Is my dad justified in effectively cheating on his wife?

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meepop

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Hello, Escapists. So for the past few months, my dad has been going out on Sundays and staying overnight at some girl's house. The distance isn't exactly short, either. I'm 16, and my parents are still together. He outright told my mother a while back that he was seeing her and assumes that's fine; he spends most Sunday mornings and afternoons with this girl, until Monday or sometimes even Tuesday! He even sometimes does it again later in the week!

And that's not the tip of the iceberg. My mother unfortunately has MS, Multiple Sclerosis; it's not always easy for her to walk. The grass was getting very high, and my dad used to cut the grass on weekends. He now rushes me and my sister out on Saturdays to "spend time with us", preventing him from feeling guilt when he leaves on Sunday. Anyway, because the grass was so high and I was sick, my mom went out with a fever and MS and cut the grass. This is pathetic.

We never decorated for Halloween or Thanksgiving because he's the one that normally gets the stuff down, he lies about going up his mother's who lives up the street from us to instead go to his girlfriend's. He even said he'd help my sister with homework (She's two years younger than me) more than once, and ended up just skipping some math problems she had because he wasn't there. He's also lied to my mother more than once about this.

TL;DR and otherwise; My dad's basically cheating on his wife, and it's affecting all of us. Is he justified at all in doing this? My mom doesn't yell at him or really do much to stress him out as far as I know.

EDIT: Can anyone also tell me what I should do? I don't want to approach him on the subject because I don't know what to say.

EDIT2: Both my sister and myself are in expensive Catholic high schools; my father is the one who pays for them. And my mom is, again, unemployed so she doesn't have much money to live off of.

EDIT3: To clarify some things: We don't know if any sexual happenings are occurring. We only know that my dad is going over her house, and spending the night there. Also, my mom hasn't had MS her whole life. Only since 1998 when my sister was born.

EDIT4: My dad has been divorced once before; this was my mom's first marriage. Both of them are religious, but I somehow doubt that he would be against divorce if he's done it before. The reason I posted here was to see if there were any other ways of thinking about it, that he may be using to justify his reasons.

Edit 5: Thank you all for the support. I've been busy with school and haven't been able to reply, so sorry about that... My dad spoke to me yesterday and said that "his life was in turmoil". Don't get me wrong, I felt bad. Until he left home after I went out with my mom and grandmom (Asked him by the way) to go to his girlfriend's, leaving my sister home alone. And today was the day I got my Junior ring. Thank you to all of those who think he is justified for not reading the whole post!

Look, my mother is sick. She knows he's going out with his girlfriend. They've talked about it before. What is she supposed to say to him? Also, what's going to happen with regards to us if my parents get a divorce? My mother takes care of clothes and cleaning the house, my dad works with decorations, lawn care, etc. She even pays part of the house payment which, along with bills, takes out part of her unemployment compensation. But it's not enough to live off of.

And for those of you inquiring about why he lies, it's because he'd feel guilty if he just left without saying anything or even telling us where he was going. We've all been there; we'd rather lie and act like no one realizes it as opposed to come right out with it. Which I must say is quite immature, because that's something I'd expect from someone my age. Apologies for adding so much, I've just been bogged down with school work; thanks to everyone, even those who think it's justified for providing other points of view. I understand what you mean, but I can neither prove nor disprove what you've said.
 

ohnoitsabear

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No he is not at all justified here. He's not doing his responsibilities, and he's taking advantage of all of you. He's being a straight-up asshole here, and you should not have to put up with it.

What you need to do is talk to the rest of your family about it, and then confront him together. Trying to confront somebody by yourself is difficult, but with multiple people it becomes much easier. I would tell him something along the lines of "what you are doing is not okay, and you need to stop or get the fuck out," but you might find something that would work better. Bottom line, don't be tactful, and tell it like it is.
 

disgruntledgamer

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No he isn't and if my dad did something like that to me I'd personally kick the living ^%$& out of him in front of his girlfriend.
 

meepop

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I considered intervention, and while I may do it, it feels awkward to talk about it to other family members. Regardless, I'm not going to confront him alone, or yell at him.
 

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My feeling is regardless of your mothers condition, which is regrettable to be sure, he shouldn't be forced into "staying" with her just because of that.

If he no longer loves her he should just cut the cord so to speak and file for divorce, and move out. And while that will hurt you and the rest of your family, it is infinately better than what is happening currently where he is not only behaving like a poor father and a poor husband but also he is displaying himself to be nothing more than a craven coward.
And THAT, to me, would be and is a lot more hurtful than him simply admitting that things have changed and dealing with the consequences.

It wouldn't necessarily have to come down to a choice between his girlfriend, or his family either. It isn't the girlfriends fault is it? Nor is it the fact that he has a girlfriend that is the problem really, is it?

I think the best way for this to be resolved is for you, and your family, to tell him that he has to get a grip and stop behaving so badly. To decide if he wants to stay with his wife or not.
And if not, to just go and stop hurting everyone with his cowardly behaviour.
 

Little Woodsman

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First of all, my sympathies to your family. My father had permanent progressive multiple sclerosis, and it
destroyed our family.
Whatever people's views about marriage are, your father has no excuse for neglecting his children!
Are his parents, or any of his siblings still living and are you close to any of them?
They would probably be the best people to confront him about his behavior, and might even be able
to offer additional emotional support to you, your sister & your mother.
 

meepop

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FitScotGaymer said:
My feeling is regardless of your mothers condition, which is regrettable to be sure, he shouldn't be forced into "staying" with her just because of that.

If he no longer loves her he should just cut the cord so to speak and file for divorce, and move out. And while that will hurt you and the rest of your family, it is infinately better than what is happening currently where he is not only behaving like a poor father and a poor husband but also he is displaying himself to be nothing more than a craven coward.
And THAT, to me, would be and is a lot more hurtful than him simply admitting that things have changed and dealing with the consequences.

It wouldn't necessarily have to come down to a choice between his girlfriend, or his family either. It isn't the girlfriends fault is it? Nor is it the fact that he has a girlfriend that is the problem really, is it?

I think the best way for this to be resolved is for you, and your family, to tell him that he has to get a grip and stop behaving so badly. To decide if he wants to stay with his wife or not.
And if not, to just go and stop hurting everyone with his cowardly behaviour.
There's things I didn't mention, and perhaps I should edit my post because of this, but my mom is unemployed and my sister and me both go to Catholic schools, paid for by my father. And the girlfriend knows he has a wife and kids; she's texted him, asking where he is and whatnot.
 

meepop

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Little Woodsman said:
First of all, my sympathies to your family. My father had permanent progressive multiple sclerosis, and it
destroyed our family.
Whatever people's views about marriage are, your father has no excuse for neglecting his children!
Are his parents, or any of his siblings still living and are you close to any of them?
They would probably be the best people to confront him about his behavior, and might even be able
to offer additional emotional support to you, your sister & your mother.
His mother lives up the street, and he frequently uses her for excuses; the rest of my father's siblings save one are either out of the picture (They don't want to associate with their mother) or they're begging for help/money. She knows about it, and she is one stubborn mother hubbard most times, so she may be on him quite a bit.
 

Dreiko_v1legacy

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Sounds like your dad's sticking around out of pity for your sick mother and because he may know she'd be unable to tend for you guys without him being there but he has ceased to love her as a spouse for quite some time and if she is actually going along with it it sounds like she has agreed to this situation.


Maybe they'll split up when you guys are out in the world and can fend on your own, maybe they'll get back together, who knows.


As for what to do, it's hard. Would your situation improve if he just left the house permanently? It doesn't sound like it from what I gather from your description and it probably sounds like the only reason he hasn't left already.
 

DugMachine

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What the fuck no he isn't justified even if your mother isn't making a fuss of it. Nothing personal but your dad sounds like a real douche. And i'd sure as hell confront him about it. Don't be intimidated, if he's never hit you before he won't start now but if things get ugly just call the cops.

If anything talk to your mom and convince her to leave him. Nobody should put up with that shit.
 

meepop

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The thing is, they've been married 18 years, and known each other quite a bit longer. They were married in 1994 I believe and they've been together since the 80's. My mom said it was a sin before the Lord; the house is a mess with stuff that my father has reliably done in the past, and yet he knowingly goes out, a good distance away from our house, to spend time with someone else. Even if he doesn't love his wife, he has US.
 

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Hey, it sounds like a really difficult time for you, your sister, and your mom. You'll probably get a lot of replies to this from really pathetic keyboard warriors telling you how they would beat the shit out of him or whatever. Don't listen to any of that; it's poisonous garbage. You seem intelligent and reasonable, and it sucks to have such a difficult situation. You're definitely correct in not wanting to yell or whatever, that achieves nothing. I do think, even if it's difficult to talk about it with other family members, it's worth overcoming the awkwardness to confront your dad, he needs to be made to see how wrong what he's doing is. He needs to understand what he's doing to you, you're his children. Your education, your lives, and the household you live in is his responsibility.

As for his marriage to your mom: no, his cheating on her isn't justified, but there is one thing, and I'm not sure that this is right, or morally sound or whatever, but I understand. When you love someone and marry them, this isn't wat you signed up for, or imagined what the rest of your life would be like. This isn't what you wanted. I know marriage vows say "in sickness and in health", but they also say "love, honour, and obey." I still don't think what he's doing is right- but maybe that can help you understand it? In the end, no one can say whether he's "justified" or not, it's up to every individual to make their own decision. In my opinion, he isn't. And this totally sucks, but it looks like it's your turn. Talk to your family, get them together, and try and talk to your dad. Don't confront him or push him, but make him realise what he's doing is negligent and hurtful. If he doesn't wanna be married to your mom, fine, but he can be an adult, take care of his children, and show you someone you can at least respect.
Best of luck.
 

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Some threads just leave you gobsmacked at how horrible life can sometimes be. I think this is an issue with no easy fix.

We can't tell everyone's motives and reasons for acting the way they do from a few paragraphs of information on the internet with any degree of absolute certainty that delicate situations like this require to handle them properly, and because of that you are probably the best judge to decide where to go from here, but the very fact that you have left a message asking for help proves one thing: You are not happy with the current situation, and you are not coping with the way things are going, if this is true for you then it is probably true for the rest of your family. This is a situation that needs to be confronted, and some changes made.
Talk to the rest of your family, and your mother, and see how they really feel, then as a family talk to your dad about it. It sounds like he may have to choose between his wife and his girlfriend, and even then that may not be the end of your problems, you may not like the choice he makes, or he may change his mind and backtrack, causing more hurt, but action clearly has to be taken.
There are some very vulnerable people involved in this (And I don't just mean your mom you are still only a child and at a crucial stage of your life)
Whatever you do, do something.
 

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Nope.

It's especially bad in my eyes because your mom is ill. It sounds as if he's not man enough to handle a spouse who is ill and so uses the other woman as an "escape." But apparently it's not bad enough to leave.

Hm... not sure what you should do. My mom is still involved with my former step dad in spite of the fact he's mostly cheating too.

With your mom already aware, see if she could be persuaded to divorce. It might be extra good for her with no job, ill and two children in school.

I'm not sure what's left after that, especially if she doesn't wanna divorce or something. I guess you can confront him and see if it stops him.
 

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I know you said you didn't want to but I think the best thing would be to talk to your Dad about it. Maybe he doesn't realise how much it's affecting you and there could be more going on that you realise.

I'm not going to say your dad is a dick because I'm sure there's a lot more at play here but I really think you should be telling your dad this, not a bunch of people on the Internet who are going to jump to conclusions and tell you your dad is scum.
 

meepop

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Colour-Scientist said:
I know you said you didn't want to but I think the best thing would be to talk to your Dad about it. Maybe he doesn't realise how much it's affecting you and there could be more going on that you realise.

I'm not going to say your dad is a dick because I'm sure there's a lot more at play here but I really think you should be telling your dad this, not a bunch of people on the Internet who are going to jump to conclusions and tell you your dad is scum.
As I said in my original post, he came out and told my mom about this already. He thinks it's justified. And if my dad believes he's right, well, it's difficult to convince him otherwise. I understand that he may have different feelings, I do, but his feelings about us can not or at least should not change.
 

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Your dad sounds like a terrible person.
I assume he thinks he can get away with because your mother is ill and needs him to help her, if you and your sister are both young, she can't rely on you when you have school.

If you think you can handle it, you can help your mum wherever you can. Just show your dad you don't need him around and build a life away from him.
It's tricky because you can't technically do anything, it has to be your mum who decides if she wants a divorce and kicks him out the house.
Consider getting your mum a carer? I'm not sure what's available for you because I don't know where you live, but there must be something for her.
Money wise, you might have to change to a cheaper/public school and there will be some benefits your mum can get to help towards everything (not to mention CSA she'll get off your dad as you and your sis are under 18).
Get your family together and talk about a way to solve this. Talk to social services. It might feel awkward, it might be hard but I can tell you, social services (or whatever similar you have in your country) helped me so much growing up.

No one deserves to be treat like this. If it was happening to me, I'd go to his bit on the sides house while he's there and kick his arse.
 

meepop

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Thanks for your support, everyone. This isn't exactly something I know how to deal with, considering it's never occurred to me or anyone I know before.
 

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First let me say I'm really sorry you're in this situation :(. Now I don't know enough to say this for sure, but:

It sounds like your mum isn't saying anything because she's dependent on your dad and doesn't want him to go anywhere. As for whether or not it's justified; ofcourse it's not! Cheating is never justified in my opinion, particularly in cases like this when your partner is dependent. If it were me I'd talk to your dad and explain how badly it's affecting you, it's despicable what he's doing :/ If you can get them both (your parents) to sit down and talk about it, maybe you could try to get them to attend counselling? There's obviously feelings; your dad hasn't flat-out left her, and he's still providing for you. I reckon it's salvagable if you give that a shot :)

EDIT: do you have any more relatives close by, like grandparents or aunts and uncles? A family intervention could be helpful too.

Hope this situation improves for you dude.