Varya said:
Holy shit, I don't even know where to begin.
I'm just gonna write a few points and then weep for the world a bit.
Pedophilia and homosexuality is NOT the same thing! I'm not gonna claim to be an expert but for pedophiles, the sex of the child is often irrelevant, but as you say, boys are braver, and therefore and easeier target. This does not mean pedophiles are gay.
I'm not even gonna try and debunk your "numbers" here but I'll just say that sexual deviances is more frequent in an evniorment where you're not accepeted as you are, so IF (big if) there's any truth to yuour numbers, it's more than likely the fault of people like you.
Equating homosexualtiy woth pedophilia is fucking disgusting, of course you'll hate gays if you thing that they are the same as pedos, but they're not.
You talk of wanting to cure the gay? News flash, they don't want to be cured and you have no fucking right to inflict your worldview on them (thank god)
And as for wanting to track Gays, holy shit you do realise what you are saying? Ever heard of innocent untill proven guilty? And as for why annyone not a pedo would be upset if they were forbidden to enter a school? How about them beng upset for being singled out and treated as jews in WWII Germany. I normaly try and avoid Goodwin but you speak of making gay's having to be marked as fucking cattle
I realise your problems are too deep to be swayed by a furious guy on a forum, but serIously, get perspective. Go get some facts, a bit of perspective.
People like you make me physically ill, and I try and maintain a civil,tone, but you are talking about some of my friends and family here so it's a bit close to home.
I'll make this one response to this message which pretty much covers the response to all of the similar responses.
Simply put I'm not going to fight this out again, this is a liberal enviroment, I know it, and I'm not going to accomplish anything with such close minded people. I stated that before I said anything and still received insistances I write a response. I should know better than to think people have grown up.
I'll be brutally honest here, your putting words into my mouth as is pretty much everyone responding. One point that seems to be missed is that I never said gay and pedophille are the same, merely that there is a far greater tendency. That's not really a disputable fact either with groups like NAMBLA shouting it from the rooftops, as they insist on rights for pedophilles. That crap you've seen on these forums with people asking the question "do Pedos have the right to exist?" to bring up survivial and then build it into a right to practice over time like other minority groups? That's from NAMBLA's playbook even if it doesn't always go back to them.
What's more I speak from actual experience, as in "I've seen this with my own eyes" and professional training. A lot of people don't want to believe that, or because they happen to be gay and not a pedophille insist it can't be true. I get why, but that just makes you ignorant even if well intentioned. What's more with certain crimes the people who practice them do not generally come out and say so, things like NAMBLA are fairly unusual. Your typical Pedo doesn't look like the movie stereotype, he's basically the ordinary looking, "acceptable" gay dude, and almost guaranteed he says all the right things about hating pedos, and supports the community in exactly the right and acceptable ways. This is why saying it's not true, and producing statistics gather with that specific intent is meaningless.
This is incidently one of the reasons why I have so little respect for liberals on so many levels. The hearts might be in the right place, but common sense does not nessicarly enter into the equasion, and when the people who know, and have actually done things pretty much lay down the way it is, they still insist on being worldly and railing about how it can't possible be true.
Saying people like me are small minded, and "OMG I can't believe people like you exist" actually hurts your cause, because really we're probably the best case scenario. See, reality is about a middle ground, you have two poles to issues. On the gay issue you have the whole pro-gay "gays are wonderful and should be involved in everything, and entitled to all this special treatment and repairations" side on one extreme end, then you have on the other extreme end the people who want to literally make being gay a crime and an immdediate death sentence. I was just reading an article about how Uganda wants to make homosexuality a death penelty offense, and there is enough of a following for the bill to be heard.
Oh wait here is a link
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57372796/uganda-anti-gay-death-penalty-bill-reintroduced/
I'm right in the middle. I accept that the extreme anti-gay side is right, there are a lot of problems with homosexuals, albiet they aren't as bad as they let on. I've looked into it and made major concessions such as seperating gays and lesbians as seperate issues, and how not all gay men are pedos, not even the majority, but a humane method of control without removing their basic humanity needs to be found until other solutions present themselves.
In response to the guy who talked about suicide, and what I presented being a death penelty offense and such... no, that's not the case at all. You'll notice I mentioned under my theory registration without tracking. The idea being that your neighbors are not going to be informed "so and so is gay" only specific authorities. What's more they are only prevented in going to a very limited number of areas, and again unless they go to one of those places, there isn't going to be any kind of issue. If you just want to do it with adults and mind your own business it's no big deal. Opposing that is almost admitting you have a creepy desire to be around kids. What's more if you don't care about people knowing your gay, WTF
do you care if the authorities are informed?
See, I'm the counterpoint to the ignorant people on both sides, who neither side wants to embrace. The actual hardcore anti-gsy person, considers me a freak who wants to protect and coddle homosexual aberrants as I'm acknowleging their fundemental humanity and right to exist because you can't exterminate them for being differant, or because of certain tendencies that aren't even nessicarly present in the majority. To the gay rights movement and liberal supporters I'm hated because I don't think homosexuality should be plastered into every aspect of society, and that all the negatives should be presented as lies and ignored or covered up for the greater good.
What's more, like it or not, mine is the most peaceful solution. See in the long run a success by either side leads to a lot of violence. Gays ever get into society to the extent they want in such a permanant fashion, the hardcore anti-gay movement... and it's as huge as the liberals are, are going to declare the system to have failed and take matters into their own hands. Enter pogroms of genocide and large scale organized violence. You might think the current stuff is a big deal, it's nothing. If the anti-gay movement wins, well look at what Uganda wants. In a country like the US, my position is one that neither side will be happy with, but both could ultimatly live with.
Also for the record, you are correct that for someone who is a sexual deviant, it's normal and natural for them. Someone who is gay and reacts chemically to their own gender does not want to be cured and sees nothing wrong with it, just as those who are into things like scat don't. Those gays who aren't attracted to children likewise can't understand the compulsion much like someone who isn't wired for a specific orientation can't understand it. This is one of the reasons why I mention an eventual "cure" would likely not take place in the form of gays being run down and jabbed with needles or locked in hospitals, but rather corrected as a part of general medical science. Basically a developing baby who would be born with abnormalities in it's chemical system causing it to be attracted to it's own gender, would simply have them set to the normal path and thus be born heterosexual. Gays wouldn't be hunted down, there simply wouldn't be any more of them born, largely dealing with the problem.... again you kind of jumped onto your rhetoric and didn't read what I actually said.
Now I understand you and others won't like this, but I'll say it flat out there is no point in argueing with me. Both sides here (mine and yours) are pretty much set. This is why I mostly keep my conversations to gaming even when it touches on stuff like this. I'm not going to respond and argue, already been there a few times on these forums. Likewise I already know you think I'm a reprehensible human being (ditto for most everyone else who already responding) so I really don't need you to actually say, or re-state it.
In the long run though I do think you'll be happy for the middle ground, even if you don't see it now. Overall I'd save most of your energy for the crap happening in places like Uganda where both you and people like me generally agree. That's your actual enemy and the kind of outlook you need to worry about.
