Keep Gaming For Gamers
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If we kept gaming for gamers, gaming would die. Were you born a gamer? Did they have to cut the umbilical cord and unplug the controller? No, of course not. I've been playing games since before I could talk. In fact, my first words were "biggle-biggle" from the pause sound in Super Mario Bros: All Stars. How would I have been introduced had my older sibling not been a casual gamer?
MY oppinion has been made known, now you must all bow your heads.
Bow, dammit!
MY oppinion has been made known, now you must all bow your heads.
Bow, dammit!
Name one good game and then try and argue it is entirely for hardcore gamers. (do not say Ninja Gaiden)
RPG'S are probably the games least effected by the current trend, but there will always be casual and "hardcore" games, you can always play on the hardest difficulty if you find a game too "casual" for you.
RPG'S are probably the games least effected by the current trend, but there will always be casual and "hardcore" games, you can always play on the hardest difficulty if you find a game too "casual" for you.
Now if only there was some way to generate a lot of revenue...maybe by selling a product that's cheap to produce and that lots of people buy...what could that be...The_Deleted post=18.72125.749039 said:
I own a Wii and a DS and I know what you mean about some of the shoddy attempts at games, I really do.
But I must protest that I'd also group Guitar Hero/Rock Band with the same "games" that are spoiling it for the elite few, like yourself. I'm personally not a fan of said games, but many "hardcore gamers" are.
I'd say games are already in the mainstream, have been for some time now and your rant is a little too late. Good shot though!
But I must protest that I'd also group Guitar Hero/Rock Band with the same "games" that are spoiling it for the elite few, like yourself. I'm personally not a fan of said games, but many "hardcore gamers" are.
I'd say games are already in the mainstream, have been for some time now and your rant is a little too late. Good shot though!
Don't worry, eventually some dev locked away in the bowels of E.A's dungeons will churn out E.T. 2 to the masses and the industry will reset itself after it crashes again.
You know you're an old gamer when you can remember actually trying to play that abomination on your Atari. >.>
You know you're an old gamer when you can remember actually trying to play that abomination on your Atari. >.>
Well gaming is going to go mainstream if you like it or not. What that'll do to the actual quality of the games I'm not sure, but it's likely quality levels will plummit.
I'm getting tired of this dichotomy. Elitist/Hardcore vs. casual/mainstream. There are good and bad mainstream games just as there are good and bad hardcore games. And there will always be good and bad games in either category. Besides, I would rather play a good 'casual' game than a crappy 'hardcore' game. And which divine being decides whether a game is 'casual' or not? The godess of reviews and ratings? The god of sales figures? The patron saint of utter randomness? Your mum? Or some internettwat with a Messiah complex...? Stop being such a pompous prick and play the games you like, regardless of their 'casual'-factor. Gaming is for fun, it's not about getting worked up because Wii Sport Resorts outsells Okami.
To give an example: I like Dwarf Fortress just as much as I like Mario Kart Wii (btw, if you do believe in this dichotomy and you haven't played Dwarf Fortress (or a random roguelike), you're absolutely casual!). I don't have this nagging voice in my head laughing at me when playing Mario Kart Wii, nor do I feel 'good', 'supreme' or 'smart' when playing Dwarf Fortress. And sure, I don't like Wii Sports Resorts, but I don't like the Diablo franchise as well.
Your own personal taste is more important than this black and white belief in mainstream=bad and hardcore=good.
And btw, I'm fully embracing my Wii. Every time my girlfriend invites a dozen of her friends over they'll spot the Wii and want to get going with it. A living room full of Wii-ing girls is a magnificent sight and I don't care it's brought along by so-called 'casual' games. Especially if you turn the central heating a couple of notches higher...
To give an example: I like Dwarf Fortress just as much as I like Mario Kart Wii (btw, if you do believe in this dichotomy and you haven't played Dwarf Fortress (or a random roguelike), you're absolutely casual!). I don't have this nagging voice in my head laughing at me when playing Mario Kart Wii, nor do I feel 'good', 'supreme' or 'smart' when playing Dwarf Fortress. And sure, I don't like Wii Sports Resorts, but I don't like the Diablo franchise as well.
Your own personal taste is more important than this black and white belief in mainstream=bad and hardcore=good.
And btw, I'm fully embracing my Wii. Every time my girlfriend invites a dozen of her friends over they'll spot the Wii and want to get going with it. A living room full of Wii-ing girls is a magnificent sight and I don't care it's brought along by so-called 'casual' games. Especially if you turn the central heating a couple of notches higher...
Hmm In england a room full of Wiiing girls has a certain different meaning, personally you would make a fortune on certain specialist websites!t0mme post=18.72125.749209 said:
I'm surprised no one's really commenting on this. Even though I just read it, that article is way sexy. Good find, poleboy.poleboy post=18.72125.749008 said:
Even before reading poleboy's sexy, sexy article, I was already well on my way to disagreeing with you.The_Deleted post=18.72125.748985 said:
First thing's first:
In for the chicken, in for the coup is not a good way to plunge someone into a market. Genuinely think, as hard as you can, about a game like... we'll say EVE Online [http://upload.0x1011.org/files/LearningCurve.jpg], as your first video game. With the setup of that game, you'd very likely feel alienated before you even got started. The more higher-skilled players that attempt to explain but fail, the worse off you start to feel.
Imagine if your first venture into "hardcore" gaming was that alienating. You'd likely never play games, on the nature that it's too frustrating or difficult. (Hell, I did that for "I Want To Be The Guy," as well as the fact that I didn't find it fun or appealing in the least.)
Do you honestly want to say because you got baby-steps and they didn't, they're less qualified to be lumped in the same category as you? If that is, then congratulations: You're pretentious!
Assuming I misread you, which is very likely the case, then at least approach the industry with some more understanding. Games like Galaga [http://www.smiliegames.com/galaga/] paved the way for games like Ikaruga [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGNSdcy-apU]. Saying that games like Galaga shouldn't exist because they lack depth is... absurd.
Oh, and another thing... Why hasn't the Wii sold to hardcore gamers? Just for giggles, head to your local game store and ask anyone, even if they know their stuff about gaming, and ask them what age group the Wii is for. They'll all swear up-and-down it's a useless system, child's games and elderly people and not much else. So anyone who would normally buy one only falls in those age groups. Think there's a reason Rock Band and Okami aren't selling for the Wii?
Because gamers of that tier either never bought one, or got rid of it before they knew what was going on. Frankly, Nintendo's strategies have alienated the 'hardcore' kids by not clearly explaining what was up, but that doesn't mean they aren't still looking at them. Games like Okami prove it.
Stop looking at gaming, and the newer gamers, like they were a blight on the system. They're instead just a different target audience.
Besides, the Wii has good games, just no one bothers owning one long enough to find them. The 'hardcore' market certainly isn't saturated, but that doesn't mean it's not available. Just look.
And read poleboy's article [http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html].
I agree with the good gentlemAn. We don't want video games, the last bastion of the intelligent and the creative to start pandering to the stupid massses.
While TV and popular music (except Tool, Tool are totally awesome while being totally popular. Like Jesus Christ) have always catered to the lowest common deominator, video games have always appealed to well.. how can I put this? A better class of people.
While TV and popular music (except Tool, Tool are totally awesome while being totally popular. Like Jesus Christ) have always catered to the lowest common deominator, video games have always appealed to well.. how can I put this? A better class of people.
I dunno this is always a silly debate or discussion whener it comes up.. I know what your saying, its all about quality control. DOn't want the masses to ruin the overall level of play by pushing out just about anything..like what reality TV did to prime time television and brought in some of the highest ratings of all time...
But to me i think it has alot to do with tecnology as well. It changes fast and i always felt quailty of games represent that as well. Not like we've been locked into the cartridge days of 8 16 32 or 64 bit the last 10+ years small steps..gaming nowadays is growing by HUGE leaps and bounds very quickly. last gen console launches before they were all pushed to their capable limits is a far cry from where the bars rests today. Were talking sixasis, wii motes..dual layered dvds, HD processing. Im sure we'll all be fine. Could take more then 3 yeras or so.. it usually does. I don't think we've seen what any of these console can truly do yet.
But to me i think it has alot to do with tecnology as well. It changes fast and i always felt quailty of games represent that as well. Not like we've been locked into the cartridge days of 8 16 32 or 64 bit the last 10+ years small steps..gaming nowadays is growing by HUGE leaps and bounds very quickly. last gen console launches before they were all pushed to their capable limits is a far cry from where the bars rests today. Were talking sixasis, wii motes..dual layered dvds, HD processing. Im sure we'll all be fine. Could take more then 3 yeras or so.. it usually does. I don't think we've seen what any of these console can truly do yet.