Is enjoying 'Metroid: Other M' wrong?

[Chibz]

Which is the equivalent of saying non canon.

Also, the last part was referring to Sakamoto's decision to dismiss the Prime games.

When did it become trendy to claim that people primarily dislike something because Yahtzee does? I'm seeing it a lot more recently.

"Different timeline" does not mean noncanon. It's just a different timeline. If you find this concept insulting, you're in for a rough life.

It's not trendy to claim that people here primarily dislike something because Yahtzee claims to. There's a lot of fact behind the idea.

Besides, Metroid: Other M fits in as a Super Metroid sequel FAR better than any of the metroid prime games do.

 

[Manji187]

Haven't played it...and not planning to. I'm too fond of the Prime installments....that "non-canonical" side of the franchise *sigh*.

 

[Quaidis]

Absolutely not! And quite frankly I'm relieved to find someone else who doesn't completely hate the game. *cough cough*sheep*cough*

Sure there are a number of things about it I could complain about, and yes I will agree that Adam does come across as a douche, but none of these things are game breaking to me. Right now I'm at the infamous battle with Ridly, and yeah the "freak-out" scene is a little strangle, but not completely unjustifiable. After all I'm assuming Other M takes place prior to Fusion, and although Ridly does have an uncanny ability to return from the dead, he was blown to bits and then the PLANET his scattered corpse was on was blown to bits, so I'm pretty sure Samus didn't expect him to come back after that one.
Also for those who whine about Samus' character, with the exception of the "freak-out" scene, I don't really find her character in 'Other M' all that inconsistent with how I always imagined it. I always imagined her as a fierce, but not uncaring warrior type, which so far has been consistent, again except for the "freak-out" scene.
Also yes the whole Authorization mechanic is a royal pain, but nothing I can't live with.
I love your view of the "Hell run." When you look at it that way, it is quite funny. And the hell run itself was a particularly interesting challenge.
The only thing that still bugs me that I can't explain away is what the fuck is "Other M" supposed to mean?

So many people in the thread have talked about the 'freakout' I have yet to see. I now badly want to see this freakout cutscene.

I recently beat the ___-operated construction robot trying to kill Samus and learned about the assassin. So far I'm still enjoying the game play, even when I die multiple times at one random mini boss or another. (there are these two bastards right in the middle of the ice level that pop out of nowhere and are practically only insta-killable. The first time I came upon them one, then the other absolutely knocked my life bar senseless and down to 1 before I could start the fight. Uncool. They didn't do it the second or third time, though...)

My theory on the lava challenge was that, Adam being human and all, was probably off taking a piss or jacking off to porn on the computer or something and only noticed after he was done that Samus was in the lava stage at all. Kind of a "Man, *zip* I really shouldn't have eaten that burrito before the mission... Whoops! *clicks on intercom* btw, Samus... About that Varia suit you have..."

Then Samus is all, "It's about fucking time."

Except they had to omit this because it's a Nintendo game.


Yes, I do have a widely humorous take on certain situations. It would make a good Metroid fan-comic.


People take it too seriously. Sure the game kicks Samus in the crotch and destroys everyone's view of her character, but if you play the game without caring about the depraved story, it's still a fun game.

What I don't get is considering a good series like Prime non-canon. For some reason using 'canon' like that makes it sound like Prime was never a real Metroid series. That seems wrong, considering how good it is.

 

[Internet Kraken]

"Different timeline" does not mean noncanon. It's just a different timeline. If you find this concept insulting, you're in for a rough life.

It's not trendy to claim that people here primarily dislike something because Yahtzee claims to. There's a lot of fact behind the idea.

Besides, Metroid: Other M fits in as a Super Metroid sequel FAR better than any of the metroid prime games do.

Yeah, it basically does at least here. Again, the point you seem to be overlooking is that the Prime series was only dubbed non canon so that Other M's shitty story would make slightly more sense. That's the insulting thing about it. That Sakamoto is willing to toss aside other people's work to make his crap somewhat better (and it doesn't worky anyways so what's the point?).

And for the record, insulting the Yahtzee fanbase and implying a lot of people blindly agree with him does not make you funny, clever, witty, smart, or anything else. I don't get why you and other people are complaining about him in a topic that has nothing to do with him.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Other M is completely fine, even its story is okay as far as games go. Most people just bring up the Ridley scene and the lava section and act like Samus has now been reduced to some submissive wimp. Despite the fact that Adam actually treats her respectfully. And that she only freezes up once or twice in the entire game and the rest of the time she's beating the crap out of everything in the station. Hell, she even manages to do pretty good against one boss DESPITE BEING PINNED TO THE GROUND.

As for Yahtzee, I'll start trusting his opinions on Nintendo after he stops lying about Other M and gets rid of that metaphorical beret he wears most of the time.

 

[WiwuX]

Yes, the game is bad and you should feel bad.

Really, though, if you skip the cutscenes, I could see people not hating the game. I think that it still has bad gameplay, but I wouldn't punch you in the face for saying that you liked it (saying that you liked the story might).

Seriously, people who like that story occupy the equivalent status of holocaust deniers in my mind.

I'll also add that the only issue I had with Yahtzee's review was that he missed out on so many things wrong about the game.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Absolutely not! And quite frankly I'm relieved to find someone else who doesn't completely hate the game. *cough cough*sheep*cough*

Sure there are a number of things about it I could complain about, and yes I will agree that Adam does come across as a douche, but none of these things are game breaking to me. Right now I'm at the infamous battle with Ridly, and yeah the "freak-out" scene is a little strangle, but not completely unjustifiable. After all I'm assuming Other M takes place prior to Fusion, and although Ridly does have an uncanny ability to return from the dead, he was blown to bits and then the PLANET his scattered corpse was on was blown to bits, so I'm pretty sure Samus didn't expect him to come back after that one.
Also for those who whine about Samus' character, with the exception of the "freak-out" scene, I don't really find her character in 'Other M' all that inconsistent with how I always imagined it. I always imagined her as a fierce, but not uncaring warrior type, which so far has been consistent, again except for the "freak-out" scene.
Also yes the whole Authorization mechanic is a royal pain, but nothing I can't live with.
I love your view of the "Hell run." When you look at it that way, it is quite funny. And the hell run itself was a particularly interesting challenge.
The only thing that still bugs me that I can't explain away is what the fuck is "Other M" supposed to mean?

So many people in the thread have talked about the 'freakout' I have yet to see. I now badly want to see this freakout cutscene.

I recently beat the ___-operated construction robot trying to kill Samus and learned about the assassin. So far I'm still enjoying the game play, even when I die multiple times at one random mini boss or another. (there are these two bastards right in the middle of the ice level that pop out of nowhere and are practically only insta-killable. The first time I came upon them one, then the other absolutely knocked my life bar senseless and down to 1 before I could start the fight. Uncool. They didn't do it the second or third time, though...)

My theory on the lava challenge was that, Adam being human and all, was probably off taking a piss or jacking off to porn on the computer or something and only noticed after he was done that Samus was in the lava stage at all. Kind of a "Whoops *clicks on intercom* btw, Samus... About that Varia suit you have..."

Then Samus is all, "It's about fucking time."

Except they had to omit this because it's a Nintendo game.


Yes, I do have a widely humorous take on certain situations. It would make a good Metroid fan-comic.


People take it too seriously. Sure the game kicks Samus in the crotch and destroys everyone's view of her character, but if you play the game without caring about the depraved story, it's still a fun game.

What I don't get is considering a good series like Prime non-canon. For some reason using 'canon' like that makes it sound like Prime was never a real Metroid series. That seems wrong, considering how good it is.

You know one of the most frustrating boss fights for me, besides Ridly himself (whom I still haven't beaten yet) was that flying monster-thing that kept firin' his lazor at me (God I hate that meme). If you haven't gotten to him yet, you should very soon. He's not very long after the ally-controlled robot boss fight. And you have to fight him 3 times too.

The use of the word 'canon' is almost ubiquitous these days to the point where it's become almost meaningless. To me it should be up to the original creator of something to decide what's canon and what isn't, or in the absence of the original creator, whoever is left in creative control of the thing. It's sure as hell not up to the fans in any case.

 

[mikecoulter]

Nothing wrong with it! I almost bought a Wii to be able to play a few games and this was one of them. Granted I never actually did buy one, but it was a close one...

 

[Quaidis]

Nothing wrong with it! I almost bought a Wii to be able to play a few games and this was one of them. Granted I never actually did buy one, but it was a close one...

You should so buy a Wii. They're affordable, come with some great games, and the badness attributed them is overhyped nonsense. I recommend starting with the Metroid Prime series (comes in one game), Resident Evil 4, Zelda: Twilight Princess, and No More Heroes. It's easy to find good games if you have a head on your shoulders and a good grasp of what type of game you want. The Wii also supports GC games and you can download a shit-ton of real good older games on systems of the past.


I feel like I've said this speel before.... Earlier in this thread, in fact.... Crazy.

 

[Quaidis]

You know one of the most frustrating boss fights for me, besides Ridley himself (whom I still haven't beaten yet) was that flying monster-thing that kept firin' his laser at me (God I hate that meme). If you haven't gotten to him yet, you should very soon. He's not very long after the ally-controlled robot boss fight. And you have to fight him 3 times too.

The use of the word 'canon' is almost ubiquitous these days to the point where it's become almost meaningless. To me it should be up to the original creator of something to decide what's canon and what isn't, or in the absence of the original creator, whoever is left in creative control of the thing. It's sure as hell not up to the fans in any case.

I saved and stopped playing right after I killed the robot. At least now I'm apply prepared in the event that I may rage-quit. ]

So you're saying that 'canon' has reached the untold lameness depths of 'hardcore'? I could see that, though it's the first time I've seen the phrase typed so much in one thread over one game before.

 

[ZephrC]

As long as you skip the story I wouldn't say you're a bad person for liking the game or anything. Other people in this thread have already ripped the story apart plenty, it should suffice for me to say that I really, really don't like it, and that I'm going to leave it at that because no one wants to hear my rant, but even leaving the story aside I found the gameplay to be pretty mediocre. It was kinda fun, but it was also really shallow. I probably wouldn't ever want to go through the game a second time even if it had a good story.

The lame excuse for exploration and the almost complete lack of music were pretty awful too. All in all I really just didn't like the actual game parts much, and the story was apocalyptic rage inducing bad. So yeah. I hate it. But if you enjoy the gameplay and ignore the story, that's perfectly acceptable to me.

 

[FinalHeart95]

Nope. I liked it.

The gameplay truly shined for me. Fast-paced and, most importantly, FUN.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

You know one of the most frustrating boss fights for me, besides Ridley himself (whom I still haven't beaten yet) was that flying monster-thing that kept firin' his laser at me (God I hate that meme). If you haven't gotten to him yet, you should very soon. He's not very long after the ally-controlled robot boss fight. And you have to fight him 3 times too.

The use of the word 'canon' is almost ubiquitous these days to the point where it's become almost meaningless. To me it should be up to the original creator of something to decide what's canon and what isn't, or in the absence of the original creator, whoever is left in creative control of the thing. It's sure as hell not up to the fans in any case.

I saved and stopped playing right after I killed the robot. At least now I'm apply prepared in the event that I may rage-quit. ]

So you're saying that 'canon' has reached the untold lameness depths of 'hardcore'? I could see that, though it's the first time I've seen the phrase typed so much in one thread over one game before.

Good, sounds like you're all set.
One other complaint I have about Other M is that every time you die you have to listen to Adam scream over your communicator "Samus Respond! Respoooooooond!" Shut up Adam!!

Anyway, yeah the word canon has ceased to have any meaning for me. The first time I heard the word it was referring to Star Trek and indeed the guys at Paramount who're in charge of Star Trek do keep a very tight leash on the Star Trek canon, or so I'm given to understand. Every other franchise however is a lot more ambiguous about it, which leads to fans throwing the term around like... I can't even think of a good analogy. It's gotten to the point where the word 'canon,' to me, has become synonymous with 'I'm a spoiled little whiny *****' because the people throwing the word around usually come across as spoiled little whiny bitches who could do with the liberal application of a 2X4 or possibly a kayak paddle (or both at the same time).
I say any true fan of something would accept the good with the bad and wouldn't go writing off the parts s/he doesn't like. That doesn't mean one can't express discontent about them, although preferably that would be done in a mature and respectful manner though. Then again I suppose that's asking too much of anyone on the Internet.
...anyway I'm ranting off topic so I'll stop now.

 

[PhunkyPhazon]

There's nothing wrong with liking something you're enjoying. Doesn't matter what the popular opinion is.

 

[Pigeon_Grenade]

my Approach to Any Game is, if you enjoy it, dont worry about what Everyone Else thinks, they dont matter to you Enjoying the game.

 

[Quaidis]

You know one of the most frustrating boss fights for me, besides Ridley himself (whom I still haven't beaten yet) was that flying monster-thing that kept firin' his laser at me (God I hate that meme). If you haven't gotten to him yet, you should very soon. He's not very long after the ally-controlled robot boss fight. And you have to fight him 3 times too.

The use of the word 'canon' is almost ubiquitous these days to the point where it's become almost meaningless. To me it should be up to the original creator of something to decide what's canon and what isn't, or in the absence of the original creator, whoever is left in creative control of the thing. It's sure as hell not up to the fans in any case.

I thought the death Adam "Noooo" sound was a lot what happens in MetalGearSolid. "Snake, come in snake. Snake. SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!" It was awesome then, and I can see it fitting now. It's probably where they got it from.


I just beat Ridley. That 3 part Hercules beetle thing was very annoying. About as annoying as the horseshoe crab thing earlier on.

I kept dieing repeatedly with Ridley. About 10 deaths in was when I realized that I have a super missile. Crazy right? I mean, they give you use of that thing right before you fight that bastard, you think I would've used it up front. After I started hitting Ridley with the super missile in his invincible form, he became cheese. I was surprised at how easy it was then.

 

[Quaidis]

my Approach to Any Game is, if you enjoy it, dont worry about what Everyone Else thinks, they dont matter to you Enjoying the game.

The problem with that philosophy is that you enjoy a game that everyone hates. There is no one around to discuss the game sanely with. You have to wade through oceans of, "You played Metroid: Other M? YOU SUCK!" people to find one person who can hold a conversation with me on game play and other things I may enjoy about the game.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

I'm still missing how having a surrogate paternal relationship with someone and expressing remorse over something that died saving your life prevent you from being a galaxy saving badass. The gimmick of putting Samus in a subordinate position to the team actually intended to be there makes sense, especially since the military were the ones trying to retake control of the place. The gameplay wasn't all that bad, and (while a little linear) kept enough of the Metroid feel of moving to new places, acquiring new bits of tech and implementing them for your own betterment. The side scrolling felt better than any of the original games, and the first person was a nice change in perspective, but wasn't the primary focus of the game. Yes, it had its issues (voice acting is still terrible, no matter what was written), but it still had a very stable core.

 

[TheDooD]

It's wrong for anyone to be mad at the story, though. What the hell did you expect from TEAM NINJA?

Getting sick of seeing this. Team Ninja wasn't responsible for the story. The person who had the most to do with the story was Youshio Sakamoto, one of the original creators of the Metroid franchise. I'm not trying to protect Team Ninja, but Sakamoto is the main reason the story blew. Hell it probably would have been better if Team Ninja had written the story themselves. Sure Samus would have been shamelessly exploited even more, but I doubt they would make her into a downright pathetic character.

On-Topic: No, it's not wrong to enjoy the gameplay of Other M. You're free to like whatever you want. The problem comes when you try and force others to like it just because you did.

However, enjoying the story of Other M is wrong.

This right here.

But to me I found the story to be funny because it was so bad which pissed off my friend who was playing it. Yeah the lava part was so messed up I couldn't help but laugh when he died a few times. I was "you wish samus' "daddy" would get off his ass and let her use the Varia Suit don't ya." Overall compared to the other games Other M is pretty low on the being a classic scale. Team Ninja should have been in complete control of the story cuz I nor a few Metroid fans wouldn't mind seeing Samus in a shameless shower scene. Plus I know they would have been completely made the story much better then it currently is. Well better without dropping more (unneeded) emotional baggage than an emo 13 year girl that thinks the whole world is coming to an end when the smallest thing happens that doesnt go her way.