Jake Evans, 17, tells 911 he shot and killed mother and sister
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PercyBoleyn said:
Textbook-Case of the bad outcome of Antisocial Personality Disorder. Quite literally thats essentially the worst case scenario for that mental issue. I know it, i have it myself, and no im not killing my mom or my sisters or anyone, because that comes in varrying degrees of how severe it is, mine isnt that bad, and i got meds due to anger management issues.
But yes the lack of empathy, the way he can justify it and reason it away in such a calm and collected manner? Thats a clear sign. In fact, those two are usually the two big signs of it, there are more, the inability to tolerate boredom, difficulties with authority, inability to plan ahead/impulsiveness etc. List goes on. He needs help, barring that, a stay at a mental institution. He wont ever be cured, or feel sorry for what he did most likely, but i believe ending his live isnt the way to go given the real problem that People are born with that mental problem, alot are even.
So yeah, he needs serious psychological help, not the gaschamber.
But yes the lack of empathy, the way he can justify it and reason it away in such a calm and collected manner? Thats a clear sign. In fact, those two are usually the two big signs of it, there are more, the inability to tolerate boredom, difficulties with authority, inability to plan ahead/impulsiveness etc. List goes on. He needs help, barring that, a stay at a mental institution. He wont ever be cured, or feel sorry for what he did most likely, but i believe ending his live isnt the way to go given the real problem that People are born with that mental problem, alot are even.
So yeah, he needs serious psychological help, not the gaschamber.
I did read my comment back and I should not have included Sherlock but I felt you were being quite abrupt at the time. I'm also sorry.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
This is actually pretty disturbing and I've only just started listening.
The fact that he planned to kill is what gets me, I just hope it's a unique situation that doesn't occur again.
I''m glad he immediately handed himself in, but the logical thing to do would be to ask for a psychiatrist, not to fetch a gun and shoot his family.
Just heard the bit where he said he's now freaked out about guns. Poor sod will be scarred for life after seeing family murdered by his own hand, the way bullets immediately end a person's life, even if he was in the middle of a mental breakdown.
Don't get me wrong, I have no sympathy for him, but surely someone saw this coming? Surely there are signs when someone is losing their mind? his sister was only 15, that's devastating.
I have total respect for the operator and her handling of this situation. Very professional. Such an unfortunate event, at least nothing worse developed from this situation. I hope he gets put away long enough so he doesn't do this again.
The fact that he planned to kill is what gets me, I just hope it's a unique situation that doesn't occur again.
I''m glad he immediately handed himself in, but the logical thing to do would be to ask for a psychiatrist, not to fetch a gun and shoot his family.
Just heard the bit where he said he's now freaked out about guns. Poor sod will be scarred for life after seeing family murdered by his own hand, the way bullets immediately end a person's life, even if he was in the middle of a mental breakdown.
Don't get me wrong, I have no sympathy for him, but surely someone saw this coming? Surely there are signs when someone is losing their mind? his sister was only 15, that's devastating.
I have total respect for the operator and her handling of this situation. Very professional. Such an unfortunate event, at least nothing worse developed from this situation. I hope he gets put away long enough so he doesn't do this again.
I wonder what sort of issues lead to this, or if he was always meant to be fucked in the head and this was just the first (and obviously last) display of it.
Hopefully he gets the help he needs, and, although this will sound cruel, hopefully he doesn't care about his family enough to suffer lasting emotional trauma from his actions. I feel bad for the rest of the family though, especially if this was seemingly random.
His demeanor on the phone just demonstrates to me that he has issues that need sorting.
Edit: Don't take this to mean that I don't think he should be kept away from society for likely the rest of his life. He should be kept away from others for the safety of society, absolutely. But I hope that he can get help to at least try and make him into a relatively normal person.
Hopefully he gets the help he needs, and, although this will sound cruel, hopefully he doesn't care about his family enough to suffer lasting emotional trauma from his actions. I feel bad for the rest of the family though, especially if this was seemingly random.
His demeanor on the phone just demonstrates to me that he has issues that need sorting.
Edit: Don't take this to mean that I don't think he should be kept away from society for likely the rest of his life. He should be kept away from others for the safety of society, absolutely. But I hope that he can get help to at least try and make him into a relatively normal person.
Very strange situation. He did seem rather calm, but disappointed or depressed. It could be just an outburst of emotions. But no matter what the actual reason is, I can see that media will spin it saying "____ is to blame for this, and it should be banned" which is sickening to me more then the situation itself. To me, anyways.
Sociopaths (or maybe it was psychopaths, can't remember for sure) are characterized by a complete lack of remorse or regret for things they have done, and will sometimes do things that aren't even to their benefit, either because they didn't consider the long-term consequences of their actions or because they just wanted to see what would happen.
Basically, they lack the software for emotional or moral inhibition. It's unfortunate, but it's not complicated, and it isn't even something I'd describe as evil. These people are simply handicapped in a way that makes them hazardous. I don't think we should try to punish them. The whole idea behind punishment simply doesn't apply here, except for the desire of the punisher to seek satisfaction through harm, which is immoral. That said, we should try to identify sociopaths and keep them separate from society. While this imposes on the freedom of the sociopath solely because they are handicapped and and may be somewhat unjust, it would be more unjust to inflict the consequences of the handicap on others.
Hopefully there will come a day when the inadequacies and inherent inequalities of biological growth can be addressed through technological means, and some of the unfairness of reproductive roulette can be eliminated, including the examples of psychopathy and sociopathy.
Basically, they lack the software for emotional or moral inhibition. It's unfortunate, but it's not complicated, and it isn't even something I'd describe as evil. These people are simply handicapped in a way that makes them hazardous. I don't think we should try to punish them. The whole idea behind punishment simply doesn't apply here, except for the desire of the punisher to seek satisfaction through harm, which is immoral. That said, we should try to identify sociopaths and keep them separate from society. While this imposes on the freedom of the sociopath solely because they are handicapped and and may be somewhat unjust, it would be more unjust to inflict the consequences of the handicap on others.
Hopefully there will come a day when the inadequacies and inherent inequalities of biological growth can be addressed through technological means, and some of the unfairness of reproductive roulette can be eliminated, including the examples of psychopathy and sociopathy.
Poor kid.
I know he just murdered his mother and sister, but am I the only one here who feels sorry for him? Listening to the recording, I can feel the remorse he carries. It's... sad.
I recognize the a good sum of pieces that make up the scenario. He reminds me of my brother and I, almost as if the two of us were combined and our worse parts were dominant. He even looks like he could be related to me. (Spoiler: He isn't. (at least, I don't think he is...))
Well, anyway: he held his family in high regard, that much is true. From what I can tell, the arguments between his mother and sister were tearing him up, and he wanted peace and solace. The scariest part is, he didn't bear ill will towards them. He just wanted to put a stop to the fighting.
So, he did. With a .22.
Couldn't he just talk it out? No, and this goes back to the fact he held his family on a pedestal. If he didn't, he wouldn't have hesitated to approach them and force them to come to terms (or at the very least, verbally chew them out and storm off). But he couldn't face them, not his dear mother and sister. Being a loner all his life, he was probably scared to. I can personally assure you this breed of introversion manifests as an early child and if it isn't worked around, will result in being a shut-in like this who not only doesn't show much emotion, but develops trains of thought independent and unguided of societal norms. But there is what he perceived to be a quick, instant, and painless resolution.
Mix it all together and you get, yes, an absolutely insane, but not at all nonsensical result.
You following me so far? If you're a healthy, normal individual, it's understandable if you're not. I've addressed his introversion and his respect for his family, a rather inhibiting combination of traits I shared growing up that pretty much kicks your self-respect and self-confidence in the nadgers.
But murder?
This goes to the other half of the blend; the part where I said he also reminds me of my brother. My brother, unlike me, was a very vocal child and didn't respect anyone. If you catch him anywhere near the metaphorical pedestal, it's only because he has a metaphorical sledgehammer. But he also lacked wisdom and foresight, and didn't have a penchant for education like I did. These are the traits to which I am referring.
The reason I got past my inhibitions and became this awesome dude you're listening to was because I am willing to learn. And I was actually pretty receptive to my parents' teachings (this is largely independent of the respect thing, by the way). One of the things I was taught was to always take opportunities to better myself. Being of an analytical mind, I was able to take an auto-assessment of what needed to be bettered. Yeah, if you catch the implication, I pretty much counseled myself out of my issues. Okay, I've got to give due credit to my God as well. God and I counseled myself out of my issues. Hashtag: Willpower, hashtag: Theism Brofist.
Back to the story at hand. If the evidence is to be believed (and murdering your mother and sister and turning yourself into the cops is pretty strong evidence), he lacks wisdom and foresight as well. Otherwise he would have known that murdering his family would solve nothing and shackle you with the guilt of... well, someone who murdered his family (I can't come up with a simile that drives the point home more than that). And the poor kid, who shut himself off from any meaningful societal contact and emotion, is confused as to why this is.
And it's only going to get worse for him as he gets the counselling he needs. To learn how to interact with people, to learn how to feel and express genuine emotion, to finally comprehend the magnitude of what he's done, these things are going to drive his guilt home harder than anything. I sincerely hope he doesn't commit suicide, because not only is that entirely conceivable, I'm going to venture a guess as to say its also very likely.
Keep in mind all this is conjecture stemming 25 minutes of audio footage and a news post, so make of it what you will.
I wish I could sit down and talk with him.
I know he just murdered his mother and sister, but am I the only one here who feels sorry for him? Listening to the recording, I can feel the remorse he carries. It's... sad.
I recognize the a good sum of pieces that make up the scenario. He reminds me of my brother and I, almost as if the two of us were combined and our worse parts were dominant. He even looks like he could be related to me. (Spoiler: He isn't. (at least, I don't think he is...))
Well, anyway: he held his family in high regard, that much is true. From what I can tell, the arguments between his mother and sister were tearing him up, and he wanted peace and solace. The scariest part is, he didn't bear ill will towards them. He just wanted to put a stop to the fighting.
So, he did. With a .22.
Couldn't he just talk it out? No, and this goes back to the fact he held his family on a pedestal. If he didn't, he wouldn't have hesitated to approach them and force them to come to terms (or at the very least, verbally chew them out and storm off). But he couldn't face them, not his dear mother and sister. Being a loner all his life, he was probably scared to. I can personally assure you this breed of introversion manifests as an early child and if it isn't worked around, will result in being a shut-in like this who not only doesn't show much emotion, but develops trains of thought independent and unguided of societal norms. But there is what he perceived to be a quick, instant, and painless resolution.
Mix it all together and you get, yes, an absolutely insane, but not at all nonsensical result.
You following me so far? If you're a healthy, normal individual, it's understandable if you're not. I've addressed his introversion and his respect for his family, a rather inhibiting combination of traits I shared growing up that pretty much kicks your self-respect and self-confidence in the nadgers.
But murder?
This goes to the other half of the blend; the part where I said he also reminds me of my brother. My brother, unlike me, was a very vocal child and didn't respect anyone. If you catch him anywhere near the metaphorical pedestal, it's only because he has a metaphorical sledgehammer. But he also lacked wisdom and foresight, and didn't have a penchant for education like I did. These are the traits to which I am referring.
The reason I got past my inhibitions and became this awesome dude you're listening to was because I am willing to learn. And I was actually pretty receptive to my parents' teachings (this is largely independent of the respect thing, by the way). One of the things I was taught was to always take opportunities to better myself. Being of an analytical mind, I was able to take an auto-assessment of what needed to be bettered. Yeah, if you catch the implication, I pretty much counseled myself out of my issues. Okay, I've got to give due credit to my God as well. God and I counseled myself out of my issues. Hashtag: Willpower, hashtag: Theism Brofist.
Back to the story at hand. If the evidence is to be believed (and murdering your mother and sister and turning yourself into the cops is pretty strong evidence), he lacks wisdom and foresight as well. Otherwise he would have known that murdering his family would solve nothing and shackle you with the guilt of... well, someone who murdered his family (I can't come up with a simile that drives the point home more than that). And the poor kid, who shut himself off from any meaningful societal contact and emotion, is confused as to why this is.
And it's only going to get worse for him as he gets the counselling he needs. To learn how to interact with people, to learn how to feel and express genuine emotion, to finally comprehend the magnitude of what he's done, these things are going to drive his guilt home harder than anything. I sincerely hope he doesn't commit suicide, because not only is that entirely conceivable, I'm going to venture a guess as to say its also very likely.
Keep in mind all this is conjecture stemming 25 minutes of audio footage and a news post, so make of it what you will.
I wish I could sit down and talk with him.
Are you joking? Is this some attempt at trolling?I think I may need a facepalm...does anyone have a facepalm I can borrow?DeltaEdge said:
Surely if his thought process is so different from everyone else's then it is what's so deeply wrong with him. If someone does something as abhorrant as what he has done then there is no room for such a leneant approach for what a proper mindset is. Here's the rule of thumb for you; if the way a person thinks causes them to kill another because they were curious then it's safe to say that their thought process is deeply wrong.
It's not about the guy not conforming, it's beyond that. This isn't a story about some guy who's going to be locked up for wearing a dress in public or is being shunned by society for believing in some radical new idea. He has to be locked away and if the justice system is merciful they will give the go ahead for some form of therapy so that he might one day have a chance at living a normal life because as it stands he cannot be trusted to give into curiosity again.
After listening to the call a bit, it seems this kid was kinda not liking humanity and took it out on his mom and sister.Stormcloud23 said:
I don't know he just seems he was very sheltered and he even said he got freaked out about the gun and is now scared about it.
He just sounds he always had a mental illness no one knew about