If someone is a post-op transsexual, are they obligated to tell the person they are pursuing/dating?

[Helmholtz Watson]

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You can claim they're not women but they are. Your bigotry doesn't actually dictate what they are. Gender identity does.

So we can agree that it is a secret that transsexuals are keeping? Ok, good!

Nope, not a secret. What is with trying to say I agree with you when I clearly don't? Sounds like a clear attempt at... something.[/quote] But they are not the same thing as a person born female, their different.

A attempt to see if you can realize that your wrong, give up, and agree with me.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

You can claim they're not women but they are. Your bigotry doesn't actually dictate what they are. Gender identity does.

So we can agree that it is a secret that transsexuals are keeping? Ok, good!

Nope, not a secret. What is with trying to say I agree with you when I clearly don't? Sounds like a clear attempt at... something.

But they are not the same thing as a person born female, their different.

Sure, they're not cisgender women. Which isn't in debate. But they are women. Don't need to be born female. Don't like it? Too bad.

A attempt to see if you can realize that your wrong, give up, and agree with me.

Well making stupid claims that I agree with you when I don't isn't a convincing argument. It's just stupid.

I don't like it, which is why I don't date/have sex with them.

aawww come on and just give up now.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

You can claim they're not women but they are. Your bigotry doesn't actually dictate what they are. Gender identity does.

So we can agree that it is a secret that transsexuals are keeping? Ok, good!

Nope, not a secret. What is with trying to say I agree with you when I clearly don't? Sounds like a clear attempt at... something.

But they are not the same thing as a person born female, their different.

Sure, they're not cisgender women. Which isn't in debate. But they are women. Don't need to be born female. Don't like it? Too bad.

A attempt to see if you can realize that your wrong, give up, and agree with me.

Well making stupid claims that I agree with you when I don't isn't a convincing argument. It's just stupid.

I don't like it, which is why I don't date/have sex with them.

But you're too lazy to bother to tell them upfront, you just want them to cater to you and tell everyone because oh no you lack the ability to tell anyone what you think about transsexuals without insulting your date.

aawww come on and just give up now.

When I'm right? Don't be so childish. You want it to end, you can shut up. Don't ask me to stop if you want it to end. But actually... what's hilarious is that totally catches your mentality on the issue quite perfectly. You want everyone else to cater to you instead of doing shit for yourself.

Again has nothing to do with with being lazy, if I thought they were mtf, I would tell them up front that I have no interest in them.

again with the personal insults.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

You can claim they're not women but they are. Your bigotry doesn't actually dictate what they are. Gender identity does.

So we can agree that it is a secret that transsexuals are keeping? Ok, good!

Nope, not a secret. What is with trying to say I agree with you when I clearly don't? Sounds like a clear attempt at... something.

But they are not the same thing as a person born female, their different.

Sure, they're not cisgender women. Which isn't in debate. But they are women. Don't need to be born female. Don't like it? Too bad.

A attempt to see if you can realize that your wrong, give up, and agree with me.

Well making stupid claims that I agree with you when I don't isn't a convincing argument. It's just stupid.

I don't like it, which is why I don't date/have sex with them.

But you're too lazy to bother to tell them upfront, you just want them to cater to you and tell everyone because oh no you lack the ability to tell anyone what you think about transsexuals without insulting your date.

aawww come on and just give up now.

When I'm right? Don't be so childish. You want it to end, you can shut up. Don't ask me to stop if you want it to end. But actually... what's hilarious is that totally catches your mentality on the issue quite perfectly. You want everyone else to cater to you instead of doing shit for yourself.

Again has nothing to do with with being lazy, if I thought they were mtf, I would tell them up front that I have no interest in them.

again with the personal insults.

Sure it does, you won't tell them in the exact opposite situation you'd expect them to tell you.

Personal insults? Childish isn't a personal insult. It encapsulates your statement perfectly. You want me to stop replying, but won't do it yourself. Childish. Stop whining.

They are the one with the secret, they are the one that is misleading me.

I'm not asking you to stop replying, just to admit your wrong.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

I made an argument for how they are not misleading you. You failed to address it. So nope, you're still wrong on that.

LOL. Wow. That mentality. Hilarious. I won't admit I'm wrong when you clearly are. But then I don't expect much from you given what I've seen before.

You made a rather poor attempt to show how their not misleading me.

Again with the personal attacks.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

I made an argument for how they are not misleading you. You failed to address it. So nope, you're still wrong on that.

LOL. Wow. That mentality. Hilarious. I won't admit I'm wrong when you clearly are. But then I don't expect much from you given what I've seen before.

You made a rather poor attempt

And yet you failed to refute anything, never once addressing gender identity.

again with the personal attacks.

Again with lying.

What is there to address? How is that relevant to them not telling me they have gender identity issues and that they had surgery?

you keep making insults about my intelligence/mentality, which is a personal attack.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

I made an argument for how they are not misleading you. You failed to address it. So nope, you're still wrong on that.

LOL. Wow. That mentality. Hilarious. I won't admit I'm wrong when you clearly are. But then I don't expect much from you given what I've seen before.

You made a rather poor attempt

And yet you failed to refute anything, never once addressing gender identity.

again with the personal attacks.

Again with lying.

What is there to address? How is that relevant to them not telling me they have gender identity issues and that they had surgery?

you keep making insults about my intelligence/mentality, which is a personal attack.

There is nothing misleading about it. You claimed they were misleading.

I said nothing of your intelligence right there. I am free to make comments about the mentality that says I should just give up because you think you're right. Sorry, positions you put forth are free game to criticize.

If they make me think they are cis-women, they are misleading me.

your comments come off as personal attacks.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

I made an argument for how they are not misleading you. You failed to address it. So nope, you're still wrong on that.

LOL. Wow. That mentality. Hilarious. I won't admit I'm wrong when you clearly are. But then I don't expect much from you given what I've seen before.

You made a rather poor attempt

And yet you failed to refute anything, never once addressing gender identity.

again with the personal attacks.

Again with lying.

What is there to address? How is that relevant to them not telling me they have gender identity issues and that they had surgery?

you keep making insults about my intelligence/mentality, which is a personal attack.

There is nothing misleading about it. You claimed they were misleading.

I said nothing of your intelligence right there. I am free to make comments about the mentality that says I should just give up because you think you're right. Sorry, positions you put forth are free game to criticize.

If they make me think they are cis-women, they are misleading me.

They aren't making you think anything of the sort. You're jumping to conclusions on appearance. Appearance says they're either women or not, not their history as cis or trans. Your own issue, don't blame others.

your comments come off as personal attacks.

Then stop being over sensitive?

I'm "jumping to the conclusion" that they paid a surgeon for. They are misleading people when they don't tell dates that their mtf.

Then stop with the personal insults.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

I made an argument for how they are not misleading you. You failed to address it. So nope, you're still wrong on that.

LOL. Wow. That mentality. Hilarious. I won't admit I'm wrong when you clearly are. But then I don't expect much from you given what I've seen before.

You made a rather poor attempt

And yet you failed to refute anything, never once addressing gender identity.

again with the personal attacks.

Again with lying.

What is there to address? How is that relevant to them not telling me they have gender identity issues and that they had surgery?

you keep making insults about my intelligence/mentality, which is a personal attack.

There is nothing misleading about it. You claimed they were misleading.

I said nothing of your intelligence right there. I am free to make comments about the mentality that says I should just give up because you think you're right. Sorry, positions you put forth are free game to criticize.

If they make me think they are cis-women, they are misleading me.

They aren't making you think anything of the sort. You're jumping to conclusions on appearance. Appearance says they're either women or not, not their history as cis or trans. Your own issue, don't blame others.

your comments come off as personal attacks.

Then stop being over sensitive?

I'm "jumping to the conclusion" that they paid a surgeon for. They are misleading people when they don't tell dates that their mtf.

Nope, they didn't pay a surgeon to make you think things about their past. They mislead no one. You're making stupid assumptions about their motives again. Mind ever backing those up?

Then stop with the personal insults.

That aren't there? What a silly request.

they paid a surgeon to look like a cis-women, hence I jump to the conclusion that based on their appearance, they are a women.

they are there.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

I made an argument for how they are not misleading you. You failed to address it. So nope, you're still wrong on that.

LOL. Wow. That mentality. Hilarious. I won't admit I'm wrong when you clearly are. But then I don't expect much from you given what I've seen before.

You made a rather poor attempt

And yet you failed to refute anything, never once addressing gender identity.

again with the personal attacks.

Again with lying.

What is there to address? How is that relevant to them not telling me they have gender identity issues and that they had surgery?

you keep making insults about my intelligence/mentality, which is a personal attack.

There is nothing misleading about it. You claimed they were misleading.

I said nothing of your intelligence right there. I am free to make comments about the mentality that says I should just give up because you think you're right. Sorry, positions you put forth are free game to criticize.

If they make me think they are cis-women, they are misleading me.

They aren't making you think anything of the sort. You're jumping to conclusions on appearance. Appearance says they're either women or not, not their history as cis or trans. Your own issue, don't blame others.

your comments come off as personal attacks.

Then stop being over sensitive?

I'm "jumping to the conclusion" that they paid a surgeon for. They are misleading people when they don't tell dates that their mtf.

Nope, they didn't pay a surgeon to make you think things about their past. They mislead no one. You're making stupid assumptions about their motives again. Mind ever backing those up?

Then stop with the personal insults.

That aren't there? What a silly request.

they paid a surgeon to look like a cis-women, hence I jump to the conclusion that based on their appearance, they are a women.

they are there.

Nope, they pay to look like women. Not cisgender, that has nothing to do with it. And you conclude correctly they are women. However you make the stupid assumption that they must be cis. Your problem. Easy solution: Don't make that assumption if you care so much. But no, you'd prefer the lazy route.

Nope.

Not the lazy route, I go by instinct. I am mislead because they look like cis-woman.

yep, you did it in this very post.