I hate youtube for this... (fellow metalheads/TRUE rockers, you know what im talking about)
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I seriously had no idea about this. I think how it works for me is that I basically just pay attention only to the music I care about. Just good ol' fashioned rock. Rise Against, Steve Miller Band, Rancid, etc., etc. And I guess because I only pay attention to my favorite kind of music, I have no idea what the other side of the fence is like or what they think about. And to tell the truth I don't really give a shit. So long as we all keep good music alive, I think it'll be fine. So you know, everyone support your favorite artists and stuff.
I'd like to take the high road here and say every type of music has it's own merits and is art in it's own right. Sadly I'm an elitist bastard. The majority of the screamo music I've heard tends to be much more "screamo" than "music" and I have a REALLY hard time trying to respect it as a genre or even categorizing it under music.
While I'm at it: I hate pop music, people who wear hats and the genophage was a good idea.
Now excuse me as I finish writing my will.
While I'm at it: I hate pop music, people who wear hats and the genophage was a good idea.
Now excuse me as I finish writing my will.
I agree - there should be more distinction between Metal and.... well, really loud pop music. Sad thing is, is that Metal is dying. Actually, wait, I don't listen to Metal and have no desire to, so I'm not sad that it is dying.
Wait, why am I here again? I don't even listen to much music these days.
Sorry, I think I'm in the wrong place. I'll show myself out.
Good bye.
Wait, why am I here again? I don't even listen to much music these days.
Sorry, I think I'm in the wrong place. I'll show myself out.
Good bye.
personally, i hate youtube because it seems to be dominated by prejudice assholes. seriously dude, dont get so worked up. ive always loved punk and some people still associate it with emo. and i take issue with the fact that your title makes it seem like anyone who isnt pissed off, isnt really a rocker.
Holy shit, dude. Calm down. Don't get so caught up in the subgenres, it just causes metal fans to fight against each other. And that's not what we want. Besides, Youtube is not the place to find true rockers and metalheads. If that were the case, we'd all be talking about Justin Beiber instead of listening to music.
First: just because the singer screams doesn't mean the music takes no talent to play. I'm citing Children of Bodom here, because Alexi Laiho is one of the best guitarists playing today.
Second: by starting this thread, you're just as bad as any of the people you're complaining about. By putting metal on this pedestal of "only the classics that aren't emo or screamo" you're making yourself just as ignorant.
Third: Metal and rock are quite different, but rock is actually just as accessible to pop fans as it is to metal fans. Look at bands like Nickelback and Daughtry, or even harder ones like Billy Talent and Alexisonfire, showing up on MuchMusic shows. There's not that big of a gap. Emo tends to be more rock-ish with Fallout Boy and MCR, but can get more metal-y with bands like Black Veil Brides. There's really no need for all this emphasis on the subgenres. Most people don't care, or would even know, the difference between grindcore and death metal.
Seriously, stop getting so worked up. Listen to what you like, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. You seem to hate on their music taste just as much as they hate on yours, so where's the benefit?
First: just because the singer screams doesn't mean the music takes no talent to play. I'm citing Children of Bodom here, because Alexi Laiho is one of the best guitarists playing today.
Second: by starting this thread, you're just as bad as any of the people you're complaining about. By putting metal on this pedestal of "only the classics that aren't emo or screamo" you're making yourself just as ignorant.
Third: Metal and rock are quite different, but rock is actually just as accessible to pop fans as it is to metal fans. Look at bands like Nickelback and Daughtry, or even harder ones like Billy Talent and Alexisonfire, showing up on MuchMusic shows. There's not that big of a gap. Emo tends to be more rock-ish with Fallout Boy and MCR, but can get more metal-y with bands like Black Veil Brides. There's really no need for all this emphasis on the subgenres. Most people don't care, or would even know, the difference between grindcore and death metal.
Seriously, stop getting so worked up. Listen to what you like, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. You seem to hate on their music taste just as much as they hate on yours, so where's the benefit?
It does annoy me when I hear people say, "I hate that mosher music, you know the 'grr, rawwrr, garhhh! I hate that MCR/Greenday/Band of your choice, it's all screaming!"
There's no point getting angry over it, people are always going to be ignorant and that won't change.
It does also annoy me when people say the music they don't like is "shitty." Especially the current pop that's in the charts. Someone must like it, so it can't be that bad.
My fella and I argue about it quite a bit, he's quite small minded when it comes to music.
There's no point getting angry over it, people are always going to be ignorant and that won't change.
It does also annoy me when people say the music they don't like is "shitty." Especially the current pop that's in the charts. Someone must like it, so it can't be that bad.
My fella and I argue about it quite a bit, he's quite small minded when it comes to music.
Big thing here: You just did exactly what annoys the OP. Screamo and Metal are two completely different genres, not subgenres from the same group. Screamo refers to a specific subgenre of hardcore punk, Metal is a genre on its own, which itself has quite a number of subgenres -- none of which can be called screamo. Also, Nickelback and Daughtry are most definitely not metal. Nickelback is pop rock, and if I'm not mistaken, Daughtry is some form of country or another. I hadn't heard of Billy Talent before this, but after listening to a couple of songs, I would barely classify them as Hard Rock, and they're certainly not metal. Most of the stuff I heard sounds more like some form of alt rock to me. As for Alexis On Fire, again, not metal. maybe metalcore, but that's another a branch of hardcore, not metal.Sporky111 said:
I don't really know emo, so I can't entirely comment on whether or not Fallout Boy or MCR actually classify as emo, but I've heard a few of Fallout Boy's songs, and I'm tempted to put them in the pop punk category. Considering that emo is a form of punk, and they are definitely a popular radio group, that label may stick regardless. Black Veil Brides I had never heard of, but again, a quick listen puts them firmly in the metalcore category. I actually like what I heard, they're pretty good for metalcore, but still not really metal. Overall, I'm pretty dissapointed with your genre knowledge -- I would expect more out of an Opeth fan. You might want to learn the overarching genres before you tell other people to hold off on subgenre classifications.
Edit: Boy am I tired, Children of Bodom, not Opeth. I would still expect a better genre knowledge than you displayed in that post.
I reached my 33rd birthday last week and realised that there are 2 types of music. That you like and that you don't! It's simple everything else is just bullshit until something occurs which pushes one type into the first column.
So chill out people, we have the chance to all be friends regardless!
So chill out people, we have the chance to all be friends regardless!
Fair enough on that point. I don't personally care enough for rap to dig into the really good stuff, but the local NPR station occasionally plays some really good rap, the kind of stuff that would only get airplay on an NPR station. So yeah, I do know it's more than "gangsta's, bitches and bling" as you put it, even if the stereotypical metal head does believe that, and even if it's not really my genre. Of course, what I'm complaining about would be more like someone hearing a Ke$ha song, and then writing off actual rap because her stuff uses some of the same techniques as real rap. Either way it's annoying, but in my case, instead of writing it off because of the percentage of the genre that is guaranteed to be crap, they write it off because of that percentage in an overall very different, but superficially somewhat similar genre.wordsmith said:
Actually, while you were picking through my post you proved my point fairly nicely: fussing over genres and subgenres causes fans to turn on each other.Owyn_Merrilin said:
I really don't care about genres and subgenres, because honestly they aren't all that important. Especially when bands can have different genres between albums and even between songs. What's the point in making a big deal out of it? Everyone is making their own thing these days, and since a lot of bands are calling themselves a mix of genres (or adding 'core' to the end of something to indicate a punk influence) there isn't any point.
Yes, I know that screamo is derived from hardcore punk. BUT, most people that say "metal is just screamo" don't. They're not saying the genres are the same, they're just using screamo as an adjective to describe the style of vocals (which I'm guilty of doing as well, I admit).
And another thing: emo is less of a genre of music, and more of an umbrella term encompassing the style of dress and subject matter of the songs those bands produce. Bands like MCR and Black Veil Brides may not sound anything like each other, but the themes of their music and the way they choose to dress associate them with emos.
[small]And I'm not an Opeth fan, I don't know where you picked the out from. And I don't know how that would automatically hold me to a higher standard for arbitrary-genre-subgenre-knowledge.[/small]
Eh, you're taking YouTube far too seriously. You're generalizing. You seem to be surprised that this kinda stuff happens.
I personally don't care. I enjoy my metal and rock, and if someone else claims to, or thinks a certain band is within those genres when really it isn't, I also don't care.
Oh, and I like Lady GaGa.
I personally don't care. I enjoy my metal and rock, and if someone else claims to, or thinks a certain band is within those genres when really it isn't, I also don't care.
Oh, and I like Lady GaGa.