Is it ever okay to camp?
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Real life isn't relevant, realism has always been attempted to be attached to this genre but I don't think it should be and if it were it would have to go all out, no game to date have I ever seen with realistic gun ballistics, there isn't a part in Call of Duty were you're adjusting the zero range of your sights and noting the ballistic curve because that would break gameplay and bore non-fanatics although it is something I would like to see if done well. In real life you don't get to respawn, in real life defibrillators don't recover bullet wounds. I understand the immersion which you could get from a realistic shooter but one like that just doesn't exist.Bloodstain said:
I must ask, what is it that the Doctor is saying with that weird expression on your avatar? xDTimeLord said:
If you cover the majority of these points
Do you have a sniper rifle? Yes
Will your actions change the entire outcome of the game? No
Are you defending something? Yes
Are you countersniping? Yes
Is your secondary weapon to be used as only a last resort or a pistol? Yes
Camp away
Do you have a sniper rifle? Yes
Will your actions change the entire outcome of the game? No
Are you defending something? Yes
Are you countersniping? Yes
Is your secondary weapon to be used as only a last resort or a pistol? Yes
Camp away
3 occasions:
* when you're in a field and it looks like it might rain
* actual sniping
* you feel like being an asshole; ie upping your kill/death ratio without caring what anyone thinks of you.
the validity of the third one is entirely personal opinion.
* when you're in a field and it looks like it might rain
* actual sniping
* you feel like being an asshole; ie upping your kill/death ratio without caring what anyone thinks of you.
the validity of the third one is entirely personal opinion.
If the fairness of a game depends on someone not using a certain tactic, then the gamemechanics are flawed. This does not mean that abusing it is fine - it just means that using the tactic shouldn't be giving one a generic advantage.
In the case of camping: Permanent camping (contrary to just using it as a surprise ambush), makes one predictable. Well designed gamemechanics allow to exploit such weaknesses. This also is true if the camper is protected by escorts. Some people lock down a room? Well, they're all sitting there nicely close to each other - i oughta be able to exploit that, right? Not? Who designed THAT?
In the case of camping: Permanent camping (contrary to just using it as a surprise ambush), makes one predictable. Well designed gamemechanics allow to exploit such weaknesses. This also is true if the camper is protected by escorts. Some people lock down a room? Well, they're all sitting there nicely close to each other - i oughta be able to exploit that, right? Not? Who designed THAT?
It's good enough, but the camping where it's sitting in a corner picking off people, mostly out of luck and good positioning, is just abysmal and annoying as hell. If you're going to defend the objective then you might as well move to a new place to catch them off guard. It's a much more legitimate way than sitting around.
Of course it's sometimes appropriate. In counter-strike the counter-terrorists have to guard the bomb places and wait for the Terrorists to come and try to plant the bomb. Of course this mostly only happens in clan wars. In public, people only just do what they want. Of course, if someone is only camping at a place without any strategic value and never comes out, it's senseless and annoying and it's really satisfying if you kill them.
I don't have a problem with camping. Personally, I'm more active when I defend an objective and look for where the enemy is coming from, but I have no problem with an ally (or enemy) staying inside the objective with a shotgun killing anyone that tries to get inside. Sure, it can be pissy and cheap, teamwork will always overcome it.
On another note, when I played FFXI, camping was how you leveled up. You would get a group, find a nice safe spot, and then have one person go out, find an enemy and bring them back to the camp. It was the most effective strategy to level up. And good team dynamics could make or break a group.
On another note, when I played FFXI, camping was how you leveled up. You would get a group, find a nice safe spot, and then have one person go out, find an enemy and bring them back to the camp. It was the most effective strategy to level up. And good team dynamics could make or break a group.
There isn't anything inherently wrong with the tactic but it's very annoying when there are 7 recons from your team all in the same old, predictable place on attack team, cheerfully providing the enemy team with kills and reducing your team's tickets. Conversely, it's rather nice when the enemy does it, as it's easy to snipe them off even with an SMG.
Similarly with tank camping when they're not doing anything useful like destroying an objective.
Similarly with tank camping when they're not doing anything useful like destroying an objective.
To that I can only say... I rarely camp alone^^spectrenihlus said:Then I just use a gun with FMJ and shoot you where you least expect.Boneasse said:That's why real campers play hardcore, where there's no killcam! Bwahahahah!spectrenihlus said:
When I play MW2 its most of the time along with some clan-buddies and most of us camp.
We usually place ourselves so we cover each other.
Especially Skidrow is highly campable.
Nice Pic.Boneasse said:That's why real campers play hardcore, where there's no killcam! Bwahahahah!spectrenihlus said:
Oh, I forgot to OT - So: It's alright to camp,when sniping (not baseraping though, shame on you!) - as others have stated - but the thing where you practically lock yourself in a room and then wait for people to come on in, is not all right.
OT: There is a big difference between types of camping:
1. Objective Defender; you move around a bit, hiding close to, but not sitting on top of, the objective. Can also be done from afar with a sniper rifle (stay away from the windows...).
2. Spawncamper; Dumbarse tardcake sitting by the spawn with a semi-auto shotgun.
3. Ammo-box camping; if you can't aim for shit, and need a re-stock every 2 fucking minutes!
4. One-spot sniping; All in the name, but this is generally for those who deserve to be a sniper, with a good enough aim.
5. Objective Camping; sitting on top of the objective. This is why grenades were invented
6. Door-side/stair/ladder camping; for those who love to imagine the look on the other guys face as your C4/shotgun goes off, splattering them all over the opposite wall in a mist of blood/guts/fire/all of the above.
While all of these are viable strategies, they will sooner or later get you some hate-mail, in order of most likely to least: 2, 6, 5, 3, 1, 4.
Reasons:
2: Stop being such a cowardly fuck and give me a chance to shoot back!
6: WTF HAPPENED!!!
5: NEWB! I'll just sneak through the back way and stick a block of C4 up your ass.
3: Don't bother playing if you need to do this.
1: An honest tactic, but you get many dickheads in real-war FPSs
4: Last because everyone respects a good sniper, especially since doing it with a mouse is hard enough but with two sticks for hands @_@.
It is always OK, people who take issue with it have to learn to deal with losing or find a new strategy.
Suck it up and play.
EDIT: Spawn camping is not cool, that's unfair. The camping I mean is finding a defensible position and using long range weapons on approaching enemies, not the "wait for spawn and shoot" kind.
Suck it up and play.
EDIT: Spawn camping is not cool, that's unfair. The camping I mean is finding a defensible position and using long range weapons on approaching enemies, not the "wait for spawn and shoot" kind.
When defending an objective yes by all means, same goes with sniping form afar. But what most people use is cheap camping were they stay one place on the map and wait for you and t bag your body.