If someone is a post-op transsexual, are they obligated to tell the person they are pursuing/dating?

[Helmholtz Watson]

Nope, they shouldn't tell you unless you ask. Despite your apparent entitlement, no one owes it to you to tell you. Numbers don't matter. Majority shouldn't be catered to. If you don't like it? Tough, do things for yourself and ask instead of being so self-entitled and expecting people to cater to you.

I'm not asking anything unreasonable, I'm just asking to be able to make a choice on whether I have sex with a transsexual or not. Also look at what The Gnome King had to say

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Nope, they shouldn't tell you unless you ask. Despite your apparent entitlement, no one owes it to you to tell you. Numbers don't matter. Majority shouldn't be catered to. If you don't like it? Tough, do things for yourself and ask instead of being so self-entitled and expecting people to cater to you.

I'm not asking anything unreasonable, I'm just asking to be able to make a choice on whether I have sex with a transsexual or not. Also look at what The Gnome King had to say

You want people to cater to you without doing the same in return. You're very unreasonable. Also look at what The Gnome King had to say. I think you missed the long-term bit. You may have mistaken it for 'the second you meet someone in a bar'. Easy mistake for you I'm sure.

edit post: wrong thread.

Again with the personal attacks.

 

[GigaHz]

Okay, so you're just pulling things out of your ass. Prove it, don't say ignorant bullshit about 'common assumptions'. You have no evidence? Claim easily dismissed. You being pretty sure isn't evidence, your personal feelings are not evidence.

I also don't care how hard it is for you to prove. If you go and make ridiculous claims it simply isn't my concern if it's hard to prove. If I claim that all the Republican candidates are shapeshifting, mind-reading aliens with a secret agenda then I don't expect people to tell me how to prove my ridiculous claims.'

'Common knowledge' is a pathetic cop out that people use to support ridiculous claims. Any decent psychology is not based on such shitty evidence.

And lol, selfish desire? Well you're the one who selfishly refuses to tell everyone up front because "What would people think if I asked them that?!" 100% about you and your ability to get a date.

I'm willing to bet that even if I made an in-depth documentary with first-person accounts of traumatic experiences of people who have been deceived by transexuals, you'd dismiss it due to "Lack of credible evidence" or some bullshit. Obviously I'm not going to have firsthand evidence for hypothetical scenarios. The whole notion that I could is beyond insanity.

I even tried to construct a similar situation using a different topic. It could have been about sharing candy and you would have dismissed it. The subject and its harm WASN'T the focus, it was the person's decision making and the overall thought process.

I'm jumping through hoops to try to explain my reasoning, all you're doing is pissing all over it. If you put the same amount of effort into explaining why your reasoning makes sense, I might even consider siding with it.

You do not simply "Walk it off" after sleeping with a gender you don't want to.

I concur. I'm a bisexual man who has willingly had sex with men and women; but I would feel deceived and angry if I found out a person was a post-op transsexual during a sexual encounter instead of BEFORE the act.

I am an activist for LGBT people and work with transsexuals; most transsexuals I know wouldn't conceive of lying to a partner about their status when things start to "get serious" - they tell people up front because they want to avoid problems down the road. *Most* people care what gender a person is before they sleep with him or her, period. If a person had both sets of genitalia I'd want to know that too before I slept with them and it just kinda "came up" in bed, you know?

This seems like such a ridiculous question. Ask most transsexual men or women how they feel and they will flat out say while it's uncomfortable to talk about sometimes, in long-term relationships (or even one-night stands if you want to avoid REALLY uncomfortable encounters) - it's best to be honest. Even with the best cosmetic surgery, hormone treatment, etc., it's not exactly very difficult to tell if somebody has had gender reassignment surgery when exposed to the "light of day" so to speak, and since most of us with partners get to know one another's genital rather... um, intimately - I'd say being up front about things just makes sense.

Again I mean, there's no "legal obligation" here to tell somebody you're a MTF transsexual but on God's Green Earth why wouldn't you want to disclose this information before it becomes an issue?

Thank you for this response. You summed this up better than I ever could.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Nope, they shouldn't tell you unless you ask. Despite your apparent entitlement, no one owes it to you to tell you. Numbers don't matter. Majority shouldn't be catered to. If you don't like it? Tough, do things for yourself and ask instead of being so self-entitled and expecting people to cater to you.

I'm not asking anything unreasonable, I'm just asking to be able to make a choice on whether I have sex with a transsexual or not. Also look at what The Gnome King had to say

You want people to cater to you without doing the same in return. You're very unreasonable. Also look at what The Gnome King had to say. I think you missed the long-term bit. You may have mistaken it for 'the second you meet someone in a bar'. Easy mistake for you I'm sure.

edit post: wrong thread.

Again with the personal attacks.

Again with the replies that say nothing of value. And I'm free to call you unreasonable all I like and be sarcastic when you ignore the blindingly obvious when citing someone else's posts.

I stated that if I knew a person was a mtf I would tell them I don't want anything from them, in return I'm asking that they tell me they are a mtf if I don't indicate that I am aware of there situation.

 

[GigaHz]

No, I wouldn't. I would, however, point out that I said people without some kind of issue beforehand. I'm willing to bet that given your reasoning so far you'd forget important things like that. Or ignore that it would not prove things for the population in general.

And I'm saying your hypothetical scenario is worthless. It's pure conjecture. If you have nothing to support it, then it's a fantasy.

You're fucking ridiculous. YOU didn't make it about harm. The problem was that you're dishonestly ignoring that MY answer to the hypothetical WAS based on harm. If my answer is based on something else then your hypothetical scenario is going to fail because it won't parallel it accurately. YOU didn't want to focus on harm, so taking my harm based answer and trying to draw parallels was fucking stupid. Don't blame me, blame yourself for trying to shoehorn in a parallel when my answer made it clear I wouldn't agree that one existed.

Maybe I just disagree with your god damn reasoning? Explaining it will not magically make people agree with you.

I was trying to bring up "harm" as a legitimate point in a psychological sense, which you shot down. That's fine. I still made an attempt to bring it up. So, that kills the parallels for you. It does not however, kill the parallels for me.

What remains is the moral issue. If that changes your original answer from "Yes" to "No" then yes, my scenario has failed. You can't blame me for trying though.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

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It isn't unreasonable for me to not want to have sex with a transexual

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

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Transsexuals should not be shot and killed because you don't like them.


That's how you play the game right? Snip what people say and then reply to something they never said? Or was that you just being, unsurprisingly, deliberately dishonest?

You brought up "my interest" so I responded to that comment with what my "interest" were.

 

[GigaHz]

Well unsurprisingly I don't care if it doesn't kill the parallels for you. I agree or disagree based on how I view it.

There is no moral issue without harm.

I don't expect you to care or agree. You have made up your mind and I have made up mine.

I respect at the very least that you didn't back down. Let's agree to disagree?

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

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Transsexuals should not be shot and killed because you don't like them.


That's how you play the game right? Snip what people say and then reply to something they never said? Or was that you just being, unsurprisingly, deliberately dishonest?

You brought up "my interest" so I responded to that comment with what my "interest" were.

Oh, so you were being deliberately dishonest since I said nothing about those interests and was simply saying that it served your goals. What a petty little diversion that didn't address the fact that both parts were for YOUR benefit.

Sure, I guess... its for my "benefit" that I am able to choose whether or not I'm with a transsexual when I go out to bars.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Well I wonder why you said "In return" when you were explicitly making it all one sided where they have to talk for your sake instead of the other way around or at least having you explicitly tell them what you want. Probably to keep up the illusion your whole argument isn't just self-serving.

your looking into too much the choice of words I use. Just poor phrasing on my part.

-_- ....yeah it's really self serving of me to want to be able to choose whether or not I'm with a transsexual.