I'm proud to be white!

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

I applaud you for this.

I'm kinda tired of being blamed for shit that I personally didn't do. When someone goes off on one of those rants I ignore them or say, "Really? Did you know at that time of my ancestors 'misdeeds', they were busy being persecuted by the Kaiser and were getting ready to flee the country? No? Piss off then." Sounds dickish but that tends to shut them up.

I love how apologetic us white people are for all of the atrocities that people have commited against black people, yet forget that America was founded on the genocide of the Native Americans.

Funny how that works eh?

 

[Radoh]

I don't know, I guess I find pride in things I control, not in stuff I can't. I mean, I have hazel eyes, should I be proud of that? I don't think so, but then again, I shouldn't be ashamed.

Genetics and luck, that's all it is, so I don't see any reason to warrant pride or shame.

He's not talking genetically. He's talking culturally. Yes, there should be cultural pride.

Alright, its a bad analogy. Culturally speaking, I had no hand in whatever went down in the past that made my culture, so whether it was good or bad, I shouldn't feel shame or pride in it. Its a history lesson, interesting and engaging as it is to know I descend from the Roman Empire and the Goths (crazy story by the way), but nothing more.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Not at all. You'll find the same hypocrisy applies to just about every minority that exists on the planet.
Also this guy makes a good point on the issue:
Skip to about 1:00. the author doesn't seem to understand the concept of moderation when it comes to intros. And also, don't comment about how he's ripping off Yahtzee, I'm well aware of that.

 

[Iorio Braga]

I've never understood the point of being proud of your phenotype. It's like being proud that the sky is blue. Neither one is something you have any control over.

I agree absolutely. Shouting out that you're proud of that always seems a bit racist, despite your race/religion, etc.

 

[Dags90]

Oh yeah. That totally makes up for it. The fuck was I thinking?

Don't forget their crappy school system that we pay for!

In the U.S. it doesn't make any sense because "white people" as a cultural group dates back only a few decades. Before that it was broken down by European country with some treated better than others.

 

[The_Healer]

Well its because we are the majority in a lot of places and therefore its easy for people to accuse us of being against the minorities. Oh well.

On a related note,
Men in general have the same problem.

Feminists are widely accepted, but anyone who puts forward male priorities is pronounced a sexist bastard.

 

[shiig]

I love how apologetic us white people are for all of the atrocities that people have commited against black people, yet forget that America was founded on the genocide of the Native Americans.

Except for the fact that Native Americans are given their own little countries on American soil, with their own law enforcement agencies, and are the only group genuinely allowed to place a casino anywhere in America. Just saying.

Oh yeah. That totally makes up for it. The fuck was I thinking?

I'm not saying it makes up for it, I'm saying that that's a part of their compensation. There's plenty more, but I mean, fortunes have been made on such things.

 

[Karma168]

I think the major problem with phrases meant to display pride in being white (White power for example) got pinched by groups like the klan. phrases that were meant to display pride in your own race became more about giving the fingers to people with a different skin tone.

The meaning of white pride has been perverted to the point that even white people think it's wrong. It's like the swastika, sure it might have been a religious symbol for centuries but 1st thing anyone thinks when they see one is 'Nazi'.

 

[crop52]

of course,
i'm sure most people on the escapist have already brought this to mind, and thought the same as you,
but you might be the first person to start a thread about it, so hats off to you,

 

[Alucard788]

I love how apologetic us white people are for all of the atrocities that people have commited against black people, yet forget that America was founded on the genocide of the Native Americans.

Except for the fact that Native Americans are given their own little countries on American soil, with their own law enforcement agencies, and are the only group genuinely allowed to place a casino anywhere in America. Just saying.

Oh yeah. That totally makes up for it. The fuck was I thinking?

What happened happened and it was horrible....but for how long do white folks have to bear the blame for it? How many generations? How long will it take?

When will we stop making movies like Avatar?

Oh but they if we had ourselves a white genocide...whoohoo! Down with the man!

Would that be ok?

 

[katsumoto03]

I love how apologetic us white people are for all of the atrocities that people have commited against black people, yet forget that America was founded on the genocide of the Native Americans.

Except for the fact that Native Americans are given their own little countries on American soil, with their own law enforcement agencies, and are the only group genuinely allowed to place a casino anywhere in America. Just saying.

Oh yeah. That totally makes up for it. The fuck was I thinking?

I'm not saying it makes up for it, I'm saying that that's a part of their compensation. There's plenty more, but I mean, fortunes have been made on such things.

The fortunes of a few doesn't even scratch the surface of the deaths of so many.

 

[DaJoW]

I wouldn't look to favourably on anyone claiming to be proud of their race, sex or nationality. Just seems like very odd things to be proud of.

 

[hebrewgod]

Right... I'll try to be brief. Being proud to be your race is stupid and inherently racist. Why? Because your race is a passive trait and pride in this trait can only be justified through racism, as you would be putting your race ahead of other people's races. The reason why other races get away with it is because they're not talking about their race, they're actually talking about their culture, they just use race as a metaphor for the shared culture.

So if someone stands up and says "I'm proud to be Indian" they're referring to their Indian culture as being a worthy one and not necessarily their brown skin. The reason people say that their proud of their race/culture is because white people have gone out of their way to make every non-white race seem worthless and less than white for a very long time, so if they don't stand up for their race no one else will. Saying "I'm proud" is a rejection of the negativity associated with not being white. This is not a problem faced by white people.

So in order to solve your problem, say that you're proud to be Danish, not proud to be white (as this is stupid). Be proud of what you've done with your life and the things you've achieved, the people you've brought joy to.

 

[kabooz18]

of course you are right in saying that there are two types of ethnic racism
negative and positive

negative racism: is the usual kind hating someone mostly based on xenophobia or cultural conflicts.

positive racism: is the kind you get when nobody really perceives negative racism as such
possibly when you get a job based on your ethnic group and your ethnic group is a minority
then most will most likely not see it as such if they don't think about it.

EDIT: If you ask me being proud for something you have not done like just say being part of an ethnic group or being born in ones mother country is racist in it self... since you essencially just think you are better than most others also there is no point in it

 

[Alucard788]

I love how apologetic us white people are for all of the atrocities that people have commited against black people, yet forget that America was founded on the genocide of the Native Americans.

Except for the fact that Native Americans are given their own little countries on American soil, with their own law enforcement agencies, and are the only group genuinely allowed to place a casino anywhere in America. Just saying.

Oh yeah. That totally makes up for it. The fuck was I thinking?

I'm not saying it makes up for it, I'm saying that that's a part of their compensation. There's plenty more, but I mean, fortunes have been made on such things.

The fortunes of a few doesn't even scratch the surface of the deaths of so many.

So what do you want? Should we all up and leave North America?

Have ourselves a white genocide?

What...what do you want to happen..what would make it right?

(and yes I know this is my first 2 posts but I just had to reply to this thread...this kind of attitude infuriates me...it's a blame with no solutions...no answers...just blame blame blame...forever)

 

[Woodsey]

There's no reason to say "I'm proud to be white" beyond making threads like this, so that other people can then play the poor white man card. The whole reason people say "I'm proud to be black" or "I'm proud to be gay" is to encourage others that the racism and homophobia they encounter doesn't mean there's anything wrong with who they are.

Very few white people need that, especially Americans and Brits.

 

[Break]

If an African-American stands up in a crowded room, full of strangers, with a fist in the air and says "I'm black, and I'm proud", white people will nod their heads and clap their hands politely, like he/she is saying the most inspiring thing in the world. But if a white man does exactly the same (not that I believe any sane white man has ever done so) people will immediately think back to World War II.

In simple terms. You're not in a culture that's spent several centuries asserting that being white makes you less of a human than other people. You should look into "dominant privilege", it's highly pertinent to this discussion.

Remember, children: just because you don't see something, it doesn't mean it's not there - and it certainly doesn't mean that the people affected by it are just being silly.

 

[katsumoto03]

I love how apologetic us white people are for all of the atrocities that people have commited against black people, yet forget that America was founded on the genocide of the Native Americans.

Except for the fact that Native Americans are given their own little countries on American soil, with their own law enforcement agencies, and are the only group genuinely allowed to place a casino anywhere in America. Just saying.

Oh yeah. That totally makes up for it. The fuck was I thinking?

I'm not saying it makes up for it, I'm saying that that's a part of their compensation. There's plenty more, but I mean, fortunes have been made on such things.

The fortunes of a few doesn't even scratch the surface of the deaths of so many.

So what do you want? Should we all up and leave North America?

Have ourselves a white genocide?

What...what do you want to happen..what would make it right?

Technically, yes. We should leave North America, from a moral standpoint.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

I find being proud of my race slightly silly since...well it means nothing to me.

I'd rather be proud of who I am than my race. Yes I'm white. Yes my family came to Canada on both sides as a result of WWI. Yes, I have German blood in my veins but that doesn't mean I identify myself as a German. Where my bloodline originally comes from, I do not know. It is very likely that somewhere down the family tree there were acts that I would find deplorable were committed. The thing is... all those things are deep in the past and I've left them there.

Yes, we need to learn from the past to move forward but getting caught up in racial conflicts from a long time ago doesn't seem particularly smart to me.

So I'm proud of my families recent past. But when it comes to race, I claim no superiority or inferiority. In fact, I don't even think about it much at all. I just wish more people would do the same. I'm not denying there are problems, serious problems caused by race issues recently and those still need to be dealt with. I'm just saying that we need to stop bringing up issues from many generations ago and putting that on the table.