Is Fighting Dead

[Neosage]

I think he's one of those Gentlemen/House rules players. As I said in my previous post, he'd be laughed out of an arcade.

As said, I may be slightly bias to my years of mixed martial arts that I took.

However, at the same time whether internet or not, that is no excuse to be rude or disrespectful. Anonymity of the internet doesn't excuse you from etiquette.

Playing to win on a video game (Not real-life martial arts, classing the two as similar always brings trouble; except in the film Limitless) is not being rude or disrespectful, if you know how to fight then you will know that sometimes in order to gain the advantage you may have to execute some less then graceful moves.

Ironically I learnt this from a Kung-Fu black-belt.

 

[Dream_Sequencer]

You won't get far with that attitude, win or lose you'll be mocked. If their tactics are easily countered then take your win and walk away. Name calling or anything else won't do anything positive, especially if you critique their style and tell them it's disrespectful or they need to be held to a higher standard. Now here's a question for you; WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO TELL ME HOW TO PLAY?!

If you win and tell them that, you're an elitist who has his head up his ass. If you lose, LOLOLOLOL you lost, ditch your honor and learn to play... and I agree with both.

But I am not playing to win or lose. I judged my fights based on the fun I had with the other person. If the other person is only playing to win. There is no fun in that. There is no fun in playing with someone who is only focused on winning.

I want to have fun. Win or lose, its about the fun you had.

 

[Switchblade1080]

@Kheapathic - True, still...it would make for an entertaining player..

@Dream_Sequencer - Since you took your share of REAL LIFE Mixed Martial Arts, its a gift that will help you in your daily struggle...believe me there are better things to worry about than that of mere ingame dignity and honor...

This is what Yahtzee told everyone once, and since THIS is your mindset...you're not having fun at all, you're desperately trying to press the up and down buttons to hope for a fair fight, this is NOT the true purpose of games. Besides, the internet reeks of lulz...

 

[Neosage]

You won't get far with that attitude, win or lose you'll be mocked. If their tactics are easily countered then take your win and walk away. Name calling or anything else won't do anything positive, especially if you critique their style and tell them it's disrespectful or they need to be held to a higher standard. Now here's a question for you; WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO TELL ME HOW TO PLAY?!

If you win and tell them that, you're an elitist who has his head up his ass. If you lose, LOLOLOLOL you lost, ditch your honor and learn to play... and I agree with both.

But I am not playing to win or lose. I judged my fights based on the fun I had with the other person. If the other person is only playing to win. There is no fun in that. There is no fun in playing with someone who is only focused on winning.

I want to have fun. Win or lose, its about the fun you had.

Ah, then I'm afraid I would recommend a different genre, as fighting games can be pretty cheap. Although as someone said before Fight Night Round 3 is an amazing game which (I think) achieves what you are lamenting.

 

[Dream_Sequencer]

So if someone walks up to you and forces their thumbs into your eyes, are you going to lecture them about touching gloves or bowing before starting anything?

Edit: Gentlemen rules are for friends, the dojo and tv, survival is top priority in the real world.

But I'm not talking about that. This thread wasn't about that.

This thread was about how when the bell rings to fight, let's take for example Reptile. For a second.

The game says fight, they throw an acid ball immediatedly at me.

Now I can dodge this acid ball, maybe I jump to dodge it, but they throw a new one while I land, I can duck but they throw another one lower or maybe the one they threw catches me.

I can block it with my block. But now I'm stuck with to much distance and they can throw acid at me and chunk my health even while blocking.

Trying to get in close they hit with an acid ball and now I am on the grand as the character gets up, they throw another and another and another and another. The character can't really finish his animation of getting or even get up because the very moment they stir up acid is being thrown.

There is a difference between fighting and throwing fireballs.

Mind you this is an example, before I learned a counter.

@Neosage: But that's what I love about combos. Those slow 3 hit or 4 hit combo. As you hit the persons health down low. You're both kicking and punching, but there is that tension. That anxiety and anticipation on who is going to win. As you try to time and work out your combos. And your actually incorrect about only having 3 to 4 hit combos.

Baraka has a 10 hit combo.

And I can't remember ....it was Noob I think with 7 hits.

 

[Switchblade1080]

Then allow me to answer the Thread title's question : NO!!

A lot of real fighting going on, the Earth is FULL OF IT!!

As for fighting "games", M.U.G.E.N. is forever alive and willing to be caught by anyone wanting to play an amalgam fighting game.

 

[Dream_Sequencer]

So... where's the disrespect? If they're keeping you at a distance, it sounds like they're doing well enough and you're not happy about it.

Argue this with most any somewhat serious people and they'll tell you it's called zoning. Unless the character can negate projectiles and rush at you (Jade - UMK3), they're doing something right. Because not only are they chipping your health, they're running down the clock which will cause you to do something risky and if they're on top of it, you'll get punished. It's a legitimate tactic, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's disrespectful/dishonorable. Get off your high horse and either find people who want to share the stick up your ass or don't play.

As said a thousand times before. This isn't fun. They are doing this so that way they can win. There is no stragety in doing the same thing over and over again. There is no skill either. And to me quite frankly, the Reptile acid trick is disrespectful because its like htting an enemy behind their back. There is no honor in beating the weak. If someone cannot fight back, they are weak period.

As said a thousand times before, this isn't how I play with my friends at home. We actually fight each other. They pound out there Jade combos and I pound out my combos. Hearts racing, anticipation, as each other's health chunks down low. Good timining, finishing X ray move.

Throwing fireballs or acid balls is not fighting. It isn't the way a fighting game should be played either. Its a cheap, disrespectful tactic.

 

[Switchblade1080]

And your fighting with a couple of people who fight dirty and use loathsome tactics just to hand your ass down. You say there's no strategy in doing the same thing over and over again just because you CAN'T think of something that helps you counter it. Besides, your NOT playing a realistic fighting game to begin with. What?? Do you EXPECT people online to play like your friends??

Your in the Internet, Internet has ZERO honor..deal with it...

 

[Caliostro]

As said a thousand times before. This isn't fun.

It's obviously fun for them, or they wouldn't do it. Sounds like "people aren't having fun the way I like to have fun therefore this is obviously stupid".

I haven't played MK9, but from what I've seen, and from previous MK games, projectile spam is stupid easy to beat, more so than in previous games even. Projectiles can be jumped over, are pretty damn visible and have relatively slow recovery times. This ensures that mindlessly spamming projectiles just earns your enemy a free "dial a combo".

Sounds more like you don't know how to deal with this tactic, and therefore the tactic is stupid and "dishonorable". Because you don't know how to fight it. Yet "Zoning" people with projectiles is a crucial part of most fighting games and good players.

That said, MK has always been "baby's first Street Fighter", so it has always been much more straight forward/basic in nature than the aforementioned.

 

[Togs]

Cant say this without flaming so Ill just go ahead and say it- stereotypical scrub mentality, people will always strive for the best tactics and its upto you to learn how to counter them.


Also try Marvel vs Capcom 3 or Street Fighter, they're more built around that type of play.

 

[Vrud]

Interpreted topic title to mean "With poor English but a heart of gold, I is fighting dead! THE LIVING DEAD!"

I'm disappointed now.

 

[mParadox]

As for fighting "games", M.U.G.E.N. is forever alive and willing to be caught by anyone wanting to play an amalgam fighting game.

Excellent point. MUGEN is the best fighting game engine I've seen.

Spoiler: Has anyone played King of Fighters?

Ah. Good time...

 

[Raddra]

I just found a bunch of people spamming projectiles or choosing a character that could teleport.

Might want to check out Spoony's thoughts on this. [http://spoonyexperiment.com/2011/05/04/vlog-5-3-11-mortal-kombat/] (TL;DW he agree's)

 

[370999]

I haven't played this game but usually people pick the strategy which gives them the highest victory to loss ratio. If that means spamming one attack then of course people will do tat, if that means fighting like a coward then they will do that. That's life, and will appear in all online games. People like winning.

So OP I would reccomend you paly more against friends then online if you want to see a more risk based ifghting style.

 

[Cypher10110]

I decided to play Mortal Kombat online and had a very long bout of disappointing battles.

...a bunch of people spamming projectiles or choosing a character that could teleport...

...I'm of the mind set there is [no] honor in beating the weak. Your opponent cannot move because you keep stunning them, your opponent cannot do anything stuck in the wall. Its basically attacking them when their back is turned...

...my opponents feel I am only worth attacking me when I cannot do anything...

Have we an online society that discourages loosing? Have we created an online society that encourages only winning? That loosing is a bad thing. You can learn a lot from your wins, but you can learn even more from your mistakes as well.

Because no one wants to fight with honor. You have to respect your opponent. Even if its just a game, the opponents you face are people. And you have to treat those people with respect.

A smart fighter not only wins, but excels at winning with ease. So they are neither praised for the wisdom, nor their courage.

I feel your pain dude. But the very nature of competition means you must use everything you have available to your advantage. You've gotta know what you're capable of as much as you know what your opponent is capable of.

Teleports and ranged are another layer on the central fight. It's "cheap" because it doesn't risk anything to do. It's just another move you need to find out how to counter/avoid.

Talking about honor and video-game competition is difficult. If it's within the game mechanics it will be used. You can't say "This weapon is cheap, so I won't use it." if you want to stay competitive. If it's any comfort the "cheap" tactic is never the best. It's usually the best for the minimum skill. So if you practice with a better tactic, you will surpass it.

In hand-to-hand combat, maiming your opponent or causing maximum pain with minimum effort could be considered "cheap". But if it is the safest way to win, then it will be used. Honor does not always come into it. If you respect your opponent, then you have the choice of how you fight. When it's about survival, everything else is secondary.

In a video-game there is no honor in the same way as real life. Using a cheap tactic to win a fight will not leave someone crippled when they return to their family. Their life will go on, unhindered, by their loss of some random match online.


TLDR;
If it's in the game it will get used. It's your choice if you want to use it. But if you want to win you'll have to tackle the problem one way or another. Know your enemy, know yourself.

 

[Cypher10110]

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[Marcilla]

Some people are just more concerned about winning then winning with skill.
So they resort to cheap tactics, because for them they joy is in winning not in playing well.
Its this kind of behavior that makes me avoid fighting games like the plague.