Joss Whedon deletes twitter account following mass of feminist criticism

[Scars Unseen]

Oh god, I can't stop laughing. You mean that people claiming to be feminists tried to tar and feather the guy whose works are most identifiable by two elements: constant banter and "a girl who kicks people's asses?"

Buffy, Faith, River, Echo, and many more just raised their eyebrows.

 

[RJ 17]

*In a pirate voice* Arrrgh! The loyalties of the rabid left be a harsh and fickle mistress!

 

[Scars Unseen]

I wonder how long it takes for people around here to say voluntarily leaving Twitter means you're being censored. I give it a day,

I'd call it sensible myself. There's nothing a company could do on Twitter that can't be just as easily accomplished with a a forums and RSS feed, and for just about everything else, Twitter is just one big toxic waste dump.

LRR had it right. #notontwitter

 

[Souther Thorn]

I wonder how long it takes for people around here to say voluntarily leaving Twitter means you're being censored. I give it a day,

I do wonder how long it will be before we have to discuss redefining 'Censorship' to keep up with the modern communications culture. I've started to think it's moved beyond 'the governmental powers that be taking away your voice or editing your content' (lay definition).

 

[Fdzzaigl]

Never watched an avenger movie. Looking at how little skin is revealed for Black Widow I can't really understand though. As for weak characters, it's a superhero action flick -_-.

We live in a time where every emotion seemingly has to be followed by some sort of reaction, blah. Lol at those blaming it on progressives only, as if I don't read the exact same emotional drivel form the other side every day in the news.

Not on twitter myself either, nor do I ever look on facebook for that matter. Probably means I'm like 0.00001% of my agegroup or something, never felt like I missed much though.

 

[The Bucket]

I wonder how long it takes for people around here to say voluntarily leaving Twitter means you're being censored. I give it a day,

I do wonder how long it will be before we have to discuss redefining 'Censorship' to keep up with the modern communications culture. I've started to think it's moved beyond 'the governmental powers that be taking away your voice or editing your content' (lay definition).

Censorship being purely governmental interference has never been its complete definition. The wikipedia definition is

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

 

[Souther Thorn]

I wonder how long it takes for people around here to say voluntarily leaving Twitter means you're being censored. I give it a day,

I do wonder how long it will be before we have to discuss redefining 'Censorship' to keep up with the modern communications culture. I've started to think it's moved beyond 'the governmental powers that be taking away your voice or editing your content' (lay definition).

Even if you believed that, I doubt what you believe censorship to be would be aaaanywhere near voluntarily choosing to not say something on Twitter.

Personal responsibility is a thing that needs to be remembered. Blaming others for your actions, and accepting responsibility for your actions, those two things are important.

I will say I do believe that there will come a time we'll have to have that discussion, it might be (as seems to be your preference) short and very concise. I think it might be stickier in time. Personal responsibility is a VERY important thing and should be remembered, though I'd say that's a mutual matter, you can say all you'd like that you can't blame anyone else for your actions, but I think there are double standards all over that depending on public support and side of the political spectrum you come down on.

 

[Souther Thorn]

I wonder how long it takes for people around here to say voluntarily leaving Twitter means you're being censored. I give it a day,

I do wonder how long it will be before we have to discuss redefining 'Censorship' to keep up with the modern communications culture. I've started to think it's moved beyond 'the governmental powers that be taking away your voice or editing your content' (lay definition).

Censorship being purely governmental interference has never been its complete definition. The wikipedia definition is

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

Good luck getting any of the groups and institutions involved in this conflict to admit that they ARE a group or institution. When there's a call to arms they're a group or a required public institution. When they're called on their actions they're individuals that are ONLY individuals with common goals.(and I'm keeping that neutral, there are no winners here, everyone is fucking horrible in that conflict)

 

[Benpasko]

Even in other movies, not a lot of truly super females. Even Gamora from Guardians is pretty much just a supremely-trained (slightly cybernetically-enhanced) elite soldier. She isn't *really* a superhero. Nowhere on the same league as the big names.

I was appalled at GotG Gamorra. She's supposed to be a better fighter than Captain America (One of the greatest martial artists in the entire universe, in fact), and she was trained as an assassin by Thanos himself. She could absolutely kill anyone in that movie aside from maybe Ronan. What we got was an ineffectual 'girly' character who was primarily there to be the love interest. I'm not familiar with new Guardians comics, is that what she's become?

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Well, to be fair, Black Widow is kinda' useless. But that's not Joss's fault! That's the character herself. She is literally arm candy for whoever the audience is supposed to like the most in story is. Iron Man, Captain America, Hawkeye, and now Hulk. She is damn near literally passed between the Avengers like a joint.

And that's not Joss's fault! She's simply a product of the 60s. She's a Bond girl, just in Marvel.

 

[Mazinger-Z]

Even in other movies, not a lot of truly super females. Even Gamora from Guardians is pretty much just a supremely-trained (slightly cybernetically-enhanced) elite soldier. She isn't *really* a superhero. Nowhere on the same league as the big names.

I was appalled at GotG Gamorra. She's supposed to be a better fighter than Captain America (One of the greatest martial artists in the entire universe, in fact), and she was trained as an assassin by Thanos himself. She could absolutely kill anyone in that movie aside from maybe Ronan. What we got was an ineffectual 'girly' character who was primarily there to be the love interest. I'm not familiar with new Guardians comics, is that what she's become?

No. [http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/Gamora-2.jpg]

And you have to remember that beyond invading Ronan's ship, there wasn't a lot of actual fighting in Guardians with regards to melee or even ranged personal combat.

The only three physical alteractions involving Gamorra are on Xandar, in which she was supposed to be clandestinely operating, the prison break at the Clench or whatever, and on Ronan's ship, in which she fought what I affectionately call the Putty Patrollers. Beyond that, there was no physical combat for exemplifying her abilities as above.

And remember, she's supposed to be a 'good' character for the audience, which meant making her sympathetic and curbing her homicidal tendencies.

 

[Casual Shinji]

I was appalled at GotG Gamorra. She's supposed to be a better fighter than Captain America (One of the greatest martial artists in the entire universe, in fact), and she was trained as an assassin by Thanos himself. She could absolutely kill anyone in that movie aside from maybe Ronan. What we got was an ineffectual 'girly' character who was primarily there to be the love interest. I'm not familiar with new Guardians comics, is that what she's become?

Yeah, Gamorra got pretty shafted in Guardians, and I'm not even familiar with the character. And it's not even her capabilities as a fighter, because the fight scenes she does get show that she can throw down well enough. The real problem is that she doesn't get a teaspoon's worth of the personality that the other members got. Like, she's supposed to have been trained as a living weapon, yet she spends most of her time being all concerned and worried about the safety of others. And then there's the scene in the jail where she acts like a frightened little rabbit, and all I'm thinking is 'Shouldn't these inmates be totally trivial to her considering what she is?'

I still really like this movie, but Gamorra just didn't work that well.

 

[Bizzaro Stormy]

So a guy makes a really long popcorn movie with an ensemble cast and folks pitch a fit because he has two of the characters show some internalized pain to each other over the fact that they can't have normal lives. Since one of them was a woman and she was talking to the man she loves, clearly she's a helpless damsel in distress. By the way, Whedon hates trans people because he is aware of the basic physical differences between men and women.

I don't blame him for shutting down his twitter account. Maybe he's starting to realize that his quirky writing style has gotten him more than a few fans who are completely nuts? I can't say I like all his works, and I can't say I agree with many of his publicly stated opinions, but I do agree with him wanting to get out of the sewer that is twitter. It's seemingly designed for people to post their thoughts to the world without taking any time to consider how others might react. The 140 character limit also makes many of the tweets and responses I've seen posted in these forums look rather baffling. Hopefully he has the sense not to make another account.

 

[Hopper9]

Is anyone surprised?

It's been like this for a few years. The SJW's turn on anyone who doesn't do exactly what they like, regardless of his past support, regardless of his experience and talent in the area which they do not possess, and they attack him. They always do.

But it's anti-feminists who are the arseholes.

Anyone who could rip on Joss Whedon for not being able to write strong female characters with interesting arcs clearly has NO idea what they are talking about. That is pretty much ALL Joss Whedon did in the nineties with Buffy.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I wish Movie Bob was still around just to see how the fuck he'd spin this one.

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I'm confused, what aspect of her character is being criticized?

For what it's worth, this is from Matt Zoller Seitz's review of Ultron:

The film will do nothing to quell complaints that the superhero genre is sexist: Black Widow is involved in yet another relationship with a male Avenger and burdened with a tragic backstory equating motherhood with womanly fulfillment, and while Scarlet Witch has some pleasingly Carrie-like rampages, she isn't given enough to do.

http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/avengers-age-of-ultron-2015

He's given his opinion on Twitter
http://imgur.com/dGvmixB
Turns out all those accounts with thousands of tweets slamming Whedon are elaborately constructed GG channer sockpuppets, because at this point there is nothing you cant assuage your own doubts by blaming them with.

That man is as far deep into his own self-assuring delusion as the guy at the end of Brazil.