Imperials or Stormcloaks?

[Sandernista]

The stormcloaks are more justified. The imperial legion is executing people for worshipping talos! The only complaint against the stormcloaks is their racism, but that's indifference at worst and I've yet to see a stormcloak execute anyone.

Tactically though, if the stormcloaks win then not much can stop the Thalmor... But the dragonborn wont let them have skyrim without a fight!

The Legion never executed people for worshiping talos, in fact they never even enforced the law until the uprising.

Plus the Thalmor wouldn't invade Skyrim, all they need is the White Gold Tower to fuck up existence.

They are letting the Thalmor do it anyway without restriction. Right now the Thalmor are so embeded in the empire that driving out the empire is the only way to stop them.

Edit: wait what's this about the white gold tower?

The white gold tower in the imperial city is one of the pillars that is keeping the entire universe from dissolving into nothingness. The Altmer want to erase the existence of man, and reinstate themselves as gods by tearing all of existence a new one.

 

[Ruedyn]

I just kill Thalmor. Fuck politics.

Gun to my head though, I'd say Empire, since I like to think my guy is a distant relative to Martin Septim, plus they are the good guys, despite what the openning would have you believe.

 

[Fieldy409_v1legacy]

The stormcloaks are more justified. The imperial legion is executing people for worshipping talos! The only complaint against the stormcloaks is their racism, but that's indifference at worst and I've yet to see a stormcloak execute anyone.

Tactically though, if the stormcloaks win then not much can stop the Thalmor... But the dragonborn wont let them have skyrim without a fight!

The Legion never executed people for worshiping talos, in fact they never even enforced the law until the uprising.

Plus the Thalmor wouldn't invade Skyrim, all they need is the White Gold Tower to fuck up existence.

They are letting the Thalmor do it anyway without restriction. Right now the Thalmor are so embeded in the empire that driving out the empire is the only way to stop them.

Edit: wait what's this about the white gold tower?

The white gold tower in the imperial city is one of the pillars that is keeping the entire universe from dissolving into nothingness. The Altmer want to erase the existence of man, and reinstate themselves as gods by tearing all of existence a new one.

Do the imperials know this? I gotta admit that makes me rethink my position.

 

[Sandernista]

I haven't completed the game's storyline yet, but the choice of sides came down to one thing: which group wanted to publicly execute me without a single reason or crime? Go team Stormcloaks!

You were hopping the border, no identification found with a band of traitors.

NCR-
+ Democracy, lawful territory, and normal humans 2.0
- Red tape and bureaucracy miles long, ineffective leadership

Also little to no sexism, asshat president.

Ceaser's Legion-
+ No raider problems, strong central leadership, hardy humans 2.0
- cannibalism, sexism, no chance to progress through technology

Out and out slavery, no raiders because the raiders now have a new name "legionaries".

Mr. House-
+ Prosperity, old world technology, most qualified for the job, well-off humans 2.0
- No voice for the people he rules, general apathy for those beyond his plans

Prosperity only for those who would be his 'employees'.

Ceaser's Legion was more or less a reactionary movement against the NCR that pushed humanity's future into uncertainty,

The NCR had nothing to do with the Great War, and are not related to the old world government. In fact when they were still a tiny city-state they fought and defeated the Old World Gov.

and as for the NCR, "If you want to see the fruits of democracy, look out the windows."

That line was bullshit propaganda, the old world US was an oligarchy run by the Enclave who were men and women just like House. In fact, I'm pretty sure House was one of them.

 

[Ruedyn]

I haven't completed the game's storyline yet, but the choice of sides came down to one thing: which group wanted to publicly execute me without a single reason or crime? Go team Stormcloaks!

You rode into an ambush meant for stormcloaks (same as lokir of rorikstead). If it wasn't for that blood-thirsty ***** of a captain, Hadvar would've let you walk away too. Wrong place wrong time :/.

 

[Sandernista]

The stormcloaks are more justified. The imperial legion is executing people for worshipping talos! The only complaint against the stormcloaks is their racism, but that's indifference at worst and I've yet to see a stormcloak execute anyone.

Tactically though, if the stormcloaks win then not much can stop the Thalmor... But the dragonborn wont let them have skyrim without a fight!

The Legion never executed people for worshiping talos, in fact they never even enforced the law until the uprising.

Plus the Thalmor wouldn't invade Skyrim, all they need is the White Gold Tower to fuck up existence.

They are letting the Thalmor do it anyway without restriction. Right now the Thalmor are so embeded in the empire that driving out the empire is the only way to stop them.

Edit: wait what's this about the white gold tower?

The white gold tower in the imperial city is one of the pillars that is keeping the entire universe from dissolving into nothingness. The Altmer want to erase the existence of man, and reinstate themselves as gods by tearing all of existence a new one.

Do the imperials know this? I gotta admit that makes me rethink my position.

Yes. That why that whole Mehrunes Dagon is attacking the White Gold Tower was such a bad thing back in Oblivion.

 

[Jezzascmezza]

I don't know, seeing as I haven't even gone near that whole main quest so far.
I'll probably side with the Imperials, eventually, as I always kind of thought of them as the "good guys."

 

[Ruedyn]

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Thread derailment is fun.

 

[Sandernista]

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Thread derailment is fun.

Oh darn-it I'm going all fanboy.

*Slaps himself a few times*

 

[carrot74]

Imperials. The empire lost to the Thalamor which is the only reason they banned the worship of Talos. It's not like the empire likes banning Talos; they were forced to by the treaty. The empire is trying to gather the shards of Skyrim so it can stop being so secular. The stormcloaks have dicks running their "organization"(Galmar Stone-fist), where as the empire have some genuinely good people(General Tulius). The stormcloaks are racist, fighting/hating the wrong people(like dark elves), and unstable. The empire are trying to make things work and the Stormcloaks are just screwing around.

 

[Kimarous]

I side with the Imperials. Not because I agree with everything they've done; heck, I've even considered siding with the Stormcloaks because I think the Empire deserves to collapse. That said, the Stormcloaks are NOT the right people to take Skyrim back. I firmly believe that one should "never give power to angry people," and the Stormcloaks are nothing BUT angry.

People often counter the whole "Wildhelm is a slum" point by saying "well, that's just Ulfric and he's focusing on the war." Have you looked at his supporters, though? Laila Law-Bringer could not be any more of a misnomer; she has no power in her wretched hive of a town and she's clueless to this fact. Korir, Jarl of Winterhold (as in the College of Winterhold), hates magic to the point that other Jarls ignore him because of his anti-magic ranting. Then there's Skald the Elder, a tactical Leeroy Jenkins, who has put so many troops to the Stormcloak cause that his city is practically undefended. Yyyyeah... the Stormcloaks have pretty cruddy leadership as a whole.

At least the Imperial Jarls are fairly likeable, or at least Balgruuf, Elisef, and Brunwolf (replacement Jarl of Windhelm) are. Heck, Elisef even worships Talos in secret. These people are worthy of ruling their cities, and by supporting the Imperials, I support them.

Really, what I dislike most about the Empire is the Emperor who accepted the White-Gold Concordant... and, heh, well...

 

[violent_quiche]

I have an inherent distrust of all power players and so choose to run my own show. I'm sure the Empire is as corrupt and oppressive as any governing group with as interest in staying in charge but when the Stormcloaks complain about being hard done by (sometimes justifiably), all I see is fertile ground for an ultra-nationalist movement with dubious aims. Let the dipshits fight each other over who gets to own the dunghill, just stay out of my way.

Felt the same in FO:NV as well; used the factions for as long as they were helpful and didn't go out of my way to antagonize but in the end, telling the lazy authoritarian NCR to screw themselves* was just as satisfying as slaughtering every fascist Legion jerk-off I met.

*

admittedly, having my own killbot army kinda helped with the decision.

 

[Roman Monaghan]

I'm remaining neutral. Yes the conflict does seem very gray vs gray and that's always cool, but this is a nord affair and I never play as a nord. Besides, it makes little sense from a role play perspective since your character is new to Skyrim and wouldn't really be invested in the politics going on there. I would have liked if there were more, you know, big brawls between the two factions since I think it'd be fun to be able to fight/watch in a big war scene or something like that. But yeah, me personal? Neither.

 

[Jodah]

I was gunna side with the Stormcloaks, they have the better reason for the war and they didn't try to kill me. But being a High Elf, even if I hate the Thalmore, I couldn't get past the racism of the Stormcloaks.

 

[Sandernista]

Out and out slavery, no raiders because the raiders now have a new name "legionaries".

For the third: They were raiding NCR territory only, and in more than one chat I had with Legion peeps they were tossing the Legion a thumbs up for the lack of raiders and no need for caravan guards. Slavery is a pretty big X though, even if by some miracle everyone got put into their most effective position in society by the Legion.

Yea but that required living in a society literally run by those Raiders. The legion recruited or killed the men that would have been raiding, and then enslaved or killed all of the women.

Ceaser's Legion was more or less a reactionary movement against the NCR that pushed humanity's future into uncertainty,

The NCR had nothing to do with the Great War, and are not related to the old world government. In fact when they were still a tiny city-state they fought and defeated the Old World Gov.

For the fifth: Wut? No Great War referencing there. I'm not reciting the story of Ceaser's rise to power, this post is big enough.

Op, what were you referencing? Caesars propaganda?

and as for the NCR, "If you want to see the fruits of democracy, look out the windows."

That line was bullshit propaganda, the old world US was an oligarchy run by the Enclave who were men and women just like House. In fact, I'm pretty sure House was one of them.

For the sixth: I'd be suprised if Mr. House was Enclave, but I'm sure their technology is on par with each other. Propaganda or no, the democrat of the three-way brawl was somewhere between ineffective US wannabe, and favorite target practice for my Anti-Material rifle.

RobCo, House's company, had extremely close ties with the US gov't, aka the Enclave. RobCo was the company that designed the only operating system for computers in america, and had tons of contracts with the US military.

The Democratic one was very similar to our US, extremely different from the US of the games, they were also the only ones with any real economic power. House's power was entirely dependent upon the NCR defending him from the Legion, and the Legion's only economic power was fueled by their constant war. What happens when the Legion is not at war?

The NCR has the Brahmin Barons, New Reno, the water trade, research centers, the gun runners, ect.

(Also remember who makes the Anti-Material rifle )

 

[Joby Baumann]

I found a best of both worlds approach, first, I sided with the empire, because the stormcloaks seemed like assholes, but at the same time, the thalmor were assholes,

so after defeating Ulfric, I slaughtered every thalmor member i could find

 

[MagicMouse]

Mage College isolationist is my choice. Who needs politics when you have magics?