Right... did you know that 90% of the native americans living in America were killed by famine and small pox? Also I doubt that you're aware of this but native american reservations, where they have their own law and such, are the poorest parts of america, comparable to developing nations.shiig said:
I'm proud to be white!
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"Pride" in who you are seems to be looked down apon negatively in recent years, particularly in more liberal circles. To take an aspect of yourself that isn't universal and say you are proud to be it, seems to show the world you think you are "better" than others because of that aspect which is simply not true.
As you say though, it only really seems to apply to straight caucasians. That could be because of our past, lets face it we haven't been the most accepting of folks. At one point, not all that long ago, it was generally believed that to be white and straight was the best way to be and as a result we're seeing a backlash now where to feel pride in who we are means we should feel guilty.
I can see the later replies to this thread already stating "taking pride in skin colour, your country of birth etc is retarded and hopefully we as a species will move past this". Then in another thread they will actively support a gay pride march or black history month. Neither of those things I have a problem with by the way, as long as the ability to rise up and say "this is who I am" is universal. Otherwise, events which promote "minorities" in the western world do nothing but create divisions between themselves and the majority whom they desire to be equal with.
Pride is something to be celebrated, it's something we as humans cannot escape. The problem lies in that not everyone is proud for the same reason. The Royal Wedding was the most recent example of good pride and the few occassions I have seen that have been similar made me incredibly proud to be English. Regardless of Nationality, creed, sexuality, millions of people came together to celebrate our heritage and a focal point of British culture. Even with the "why should I care it's a dead institution" people bitching in the wings, it was still a beautiful day because it allowed everyone to come together and celebrate without restricting the celebrations to a specific group.
How many Americans here will be doing nothing or don't give two shits about July 4th? Or Thanksgiving? Those are days for all Americans, wherever their origins to celebrate and no one is left out. These are surely more good examples of how people can come together and show unity the right way?
Everyone deserves the right to celebrate who they are, where they are from, without being a dick about it to those outside of that group. I think that is where alot of "pro-white" groups fail, and "pro-black", "pro-islam" and most other pro-whatevers for that matter. How about having a pride day but making it more a community thing? The focal point could be islam, black history/culture, gay pride, white pride, but get the whole community included? Everyone could learn about each other that way without a feeling of "we're different and we want to shout about it" and instead create a feeling of "yeah we're different, but we want to share and celebrate that with everyone and when you have your day we'll come along to that too, parties all round!"
Ok, I've rambled enough and probably made little sense so I'll stop.
As you say though, it only really seems to apply to straight caucasians. That could be because of our past, lets face it we haven't been the most accepting of folks. At one point, not all that long ago, it was generally believed that to be white and straight was the best way to be and as a result we're seeing a backlash now where to feel pride in who we are means we should feel guilty.
I can see the later replies to this thread already stating "taking pride in skin colour, your country of birth etc is retarded and hopefully we as a species will move past this". Then in another thread they will actively support a gay pride march or black history month. Neither of those things I have a problem with by the way, as long as the ability to rise up and say "this is who I am" is universal. Otherwise, events which promote "minorities" in the western world do nothing but create divisions between themselves and the majority whom they desire to be equal with.
Pride is something to be celebrated, it's something we as humans cannot escape. The problem lies in that not everyone is proud for the same reason. The Royal Wedding was the most recent example of good pride and the few occassions I have seen that have been similar made me incredibly proud to be English. Regardless of Nationality, creed, sexuality, millions of people came together to celebrate our heritage and a focal point of British culture. Even with the "why should I care it's a dead institution" people bitching in the wings, it was still a beautiful day because it allowed everyone to come together and celebrate without restricting the celebrations to a specific group.
How many Americans here will be doing nothing or don't give two shits about July 4th? Or Thanksgiving? Those are days for all Americans, wherever their origins to celebrate and no one is left out. These are surely more good examples of how people can come together and show unity the right way?
Everyone deserves the right to celebrate who they are, where they are from, without being a dick about it to those outside of that group. I think that is where alot of "pro-white" groups fail, and "pro-black", "pro-islam" and most other pro-whatevers for that matter. How about having a pride day but making it more a community thing? The focal point could be islam, black history/culture, gay pride, white pride, but get the whole community included? Everyone could learn about each other that way without a feeling of "we're different and we want to shout about it" and instead create a feeling of "yeah we're different, but we want to share and celebrate that with everyone and when you have your day we'll come along to that too, parties all round!"
Ok, I've rambled enough and probably made little sense so I'll stop.
Pretty much, yeah. I was once at a concert and an arabic guy started asking me what drugs I was selling. I don't sell or even do drugs and informed him of that fact. He harassed me a little longer about selling to him and when I told him to leave me alone, he seriously said:"So you won't sell to me, because I'm not white, right? Fucking racist!" I hadn't so much as mentioned race. It was an utterly baffling experience.Boneasse said:
However, I am still of the opinion that it makes absolutely no sense to be proud of the circumstances of your birth. You can be happy or displeased about it (ie I'm happy I was born to middle class parents in a first world country), but pride is something that needs to be earned IMO. It's the other side of the metaphorical coin you mentioned whereby the history of slavery, colonization etc by white people is not your fault.
I am white, and proud to be white as well. I believe that whites should be provided the same benefits minorities have, such as days, now people claim it's always whites day, that's not right.
OT: Reverse racism/discrimination is a REAL thing, even though it should just be called racism... actually saying reverse racism is kind of reverse racism in itself...
anyways, YES people do discriminate against whites, I have experienced it many times on my college campus.
OT: Reverse racism/discrimination is a REAL thing, even though it should just be called racism... actually saying reverse racism is kind of reverse racism in itself...
anyways, YES people do discriminate against whites, I have experienced it many times on my college campus.
I've screamed "I'm Black and Proud!" in public places before, and I'm about as white as they come.
Anyway, in all seriousness, when somebody says something along the lines of "I'm [insert whatever] and proud", all I can think of is to say, "Nobody cares. Sit the fuck down".
And as far as the argument "white people have done horrible things in the past" goes, yeah, they have. I haven't, so I don't see why I need to be apologetic about it.
Really, I don't understand being proud of your skin color. You can be proud of your culture, but should skin color really matter?
Anyway, in all seriousness, when somebody says something along the lines of "I'm [insert whatever] and proud", all I can think of is to say, "Nobody cares. Sit the fuck down".
And as far as the argument "white people have done horrible things in the past" goes, yeah, they have. I haven't, so I don't see why I need to be apologetic about it.
Really, I don't understand being proud of your skin color. You can be proud of your culture, but should skin color really matter?
This man/women/robot imitation of a human hit the nail on the head. The idea of being proud of something you had no say in is ridiculous.hebrewgod said:
You're basically saying "I'm so glad my father had sexual intercourse* with my mother, and that both the sperm and the egg contained the white gene(s)"
*Apologises if someone reading this is the result of IVF or similar procedure, the same idea can be applied.
Well I'll give you this at least your honest about it...but hey...have you left yet?katsumoto03 said:
However I'd hate to see my husband be forced out...and I'm Hispanic....so do I have to leave as well? Or is being married to him make it my fault to?
Someone give this guy a medal.Woodsey said:
I've nothing much to add to that, people really misunderstand the messages behind the whole 'pride' movement. If I was going to tell you something to be proud of though it would be who you are as an individual not your skin/gender/race/orientation/hairstyle.
I guess according to some people my lovely, kind, and generous husband is a bad man...Condor219 said:
...because he's white.
For no other reason than that.
He shouldn't have to pay for the sins of his ancestors.
This, exactly. I'm not proud of being, say, White, or being Irish, more than I am of being from Earth or for existing.Radoh said:
Likewise, I'm not proud of being Gay, but I'm proud of being out and comfortable with it. But simply being something isn't an accomplishment.
If someone stands up in a room, as the OP put it, and says "I'm black and proud" then I'm going to hear that whilst assuming that they underwent some sort of discrimination in their life which they overcame. That's why I'd clap. I would if someone said they were proud they were white too.
If I knew that they were just proud they were white because like, why not then I wouldn't even turn my head.
I call you friend. I kinda wanna ask those people if they want a pat on the back for their ethnicity or whatever they are proudly telling everyone about. It's annoying and I hope to God it ends much sooner than a few hundred years because I'm getting really tired of hearing all this proud bullshit.Abandon4093 said:
I think the great Morgan Freeman put it best:
White pride, black pride, gay pride, woman pride. All it serves is to further alienate. Things like "black" and "white" should simply be used as descriptors, like saying someone is tall, or bald. Ironically, that's the one time we're afraid to use it isn't it? Why would you be proud of being black or white? Are you proud of being tall? Or having whatever colored eyes you do? It's a ridiculous notion isn't it?
It's ironic that we're more concerned with saying "that tall black man" when describing a person than we are of coming up with something like "black pride".
White pride, black pride, gay pride, woman pride. All it serves is to further alienate. Things like "black" and "white" should simply be used as descriptors, like saying someone is tall, or bald. Ironically, that's the one time we're afraid to use it isn't it? Why would you be proud of being black or white? Are you proud of being tall? Or having whatever colored eyes you do? It's a ridiculous notion isn't it?
It's ironic that we're more concerned with saying "that tall black man" when describing a person than we are of coming up with something like "black pride".
He's got a few good points but nothing that really can't be countered with "you're using some vague generalisations"canadamus_prime said:
also on the 'the yahtzee ripping off' comment, i'd say his voice trumps the ripping off thing...because boy that was a bit on the annoying side
Addressing your title (because the title of a post is inseparable from the post itself), as George Carlin once said, "To me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth."
Why would you want to be proud of something you have absolutely know control over? Isn't that a miss-use of the word proud?
Why would you want to be proud of something you have absolutely know control over? Isn't that a miss-use of the word proud?
It's blame without end...and for anyone to this that this doesn't affect white people is being a fool. You can't keep hammering it over and over how evil 'white people' are even when there are so many kinda and good white people int he world.ZeroG131 said:
Some will respond with tears and I'm sure those who point the finger will drink them up...that doesn't make it right...and some will respond with anger and frustration which just fuels the fire.
Blame without end will not make it right....ever!
The statement is:'I'm black and I'm proud', not 'I'm proud to be black'. That's a big difference. Being proud to be a particular colour is stupid. But 'I'm black and I'm proud' is an affirmation - actually, it's a rejection of the alternative. It's recognising that historically, blackness was a symbol of being inferior, unimportant, subservient. That serious, intelligent people actually believed black people were closer in intelligence to apes than to whites. It's a reminder that there are still people today who think that way.
'I'm white and I'm proud' doesn't have that resonance because no one has historically claimed that whiteness was anything to be ashamed of. No one today thinks that either. And 'I'm proud to be white'? That's just lame.
'I'm white and I'm proud' doesn't have that resonance because no one has historically claimed that whiteness was anything to be ashamed of. No one today thinks that either. And 'I'm proud to be white'? That's just lame.