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Zeel said:
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TD_Knight said:
I agree with you.

Though I'm thinking this topic is gonna get derailed with RAEG sometime soon.
As it should be. Anytopic defending Bioware/EA games in its shenanigans deserves nothing less.
You really are an angry little man, aren't you? I assume you do this with all popular titles that come out? Or are you just still really upset that Dragon Age 2 wasn't a perfect paragon of gaming like you thought it would be, and taking it out on any and all Bioware games being released?
All trailers action related, show nothing about story or narrative.
I have seen people throw hissy fits in this very forum for people posting the returning cast members.

There is literally nothing of the story they could put out that would make people not whine about it.

Also, even though the trailers have been mostly about combat, there have been lots of story related data shown in those.

Firstly Cerberus being the bad guys, which people bitched about.
Then Mording coming back to the game and the reveal of a fertile Krogan female, which people bitched about

The Return of Ashely/Kaiden into the crew, which people bitched about.

there is literally nothing of story plot points that can be revealed that people will not ***** about.
 

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Zeel said:
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I highly doubt its really taking away from the single player experience to be honest, first off, different studios doing it. Second, we don't know how it will play because we haven't had the chance to play it yet, so I wouldn't talk out of my ass claiming it's great or it's terrible until it releases.
Why do you 'highly' doubt that? You realize a company doesn't just slap money? They adjust the budget, the resources and time spent could've been used on the single player experience but instead we get this piss poor unnecessary multiplayer experience by the same tools inside the company. It doesn't matter if it's a 'different' studio its the same company building the game.

Let's see, the add-ons being removed from the game: Multiplayer Characters, Multiplayer Weapons and Multiplayer Power-ups (Action figures). Weapon and Armor (Free Demo playthrough). Extra Character and Mission (Collector's Edition). Collector Rifle (Art Book). 3 Weapons, 1 Armor (Pre-Order Bonuses)
Well already half of the DLC is rendered null to you, since you will probably avoid the multiplayer anyways. So we are left with 1 weapon thus far that you actually have to purchase, the rest of those are standard for any collector's edition to be honest, and pre-ordering from stores.
A character and mission for a game is not "standard" of collectors edition. The artbook sure, the sweater sure, even the box sure. The ingame content is something that HASNT BEEN DONE. This is bullocks.


I have yet to come across a problem when it comes to Origin, my computer still runs fast, and I have had no spy-ware attacks to be honest. As for the information that they gather, why wouldn't I let them know what games I have installed, or what specs my computer runs at? Steam does the same thing and we don't cry about them doing that. Also I have nothing to hide, especially since I don't pirate games.
Good for you. If you don't care that some company is mining your information to sell to third parties than thats your deal. I do care. I don't want my information sold, if they want it, they gotta pay for it. There is no god damn reason why a retail copy needs to instal a DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION SOFTWARE!!! Especially if it's buggy as holy hell.
So allowing choices on how people might want to play is now a problem?
Yes, when the choices are stupid it's a problem. When one of the modes are "ignore all rpg aspects of this RPG game and play it like an action game" Doesn't that send of alarm bells in your head? Aren't you worried about what else they might've compromised to ship this as an "action" game? Or are you that willingly optimistic?
Some people might want to see the mindset of Shepard that Bioware has in mind for their Action mode, but all you have to do is ignore that and just go to RPG mode, problem solved, nothing more to it.
The modes are just an example of how much Bioware has compromised their game. If it was just a playmode than fine, but do you honestly think nothing else has been compromised? When companies are trying to sell the game as an action game aswell, you don't think they changed other things too?

Also big deal with Jessica Chobot, a minor character that you can ignore on the ship isn't going to slaughter your experience.
It's the fact that they are trying to appeal to fanboys that sets me off. Again, another example of Bioware comprosing the game for 'mass appeal'. You keep coming here and going "it's just a minor thing! What the big deal?" Well all these 'minor' things together make it a big deal sir.

Why is it suddenly a crime to hire a somewhat popular person to their voice actors? (To be honest, I never heard of Chobot, so I probably don't see what others do about her)
Cause she has no voice acting experience at fucking all?

And for combat, Mass Effect has always been a cover-based shooter, the first one, the controls were so clunky you just couldn't tell.
This line was funny. "YEAH ITS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT BUT IN THE FIRST ONE---YEAH!!"

The second one improved on combat greatly. (Reason it ranks a bit higher than the first one for me) I don't see why you are complaining about improving on something that has room for improvement.
I like the combat but it removed almost all of the rpg aspects. Which is kind of stupid in an RPG game.
Remember back when Mass Effect 2 released their awesome trailers? All of their fans loved those things, but they also complained about how too much of the story was being revealed in those trailers. Thus, Bioware is taking a different approach by trying to keep the story underwraps. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Either way, someone is going to make angry posts about it.
Bullocks. Look up Mass effect 1 commercial. THat's a story related trailer that doesn't have spoilers. Are you telling me a big budgeted marketing team over at Bioware can't produce Story related trailers that only HINT about whats to come? Don't be stupid.

Why not wait until the game is released before judging the game? I mean you are taking a bunch of trailers and identifying the whole game as one big Gears of War/Jersey Shore meltdown.
Why should I? You and half the other dimwits on this topic haven't waited until release to judge it. Hell, some of you have preorder the freaking game. I am just as capable of reviewing all the information I see and coming to a conclusion.
You seem to have a lot of very vocal concerns over the game, are you going to buy it day one, wait for reviews, or boycott it?
 

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Steampunk Viking said:
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You sir are cool enough to be allowed into my Mass Effect 3 club. Welcome brother.

We mostly sit around, eating biscuits and waiting for the 6th (or 9th if you're unlucky like me) of March to come...
Can I get in on that? I have the N7 t-shirt and hoodie and the 6" replica of the Normandy SR-2 (Alliance colours) too. I reckon a nice Bioware hoodie would help me relax with the biscuits. :)
Sure, why not - more the merrier! We can be eating biscuits and discussing our favourite Mass Effect theories away from all the haters. Good times.
N7 T-shirt here as well. Can I roll with you happy folk? I'd like a happy getaway from the hate. Gonna love this game hardcore because SPACE and SHEPARD and CALIBRATIONS.

I realized in between Mass Effect 2 and 3 that I fucking adore me a good space game. I got into space sims and such, even. They all feel oddly interconnected because space is infinite and can accommodate many different game universes at once. Like one big game series or something.
 

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Wow, i wish i hadn't read that. Fanboys to this extent just depress me. Its unnatural.
Honestly i think half of you fanboys are paid publicity. Its become common behaviour lately to see publishers spend almost as much on advertising as they do on the actual game.

As a side note i have no idea why you even like mass effect 2. What is there to it? a load of emo cut scenes, some crappy action with never more than 4 enemies at a time. Honestly i thought that gathering your team was just an elongated intro, so disinterested was i in their pathetic stories i assumed there would be more but there wasn't, it just ended.
 

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RJ 17 said:
and after that, I kindly asked the game to please remove its boot from my rectum. :3
you just made me spit a perfectly good Margarita at my laptop.... totally worth it!

OT yes looking forward to it, game pre-ordered, Garrus figure and art book ordered, and husband warned that he will not see me between the 9th and 12th of March!

(and I ignore the Nay Sayers)

Steampunk Viking said:
You sir are cool enough to be allowed into my Mass Effect 3 club. Welcome brother.

We mostly sit around, eating biscuits and waiting for the 6th (or 9th if you're unlucky like me) of March to come...
Can I join?....

(yep I'm that big a geek!)
 

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I agree. Can't wait for the game. However, you can't really blame people for hating on the game. Pretty much all the promotional content surrounding it has been promoting the "shooter" aspects of it, and the story seems pretty much non-existent. I'm sure it won't turn out that way, but right now its just "You are Badass, Robots are bad, Kill them."
They can't exactly show off much of the story though without people screaming "SPOILERS!!!11!!!" and so on at them so they're promoting what they can - the combat.
Ok I know this is supposed to be an 100% Mass Effect 3 friendly forum but since I haven't spoken up about ME3 yet this seems as good a place as any to do it.

The problem is all we have been shown is combat, yes, but that would be fine if the combat was good which is really isn't. Its a cover based shooter, you pop out of cover then you shoot things until you are forced back into cover again and repeat.

Battles are a stalling tactic to pan out the games length without the player truly enjoying it, how could they? Its as boring as performing a job yet what you are working for are cutscenes. And how does one fight city sized metal godlike machines capable of devastating civilizations using cover based combat anyway? Judging from the trailer the answer is so stupid I don't want to find out. After discovering that Reapers use organics as henchmen to build terminator last time my mind is ill equipped to deal with the levels of stupid the ME story is capable of reaching so I don't feel I need to find out how the story of my character ends, lets assume he topped himself after seeing too many brown chest high wall littered collector bases.
 

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I do want ME3. But I'm never going to get it. Ever. I do not give a flying fuck that the game will probably be as amazing as I imagine it to be(jizz-in-my-pants amazing), I do not agree to all the bullshit surrounding the game.

I pre-ordered The Witcher 2 because CD Projekt went out of their way to get peoples support. THAT is something I can appreciate.
 

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Zeel said:
Oh here we go. I'm not sure if you're like only childs' or something but another possibility could be that
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:p Yeah, I called that guy for being a troll immediately and sure enough he vanished off the thread. Were I more of a dick I'd report him because, combined with your description of a similar encounter with him, he is nothing but a troll and that's against the rules here.

But as long as he's easily chased away, I don't mind, so screw him. :p
is that what happened? here I thought you had no coherent argument and thus deserved no response.

Your friends are just jealous that they can't string together a decent argument. I am ready and able to argue any one of you. Please put away the troll card, it's not becoming.
Oh! Welcome back, my friend! I'd rather not put away the troll card because you are quite obviously a troll.

As a famous Monty Python sketch points out: what you do is not arguing, it's just contradiction. An argument is indeed a string of coherent thoughts meant to establish a definite position, such as my OP. What you are doing, kind sir, is simply contradiction, the automatic nae-saying of all the points in my post while simply disregarding the reasoning.
 

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Mr Companion said:
Shadows Risen said:
woodaba said:
I agree. Can't wait for the game. However, you can't really blame people for hating on the game. Pretty much all the promotional content surrounding it has been promoting the "shooter" aspects of it, and the story seems pretty much non-existent. I'm sure it won't turn out that way, but right now its just "You are Badass, Robots are bad, Kill them."
They can't exactly show off much of the story though without people screaming "SPOILERS!!!11!!!" and so on at them so they're promoting what they can - the combat.
The problem is all we have been shown is combat, yes, but that would be fine if the combat was good which is really isn't. Its a cover based shooter, you pop out of cover then you shoot things until you are forced back into cover again and repeat.

Battles are a stalling tactic to pan out the games length without the player truly enjoying it, how could they? Its as boring as performing a job yet what you are working for are cutscenes. And how does one fight city sized metal godlike machines capable of devastating civilizations using cover based combat anyway? Judging from the trailer the answer is so stupid I don't want to find out. After discovering that Reapers use organics as henchmen to build terminator last time my mind is ill equipped to deal with the levels of stupid the ME story is capable of reaching so I don't feel I need to find out how the story of my character ends, lets assume he topped himself after seeing too many brown chest high wall littered collector bases.
I want to point out, that these issues, could be leveled at turn based RPGs.

Just throwing that out there.
 

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I concur with them, for the most part. I don't like some of what I've heard, but I intend on avoiding as many spoilers as possible and giving them a legitimate chance. I also don't plan on using the multiplayer function until after I've beaten the game for the first time. I don't want it to interfere with my "Commander Toombs Shepard" playthrough.
 

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I'm with you 100%

Too bad I have to wait more then a month after it comes out to actually play it :(
 

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Yes, I too am excited for Mass Effect 3. Excited to fight the Reapers, unite the galaxy and romance Ashley. To fight in the trenches alongside Wrex, to lead my team to the final assault. To laugh and relive old memories with Joker, all of it.
I can say that while some of the story is ridiculous (EDI)I can also say that elemeents of the leaked script made me laugh, cry and cheer. I'm excited for the game and I'm really looking forward to playing it.

Don't get me wrong, things Bioware are doing of late do annoy me, for example I really can't think of any reason for Chobot to be in the game other then as a gimmick and the sexualization of female characters does bother me, I also think a lot of the complaints are overblown. The whole 'action figures that come with DLC' thing being a ridiculously stupid complaint as people rushed to conclusions rather then actually reading what was written. Plus I'm ready to give multiplayer a chance, if only to play as a Krogan.

What I'm saying is, it has been a long and sometimes painful and bumpy road but it's almost at an end. It might anger me in certain points but there's still enough good that I'm going to damn well like it.
 

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A fucking men, brother.

I can't wait for the demo. I'm looking forward to checking out the multiplayer. I mean, I hate multiplayer normally, but I'm curious to see how it is.

If it sucks, then I'll do sidequests for my victory points (or whatever they're called). If it's fun... then I will have my first multiplayer game. ^^

Also - I apparently missed that the action figures and artbooks had DLC. I like artbooks - as you say, I'd buy an artbook just to have an artbook. I might have to check that out. ^^
 

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Zeel said:
Well I'll be damned, you DO know how to put together an argument. A flawed one based on misreading what I wrote, but an argument none the less! Alright, first point, you being an "automatic nae-sayer"

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Day-one DLC's: there are a plethora of them. Crap load of shitty addons being removed from the game and sold for extra money

Origins mandatory: even for retail purchases. a buggy, spyware ridden software being forced on costumers. Funny enough pirates wont have to deal with it. Shows you who EA games really cares about

Silly design decisions like playmodes, adding jessica chobot and gears of war-rip off combat

All trailers action related, show nothing about story or narrative.


Do not tell me my complaints aren't justified. Any sane person can see they are.
Quite literally all you do here is take everything from my OP (except the Origin comment which I didn't bring up) and say that's why the game is going to be absolute shit. For this to be an argument you'd have to offer evidence as to why these things make the game absolute shit before you've even played it, which is what the entire point of my OP was: yes, there are things to complain about, but none of them are really that big of a deal. All you say in the above quote is "Nope, the game is going to suck." I explained why none of the above things are that big of a deal, it falls to you to say why such things ARE that big of a deal.

Now then, had you read my post properly, you'd see that I wasn't accusing DA2 of using overused ciches...quite the opposite, what I said implies that DA2 tried new things (i.e. focusing the story in a single city around a single character with a well writen and flowing plot that I described at in brief detail on page 2, post 51 of this topic http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.342589-About-Dragon-Age-IIs-story?page=2 ) and THAT is why people raged at the story of DA2. It has tons of mechanical faults, of that I will not deny. But the story is solid, it's just a new way of telling the story and apparently it flew right over many people's heads.

And indeed, the concept of multiplayer isn't new at all. However, it IS new for the Mass Effect series. As I mentioned in a previous response in this topic, fans of the series have been inquiring about Mass Effect multiplayer since the first game. So they decided to give it a shot in this game, and suddenly everyone gets pissed off. Most fans were wanting co-op multiplayer to be incorporated into the story mode, however Bioware wanted to keep it's strong single player story, and as such met fans half way with a multiplayer function that CAN impact the single player story, but as a whole is completely optional and can be fully ignored if you so desire.
 

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Zeel said:
If Bioware wants to market their game as the supposed "CHARACTER DRIVEN NARRATIVE" then they should. However, if the game is more about bang bang boom headshot then what they are doing now makes sense.
But can't the game be both?

Admittedly, I'm not a Bioware aficionado. However, from the few games of theirs I have played it seems that the gameplay and combat are generally quite uninteresting, unchallenging and not very well balanced, but that that is counter-balanced by the story, interesting and memorable characters, and the universe/lore they create.

I don't really see the relation of how the trailers' focus on action is to the detriment of Bioware's usually pretty good storytelling.
 

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Hate the direction bioware is taking and I HATE EA.. I will not install origin period. I am excited for the end of ME3 and will buy it on xbox 360. It will probably be my last bioware game bought new.