Is this ''cheating?''

[Phishfood]

So I'm playing oblivion as a marksman character and I keep running out of arrows mid dungeon despite bringing 200 plus. So I bring up the console and restock with arrows of my own level. Glass currently. I have loads of gold so its not like I couldnt go out of the dungeon and get some I'm just sick of running back and forth.

Is that really bad cheating :S Do you think I should stop it. Have you ever done anything similar in a game? What do you think?

I do this a lot, but I do try to "pay" for the arrows (or whatever it is) by destroying something of equal value, usually gold.

playing rpgs is fun. Traipsing back and forth between two places several times in order to play the next bit is a pain in the ass. Especially in games with no fast travel. Mass Effect (I think) pissed me off with quests that had me going back and forth between places I had already explored. Spent sooooo much time just walking, loading, walking, loading, walking only to get to the objective, 2 minute convo then return journey....argh!

 

[Morgan Howe]

your game, do whatever
i used to use it to give me limitless money right off the bat, but now i got a ps3 copy(no dev_console)

 

[CoverYourHead]

You're trying to have fun with your game?! You know who else liked to have fun? HITLER. ARE YOU HITLER?!

But seriously, it's cheating, sure. But... Who cares? It's single-player, you can do whatever the hell you want to have fun. If you have fun not having to worry about ammo, then go for it.

 

[Jimmy T. Malice]

Maybe you should pick up the arrows and re-use them. Just a thought.

 

[Jamash]

Technically it is cheating because you used the console, but I suppose it's not that much worse than the reasons I never run out of arrows on the 360 version of Oblivion.

I equip 4 or 5 pieces of amour and accessories that are enchanted with the Chameleon spell so that I have permanent 100% Chameleon, that way I never run out of arrows because I can pick them up without being detected, plus I always get the stealth damage bonus so I only use a few arrows to take down a foe (unless I'm trying to build up my archery skill, in which case I use the weakest arrows and my opponents look like porcupines before they die).

I also reverse pick-pocketed the Adoring Fan so he acts like a mule, carrying all the ammo & equipment I need to every dungeon I visit.

At the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with "cheating" in a game so buggy and broken as Oblivion, through the course of a normal play through you can inadvertently "cheat" just by outwitting the dumb A.I., you actually have to go out of your way if you want to play the game "fairly" and give your enemies a fighting chance.

 

[aba1]

I do that sorta thing all the time

 

[Weaver]

When I had an archer in Oblivion I added arrows to my inventory all the time.
You just ran out too quick, they weighed too much to carry 5000 of and did pitiful damage. 6x criticals at least help a bit.

 

[Ralen-Sharr]

I didn't have that much problem with arrows. Although I also played stealthy so most of my shots were 1 hit kills.

oh yeah, put the magic: drain life 100 pts for 1 second on your bow. It's not cheating, and it's HELLA effective. Anything with less than 100 hp dies without a chance, and if you find something higher, stealth and pop it in the head and it'll likely be dead anyway.

It does look strange though if the target survives barely. HP drop to almost nothing then bounce right back.

 

[GraveeKing]

If I keep 200 on me I just look arrows I shot into enemy's after they die, I'd say just try and be more efficient instead. And heck as long as they're your level arrows I don't see why not.

 

[therandombear]

Well...I had to actually cheat in FO:NV today...I was in Vault 11 punching mantis' when I suddenly fell through the floor and ended up under the overseers desk, in the hidden tunnel.

I walked down and finished the whole Martyr event...I found the PC saying "Override Lockdown" I assumed this opened the overseer desk...when I got back, nope...so I had to open console and use the "movetoqt" command to get out of there >.<

OT: You are cheating...but you're not cheating to ruin the game for anyone, would be worse if it was in a MP game.

 

[GamerPhate]

Technically yes it is cheating. Does it matter? It is a single player game, and it is only you who's experience is altered. You could dream about the alternate timeline where you didn't cheat and instead left caches of arrows all over the land in attempts to be able to restock from time to time. And you can imagine what the epic journeys to all these caches will be like each time you need more. Dream about the hours you would spend backtracking to the places so that you could legitimately say that you beat the game without cheating. But is it worth all the time sink? Only you can say.

An alternate way to do things, and similar to what you do in the Fallout series, is that you sometimes need to have a backup skill to fall back on in case you run out of a certain type of ammo, or perhaps need that extra bit of firepower from a different weapon. I think someone mentioned bringing a sword along to finish the crawl with if run dry of ammo. That is usually the best plan in a game where ranged ammo is somewhat limited. Another solution would be that perhaps 200 arrows isn't enough? Maybe you need to take 300 just to be sure you have enough to make it to the end. These are just suggestions, again, it is your game experience, and if being able to say you beat it without cheating is important to you, there are alternative methods to getting around low ammo if that is your primary issue. But again, if that doesn't REALLY matter to you, then do what you want, it is your game

It is only online games where cheating gets QUITE a bit more sketchy XD

 

[Radoh]

You are breaking restrictions that the game has set upon you, so yes you are cheating. However its not game breakingly so, so if you want to keep on doing so, then continue.

 

[fenrizz]

I don't consider it cheating.

Having to run out of the dungeon and back to town to restock on ammo is a very annoying inconvenience.

Besides, it's not like you're breaking the game balance or anything.

 

[GamerPhate]

Well...I had to actually cheat in FO:NV today...I was in Vault 11 punching mantis' when I suddenly fell through the floor and ended up under the overseers desk, in the hidden tunnel.

I walked down and finished the whole Martyr event...I found the PC saying "Override Lockdown" I assumed this opened the overseer desk...when I got back, nope...so I had to open console and use the "movetoqt" command to get out of there >.<

OT: You are cheating...but you're not cheating to ruin the game for anyone, would be worse if it was in a MP game.

What you did there was NOT cheating. If the game BREAKS on you (bad level design and you fall through the world for example) using the console to FIX the game breaking element isn't cheating. Granted I suppose if you had a fairly recent save you could backtrack hopefull less than 30 mins of gameplay worth to do it again and see if the glitch happens again, or try to avoid it of course.

Usually when I am in a situation like that I see how much time I would lose and if I can spare redoing it again. Usually I reload and try again to avoid having to use the console. But if a save is corrupt or the game is literally broken regardless of the saves I fall back on, then there is nothing you can do but over-ride the game and FIX what ever problem persists.

This type of console use is NEVER cheating if the problem can not be resolved. But again, you can always reload and try again, but if it happens again, what can you do?

 

[spartandude]

Its single player, doesnt affect anyone else so it dont matter

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

SNIP

Ye that is cheating, and I know this has already been said... but how do you use so many arrows????

I don't know! *falls to knees sobbing*

One minute I have 200 the next that awful crack noise as you run out :<. Oh and I aslso pick the stray ones back up too it just seems to get less and less.

 

[therandombear]

Well...I had to actually cheat in FO:NV today...I was in Vault 11 punching mantis' when I suddenly fell through the floor and ended up under the overseers desk, in the hidden tunnel.

I walked down and finished the whole Martyr event...I found the PC saying "Override Lockdown" I assumed this opened the overseer desk...when I got back, nope...so I had to open console and use the "movetoqt" command to get out of there >.<

OT: You are cheating...but you're not cheating to ruin the game for anyone, would be worse if it was in a MP game.

What you did there was NOT cheating. If the game BREAKS on you (bad level design and you fall through the world for example) using the console to FIX the game breaking element isn't cheating. Granted I suppose if you had a fairly recent save you could backtrack hopefull less than 30 mins of gameplay worth to do it again and see if the glitch happens again, or try to avoid it of course.

Usually when I am in a situation like that I see how much time I would lose and if I can spare redoing it again. Usually I reload and try again to avoid having to use the console. But if a save is corrupt or the game is literally broken regardless of the saves I fall back on, then there is nothing you can do but over-ride the game and FIX what ever problem persists.

This type of console use is NEVER cheating if the problem can not be resolved. But again, you can always reload and try again, but if it happens again, what can you do?

True, I could just have loaded from last point....but I had been wading through the same wing in the vault for 1 hour, picking up anything I could use, ex. Cigarette packs for sierra madre chips and things to jury rigg xD

I was thinking of it, but when it's been 1-2 hours since last save...fuck no >.<

 

[GamerPhate]

I don't consider it cheating.

Having to run out of the dungeon and back to town to restock on ammo is a very annoying inconvenience.

Besides, it's not like you're breaking the game balance or anything.

If you use the console to get free stuff, it is cheating. You get free stuff for nothing. There is a limit to number of items in the world to create a sense drama or survival effect. If you can just create anything you need, when you want, there is no accomplishment. When you come across arrows natually in the game, they will become much more of a prize loot than if you can just clone some more at will.

 

[bassdrum]

Technically, I suppose it would be cheating... but it's not like it affects anyone but you, and it makes the game more fun for you, so I don't think it really matters. If it's bothering you, just put a good lightweight dagger in your inventory for when you run out of arrows (although I'd be inclined to say that you should just go right on using the console; once I finish the playthrough I'm on now I'm probably going to go back through making free use of console commands).