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Bulletinmybrain

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TheNecroswanson said:
SeaCalMaster said:
You know what? I think this thread needs more arguments. So, without further ado,

0.999.... (i.e. stretching off into infinity) is exactly equal to 1.

Discuss.
It may as well be. I mean, it requires something incalculable to actually make it 1.
If .000000000000000001 of a piece of you was missing, you'd never know.
Unless that part was somehow part of your brain which causes another part to fail and so on and so on.
 

The Anti Noob

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Kinda unrelated, but i just had a thought. what if people as a species are so close minded, we CAN'T believe what we don't want to believe.
 

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The Anti Noob said:
Kinda unrelated, but i just had a thought. what if people as a species are so close minded, we CAN'T believe what we don't want to believe.
A massive black hole appears and eats them.
 

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SeaCalMaster said:
You know what? I think this thread needs more arguments. So, without further ado,

0.999.... (i.e. stretching off into infinity) is exactly equal to 1.

Discuss.
A large portion of Calculus is dependent on that being the case or at least being close enough that it does not matter. Actually when calculus was developed there was a huge arguement over infantismals (the technical term for the concept described) because some mathmeticians would not accept that Newton and Leibniz would just throw them out of their calculations because they were so small.
 

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hazakura said:
I was watching 'Penn and Teller BS!' It was about dolphins having spiritual and healing powers.It got me thinking,How do people believe these things? After watching commercials I something else,
Footpads that "Draw the bad energy out of you" And I just burst out in laughter.It was based on Ancient Japanese Healing,Which, is unlikely to be really helpful.Look at dark age Europe,They believed Dirt helped your health,Being surrounded by fire would save you from the Plague.
Now I'm really starting to think,Are people just stupid or looking for a nice placebo effect?
These are not based on Real research,come from questionable sources,and go against common sense.
And people are still buying it! Liston,I'm not trying to start a flame war,but How do people Believe these?

And if anybody Else has heard of these "New age medicine" And "Spiritual Healing"
That are just plan Stupid,please post them here,they'll give me a good laugh.
I agree with alot of your point's, but the fire actually did help keep you from being plagued, the airborne and rat and flea germ's could not survive that close to the heat at that temperture.
I = Medieval Geek
 

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chaostheory said:
SeaCalMaster said:
You know what? I think this thread needs more arguments. So, without further ado,

0.999.... (i.e. stretching off into infinity) is exactly equal to 1.

Discuss.
A larbe portion of Calculus is dependent on that being the case or at least being close enough that it does not matter. Actually when calculus was developed there was a hube arguement over infantismals (the technical term for the concept described) because some mathmeticians would not accept that Newton and Liebniz (I know thats the wrong name please correct me if you know it) would just throw them out of their calculations because they were so small.
They would not throw them out, more likely if they coudn't get 100% result then they would have most likely still publish it though.
 

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Aries_Split said:
hazakura said:
I was watching 'Penn and Teller BS!' It was about dolphins having spiritual and healing powers.It got me thinking,How do people believe these things? After watching commercials I something else,
Footpads that "Draw the bad energy out of you" And I just burst out in laughter.It was based on Ancient Japanese Healing,Which, is unlikely to be really helpful.Look at dark age Europe,They believed Dirt helped your health,Being surrounded by fire would save you from the Plague.
Now I'm really starting to think,Are people just stupid or looking for a nice placebo effect?
These are not based on Real research,come from questionable sources,and go against common sense.
And people are still buying it! Liston,I'm not trying to start a flame war,but How do people Believe these?

And if anybody Else has heard of these "New age medicine" And "Spiritual Healing"
That are just plan Stupid,please post them here,they'll give me a good laugh.
I agree with alot of your point's, but the fire actually did help keep you from being plagued, the airborne and rat and flea germ's could not survive that close to the heat at that temperture.
I = Medieval Geek
And the fact they could not pass through the fires..
 

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my friend met a guy who told him that Canada was in the dark ages and we lived in igloos and had snow all year round, the funny part is they were standing on the shores of the detroit river, even funnier is detroit is north of windsor :)
Dude, that surprises you? As an Australian, I apparently sound like Steve Irwin, and go to school and in a Kangaroo!
well the fact that the guy who was saying that about canada lived across the river from canada
 

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People believe in stuff because they don't want to think about what would happen if they dont believe in it.

e.g. People believe in heaven because they don't want to believe that nothing happens to them when they die.

People don't believe in global warming because they don't want to believe that there lifestyles will kill everyone in less then 20 years
personally, i'm not a fan of the global warming hype.

Its main evidence has been proven full of omitted data and band-wagon scientists.

Want to know how global warming started? Marie curie made it up to push nuclear power into prominence in britain... To me, its both founded and driven by political motives, and sensationalist journalism.

Do i think we should stop polluting? yes, we should reduce emissions and conserve the planet... but not from some idea that we are causing a completely natural cycle to accelerate or even are the cause of that change.
 

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This is amazing. For a thread to be so controversial. The debates are based on knowledge that wasn't made up on the spot, and surprisingly, topic is still open.


Permission to begin the baseless, racist criticism that come eventually with every politically unsound thread?


Someone explain to me the 0.9999... = 1 theory (yes, theory). My teachers hit he upside the head with it, yet, it doesn't make sense. Wouldn't such only be true if numbers were finite?
 

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Bulletinmybrain said:
The Anti Noob said:
Kinda unrelated, but i just had a thought. what if people as a species are so close minded, we CAN'T believe what we don't want to believe.
A massive black hole appears and eats them.
Aww man *gets eaten by a giant black hole*
*floating in eternity* I figured it out! This is the realm of suck!
 

Tiut

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I don't understand why we discuss this stuff anyway.


What with the world ending in 2012. :)
 

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Tiut said:
This is amazing. For a thread to be so controversial. The debates are based on knowledge that wasn't made up on the spot, and surprisingly, topic is still open.


Permission to begin the baseless, racist criticism that come eventually with every politically unsound thread?


Someone explain to me the 0.9999... = 1 theory (yes, theory). My teachers hit he upside the head with it, yet, it doesn't make sense. Wouldn't such only be true if numbers were finite?
they are functionally and quantitatively no different

0.99999... and 1 are for all intents and purposes, in every respect apart from name the same number, adding 0.9999... and adding 1 is the same action, but one is easier to write.

It does not mean that somewhere out there it magically becomes one, it means that it is so damn close, infinitely close, that it makes no difference in any calculation you might perform with them. (don't use a calculator to test this, they will round it off at some point ruining the effect)

0.9999 is 1 in value, or so close as not to make a difference even in the cold logical plains of math-world.
 

The Anti Noob

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Ultrajoe said:
Tiut said:
This is amazing. For a thread to be so controversial. The debates are based on knowledge that wasn't made up on the spot, and surprisingly, topic is still open.


Permission to begin the baseless, racist criticism that come eventually with every politically unsound thread?


Someone explain to me the 0.9999... = 1 theory (yes, theory). My teachers hit he upside the head with it, yet, it doesn't make sense. Wouldn't such only be true if numbers were finite?
they are functionally and quantitatively no different

0.99999... and 1 are for all intents and purposes, in every respect apart from name the same number, adding 0.9999... and adding 1 is the same action, but one is easier to write.

It does not mean that somewhere out there it magically becomes one, it means that it is so damn close, infinitely close, that it makes no difference in any calculation you might perform with them. (don't use a calculator to test this, they will round it off at some point ruining the effect)

0.9999 is 1 in value, or so close as not to make a difference even in the cold logical plains of math-world.
Impressive, my math teacher last year gave the same argument.
 

SeaCalMaster

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Awww, no one's biting. Usually when you say that on the Internet someone comes along and says "No way! Their differnt numbers! OMG!!!!!!11" Oh well. Maybe Australia's just more civil. How ironic.

EDIT: By the way, it is not a theory, it is a theorem. Math deals with universal truths.
 

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Im not going to read through 5 pages, so this may have already been said, but "New Age Medicine" is just as crazy as the stuff you consider normal. Most of the drugs we take regularly that are KNOWN to work, we have no idea HOW they work. Are their "Magic Pads" any stupider than your "Magic Pills"? No body knows how an IB Profin works. But people take it because it does. Many things accepted as true make no sense and sound downright retarded on paper. Take this one: There is a unprovable mystic force which stops people from floating away. You take Gravity as a fact, despite the fact that you cannot prove it. So dont write off "New Age Medine" all as wrong if you don't get firsthand accounts.

Bit off topic, but it was on my mind.
 

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Soulfein said:
Im not going to read through 5 pages, so this may have already been said, but "New Age Medicine" is just as crazy as the stuff you consider normal. Most of the drugs we take regularly that are KNOWN to work, we have no idea HOW they work. Are their "Magic Pads" any stupider than your "Magic Pills"? No body knows how an IB Profin works. But people take it because it does. Many things accepted as true make no sense and sound downright retarded on paper. Take this one: There is a unprovable mystic force which stops people from floating away. You take Gravity as a fact, despite the fact that you cannot prove it. So dont write off "New Age Medine" all as wrong if you don't get firsthand accounts.

Bit off topic, but it was on my mind.
A solid point. However, The fact is, if you did extensive research, you can find out how things work. For instance (btw, I learned this in 6th grade) painkillers like Ibuprofen block the neural signals for pain sent through the nerves in your skin and muscles, effectively killing the pain. However, when you try to prove new age stuff, you wind up disroving it instead. Do some research and you will find this.
 

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Oh noes, more 0.9bar = 1 again?
Mathematically speaking, it's not. Practically speaking, it is.
Bringing infinitesimal and calculus only allow you to throw out something if it IS zero. That is, math works a bit like circular logic (just like a lot of physics)--that is, you allow something to go to 0 or infinity because that produce the expected result, not because it is true. If you want to stick with calculus though, try looking up "asymptotes". Now do a 1/n, where n->infinity. There you go, something that is infinitely close to 0, and yet is not 0.

As for the new age crap/spiritual healing stuff.. Personally I think a lot of it is BS. But placebo effect IS a psychological effect, and it can be stronger than most anticipated. Most doctors agree that stress can kill. Well.. if some whacky placebo effect keeps you from being stressed, would that not in turn drop your chance of getting a heart attack? Who knows, maybe you'll even feel stronger and start going out for exercise, which helps even more!
And don't mess with acupuncture. Anything dealing with the nerves has adverse effects, and may help/kill you easily. Afterall, a KO in a boxing ring is nothing more than extensive trauma to the brain that sends nasty signals to the nerves. So stimulating the nervous system itself could very well produce very strong result.
 

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Soulfein said:
I'm not going to read through 5 pages, so this may have already been said, but "New Age Medicine" is just as crazy as the stuff you consider normal. With most of the drugs we take regularly that are KNOWN to work, we have no idea HOW they work. Are their "Magic Pads" any stupider than your "Magic Pills"? No body knows how an IB Profin works, but people take it because it does. Many things accepted as true make no sense and sound downright retarded on paper. Take this one: There is an unprovable mystic force which stops people from floating away. You take Gravity as a fact, despite the fact that you cannot prove it. So don't write off "New Age Medicine" all as wrong if you don't get firsthand accounts.

Bit off topic, but it was on my mind.
"IB Profin?" Do you mean ibuprofen?

From Wikipedia: "Ibuprofen is an NSAID which is believed to work through inhibition of cyclooxygenase (COX), thus inhibiting prostaglandin synthesis. There are at least 2 variants of cyclooxygenase (COX-1 and COX-2). Ibuprofen inhibits both COX-1 and COX-2. It appears that its analgesic, antipyretic, and anti-inflammatory activity are achieved principally through COX-2 inhibition; whereas COX-1 inhibition is responsible for its unwanted effects on platelet aggregation and the GI mucosa. The role of the individual COX isoforms in the analgesic, anti-inflammatory and gastric damage effects of NSAIDs is uncertain and different compounds cause different degrees of analgesia and gastric damage."

So, yes, we do at least have an idea of how it works. As for the other scientific theories, the reason we accept them is because we have gathered enough evidence to support them beyond a reasonable doubt. While it is true that you cannot "prove" anything in science, the probability that something like the Law of Gravity is wrong is so negligibly small that it would be more likely for everyone on Earth to suddenly become completely and incurably insane. In contrast, very few studies support alternative medicine; most of those that do have terrible methodology and fail to account for all possible explanations.

By the way, I'm curious as to what you mean by "firsthand accounts." Do you mean anecdotal evidence? I certainly hope not.
 

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SeaCalMaster said:
Awww, no one's biting. Usually when you say that on the Internet someone comes along and says "No way! Their differnt numbers! OMG!!!!!!11" Oh well. Maybe Australia's just more civil. How ironic.

EDIT: By the way, it is not a theory, it is a theorem. Math deals with universal truths.
Why are saying Australia is more civil, this sight caters to a pretty global audiance, and I think the actual magizine is based in North America. This sight just seems to attract more intellectual people.

If you want to really drive people crazy try and explain either wave-paritcal duality, or that the speed of light in a vacume is constant no matter how fast you moving and that time will warp to keep it that way, aka the basic premise for special relativity.