Not only that but we (myself included) praise Valve at every opportunity. It's no wonder Microsoft thought this could work. Also to blame:FreedomofInformation said:I blame all the PC gamers who jumped on Steam because they were easily bribed with cheap games and set an example to other companies who now want in on it.WeepingAngels said:Right and Paramount should get a cut when I sell a DVD?Talshere said:Imper1um said:Whoo, looks like PS4 is going to get a boost in sales by this announcement. haha
Nah they will do the same. This has been a long time coming.
Ultimately, the blame lies on Gamestop, Game, Gamestation etc. who refused to let the pub's in on the 2nd hand market. Now they will pay the price for their greed.
The blame lies on greedy publishers who want to get paid for used sales. If any blame lies on Gamestop it's because they sat on their thumbs and watched this happen on a smaller scale with online passes. Even now they have an ad for Xbox One on their website.
Comments like this feed the publishers greed. They have no right to money from second hand sales but these people will support them finding a way to get it anyway.If the developers and publishers are the ones getting the lion's share of this `second hand fee`, then I actually support it.
It's going to be an amusing state of affairs.mysecondlife said:Yeah but some people are going to buy it, not knowing any better. People can be stupid with their money, not knowing what they're getting.
Bitching about used games will come after.
It's Nintendo's next-gen console, and they already had a representative in the 7th generation, the Wii. We really can't compare Nintendo's moves through the generations the same way we look at Sony or Microsoft, as, while the latter two are much more concerned with things such as technological capabilities and online infrastructure, Nintendo is more concerned with delivering a vastly different gameplay experience than what their previous generation did, similar to how the Wii was completely different than the Gamecube of the 6th generation. Sure, technologically speaking, it has no hope of competing with the PS4 or XOne, but it's still Nintendo's offering to us for the 8th-gen consoles, and it's certainly stuck with Nintendo's current mentality of each new generation being unique from the last.leeprice133 said:I'm not sure I think of the WiiU is a next-generation console - technically it seems to be only slightly beyond the 360 and PS3. Seems more like Nintendo have only just fully joined the current gen.MysticSlayer said:Well, I think I should thank Microsoft for making my next-gen console purchasing decision much, much easier. With only the Playstation 4 and WiiU to think about, the debate for system I should get has just been moved into which system I should get first (I always get two each generation), which will largely be based on what Nintendo's release schedule is for first-party titles on WiiU. Still, something tells me I should be thinking about how soon I want a PS4.
This is exactly what i'm thinking. PS4 is my only option besides 3DS, but I don't really count handhelds as much..even so, my PC will do me for a long time, and by them the PS4 will be much cheaper and have lots of exclusives, unlike Microsoft, which just has Halo which I'm pretty uninterested in.Legendairy314 said:My plan for this generation is to catch up on all the consoles I've been missing and invest anything I would have used on a console for my PC. These new consoles aren't making me regret this decision in the slightest.
EDIT: PS4 is still an option here. I'm just waiting for E3 until I even consider any consoles.
You can't really blame Gamestop to be honest. This shit doesn't fly in any other industry. If I buy a second hand car the original manufacturer of said car does not get a cut of that sale. If I buy a smartphone second hand on Craigslist the orignal manufacturer of said phone doesnt get a cut.Talshere said:Imper1um said:Whoo, looks like PS4 is going to get a boost in sales by this announcement. haha
Nah they will do the same. This has been a long time coming.
Ultimately, the blame lies on Gamestop, Game, Gamestation etc. who refused to let the pub's in on the 2nd hand market. Now they will pay the price for their greed.
Considering that they announced they would stop using online passes literally JUST before Microsoft says you can't play used games without paying a fee, I'd be willing to bet anything that there's a link.ToastiestZombie said:Isn't it a bit fishy that the new of EA partnering with Microsoft is in such close proximity to this news? I smell a conspiracy.
Yeah, I'll concede that. Things do seem to be looking a little grim for the Wii U at the moment though. Selling badly because the games aren't there, and the games aren't coming because it's selling badly.MysticSlayer said:It's Nintendo's next-gen console, and they already had a representative in the 7th generation, the Wii. We really can't compare Nintendo's moves through the generations the same way we look at Sony or Microsoft, as, while the latter two are much more concerned with things such as technological capabilities and online infrastructure, Nintendo is more concerned with delivering a vastly different gameplay experience than what their previous generation did, similar to how the Wii was completely different than the Gamecube of the 6th generation. Sure, technologically speaking, it has no hope of competing with the PS4 or XOne, but it's still Nintendo's offering to us for the 8th-gen consoles, and it's certainly stuck with Nintendo's current mentality of each new generation being unique from the last.leeprice133 said:I'm not sure I think of the WiiU is a next-generation console - technically it seems to be only slightly beyond the 360 and PS3. Seems more like Nintendo have only just fully joined the current gen.MysticSlayer said:Well, I think I should thank Microsoft for making my next-gen console purchasing decision much, much easier. With only the Playstation 4 and WiiU to think about, the debate for system I should get has just been moved into which system I should get first (I always get two each generation), which will largely be based on what Nintendo's release schedule is for first-party titles on WiiU. Still, something tells me I should be thinking about how soon I want a PS4.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-24-this-is-how-xbox-one-game-trade-ins-will-work-apparently...The game will be registered as traded in and will be wiped from your Xbox Live account. The shop can resell it for whatever price it likes but the game's publisher now takes a cut and so does Microsoft... Anyone buying that second-hand game will need to pay an activation fee of £35... Combine that measly 10 per cent discount and the £35 activation fee and you have figures that add up to not much sense at all for the shopper.