Lol. Joss tears Jurassic World a new one, accusing it of being sexist. Then he gets accused of sexism, and then transphobia. Hilarious.
Joss Whedon deletes twitter account following mass of feminist criticism
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Damn, do I? I better watch that. I wasn't aware I was turning on anybody at the moment[footnote]NB: Renly turned on me.[/footnote].L. Declis said:
That's right. Intelligent, educated people form their opinions of movements spanning over 150 years, countless countries, and many millions of people based on Twitter spats.KingsGambit said:
For all the people saying this is what you get for pandering to the SJWs, he more than likely says the things he dose because he actually believes it. Not because he is some poor man under the thumb of feminists/SJW overlords who have now turned on him or trying to pander to people.
There is also the fact that if he got no criticism for doing things that other people do get criticism for because he "sides" with the SJWs in other instances then that would be hypocritical.
Finally, using the most reactionary and stupidest of the extremist to represent the whole group is a bad thing no matter what side you are doing it to. 100 so called SJWs could praise or defend him but if 1 losses their shit over a misunderstanding the SJWs supposedly hate the person
As for this complaint specifically, I haven't seen the movie yet but either way while criticism (even I don't agree) is fine, attacking the artist like that isn't. Yes there are people who seem to be addicted to outrage and over analyse everything to the point where you can find problems in everything.
There is also the fact that if he got no criticism for doing things that other people do get criticism for because he "sides" with the SJWs in other instances then that would be hypocritical.
Finally, using the most reactionary and stupidest of the extremist to represent the whole group is a bad thing no matter what side you are doing it to. 100 so called SJWs could praise or defend him but if 1 losses their shit over a misunderstanding the SJWs supposedly hate the person
As for this complaint specifically, I haven't seen the movie yet but either way while criticism (even I don't agree) is fine, attacking the artist like that isn't. Yes there are people who seem to be addicted to outrage and over analyse everything to the point where you can find problems in everything.
Sorry but what "yet another relationship" with a male Avenger are they talking about? That thing with Hawkeye? Seriously? He is a comrade in arms, they had zero relationship chemistry other than she cared about him as a friend. Are they really trying to play some romance card with her and him from the first movie?Johnny Novgorod said:
Maybe he referred to Widow/Cap from Cap 2. There's a bit of a will they/won't they in that movie.Happyninja42 said:
And people wonder why I think studios have legitimate reason to fear making a Wonder Woman movie.
Seriously, I've been on about SJ's anger issues over the last few years, but this just continues to spell it out. If you legitimately want more and better female representation, anger and hostility is bad enough, but when it seems to drive someone supportive of your cause into hiding because he "didn't do perfect" you are probably doing more harm than good. Studios already still fear a lack of sales for going a more diverse route. They won't be more open if they keep receiving twitstorms from twitheads for any misstep.
Seriously, I've been on about SJ's anger issues over the last few years, but this just continues to spell it out. If you legitimately want more and better female representation, anger and hostility is bad enough, but when it seems to drive someone supportive of your cause into hiding because he "didn't do perfect" you are probably doing more harm than good. Studios already still fear a lack of sales for going a more diverse route. They won't be more open if they keep receiving twitstorms from twitheads for any misstep.
This absolutely disgusts me, I always try and defend feminists and social justice advocates because most of the time they are pretty decent people (not to mention i'm part of the latter). But shit like this makes it really difficult to do that. It just gives more ammunition the anti-fems and anti-social justice types that they are right.
Hate mob is gonna hate mob I suppose.
Hate mob is gonna hate mob I suppose.
*blinks* Yeah...'cause all those scenes of her trying to set him up with other women at work was so hot and steamy "will they/won't they" dialogue. xD Sorry I just didn't get any vibe from them at all. It was just two coworkers talking about stuff, and supporting each other in a tough time. I guess these days, in movies, if a man and woman show compassion and concern for each other when they are emotionally distraught, it automatically becomes sexual tension, because apparently they can't just show emotions for each other without involving genitals. *sighs*Johnny Novgorod said:
It's an internet thing that does drive me nuts. some people can't accept a man and women being "friends" and insist any friendliness is just subtext for romance and/or sex. Hell, it's why we have Widdow/banner after only a few exchanges on screen before AoU, and Marvel's brief animated movie line went Cap/Widdow.Happyninja42 said:
In short, yes.Silvanus said:
A large majority of people aren't going to go read up on 150 years worth of history, they will base it off their own personal experience and what they see in the media (TV/Newspaper/Websites/Twitter etc).
Unfortunately feminism has a bad public face which can be attributed to instances like this and that many high profile feminists come off as man haters throwing about rhetoric about the patriarchy and other drivel.
According to the majority of things I?ve seen and heard about modern feminism the fact that I'm a white middle aged male means I'm a sexist misogynist rapist who has enjoyed a privileged life due to my sex and skin colour.
Do I believe all feminists are like this? No.
Is it easy to see how someone could hold that opinion? Yes
They do kiss at that one point. I wanted them to get it on the whole movie, they had good chemistry going.Happyninja42 said:
Dude, Drax the Destroyer is a Mandroid custom created by Thanos dad out of a dead human's soul to kill Thanos, he throws down with the Hulk, are you REALLY saying Gamora could whip him easy? Or Groot, the King of Planet X who is both functionally immortal and on at least one occasion tore down a building with his body? Of the Guardians, Gamora could stomp Quill and Rocket and... she did stomp both of them. And Groot, somehow.Benpasko said:
Yeah Movie Gamora was nerfed but so was nearly everyone else. Also Drax could absolutely take Ronan, Annihilation set that up, and the fact he got whomped every time was immensely frustrating even if it was necessary for the plot. This is the same character who when the Shi-ar tried to try him he demanded that Gladiator fight him whenever he was asked to defend himself, as his closing statement and finally when they asked him to decide his execution. He got bailed out by Gamora and Captain Marvel but Drax tried to fist fight Marvel's best homage to Superman and came close.
... also Gamora in current comics has got an equivalent to the Power Cosmic, went Guantanamo Bay on Quill when he wouldn't say what happened to her dead boyfriend Nova and is currently minister of... something, I dunno, Quill kinda got elected president in absentia and is claiming the Guardians as his cabinet until he can talk them out of his being in charge.
Captcha: win hands down, which is oddly appropriate
See I know they're cherrypicking, but I still love these kinds of pictures. They make my flinty black heart feel a little warm inside, all that concentrated negativity.Nirallus said:I'll bite. How is that quip transphobic, let alone unacceptable?KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:The out cry about black widow is absolutely unfounded.Nirallus said:Does it even matter? Any movie or character can be run through the Problem-Matic? in order to manufacture something to be outraged by. And this was a guy who went out of his way to suck up to the "progressive" crowd, and got shit on by them anyways:Fox12 said:
On the other hand making a transphobic statement like he did is pretty much patently not cool, and not acceptable.
Also for everyone's viewing pleasure, here's another hilarious compilation from Joss' Twitter. Maybe his fall from grace started when he failed to chastise Jeremy Renner for making that slut joke and Chris Evans for laughing at it.
Captcha: "way to go donny!"
Donny is out of his element.
Feels nice.
Well, this is quite an ugly mess. Anyone curious about Movie Bob's claims, unless most of these undercover twitter users have been lying in wait for years before posting about Joss Whedon, they legitimately believe what they're saying.
I'm a fan of Joss Whedon, I don't think he's perfect, but overall he does really good. In both quality of his work, and writing good female characters. Acting like this to someone who is a complete advocate of your cause, and at the very least very well intentioned about his efforts is beyond scummy.
I'll just add this to the list of examples of why I hate Twitter. All I see of it nowadays is manufacturing outrage over whatever subject.
Note that Joss Whedon didn't give a reason for why he left twitter, and he's never really liked twitter that much in the first place. He's complained about it a lot before this mess, this is all just speculation by Patton Oswalt
I'm a fan of Joss Whedon, I don't think he's perfect, but overall he does really good. In both quality of his work, and writing good female characters. Acting like this to someone who is a complete advocate of your cause, and at the very least very well intentioned about his efforts is beyond scummy.
I'll just add this to the list of examples of why I hate Twitter. All I see of it nowadays is manufacturing outrage over whatever subject.
Note that Joss Whedon didn't give a reason for why he left twitter, and he's never really liked twitter that much in the first place. He's complained about it a lot before this mess, this is all just speculation by Patton Oswalt
Outrage addicts strike again.
He's probably better off. Twitter's becoming quite the little cancer delivery system.
He's probably better off. Twitter's becoming quite the little cancer delivery system.
I'm honestly not surprised. Twitter is one of the worst things to happen to the internet, even worse than 4Chan.
Yes, I really mean that.
Yes, I really mean that.
MovieBob reviewed the movie recently. He mentioned nothing about sexism or misogyny.Johnny Novgorod said:
PS captcha: high horse Escapist, please, verify that captcha isn't becoming self-aware. It's actually starting to creep me out!
Eh, I didn't have much issue with the Widow/Banner thing. I just chalked it up to them developing a relationship off camera in the 2 years since the events of the first movie. That's perfectly reasonable to me.Redd the Sock said:
They did? Huh, I don't remember that at all. Was it actual attraction? Or was it Widow doing the Femme Fatal routine to accomplish something spyish?Johnny Novgorod said:
Oh, it's very easy to see how people come to the conclusion: it's fairly simplistic and reductionist (so it doesn't need much thinking about); it speaks to pre-existing biases; and it means that they don't need to change how they act (the idea that one is doing absolutely nothing wrong is a very appealing one).Sangnz said:
On that last count, about how "being a white middle aged male" gets you called X, Y and Z, I simply don't believe you. I've never seen that asserted-- not once. Countless times have I seen people act as if they're being accused of sexism/racism/what-have-you simply for being a white man, however, as a deflection of other criticism.