Kid Becomes "Little Zangief" in Response to Bullying
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I disagree. The first two girls were useless in the situation. From the looks, she seemed to have begun to step over to them when Casey did his piledriver. What may need to be seen is what happened after the camera stopped rolling. I mean, seriously... What do you do when you see someone thrown down to cause an earthquake and Tsunami in Japan?Ushario said:
heh nice 1 Casey as we all know turning the other cheek just increases bullying against you. Though reading some responses think I may have had a decent teacher who caught my fight when I snapped and whaled on the bully. She stopped us asked what happened. I said I snapped she told me ok go back outside and as I left heard her yell to the bully "WHAT DID YOU DO TO MAKE HIM GO OFF THE RAILS LIKE THAT!?!
Never got bullied again
Never got bullied again
I am suprised that there are so many ppl telling that the bullied kid should have done things differently. He should have walked away, he should have told parents, he should have tried to reason with the bully, he should have talked with the teachers, he should sprouted wings and flown away, etc. NO. The only thing he should do is to stay in school, pay attention in class, and do his homework. Period. Full stop.
I can't for my life understand how some ppl think the ball is somehow in the bullied kids court, that the bullied kid is somehow in control of the situation when it could not be further from the truth. No, I only see a couple "should not's". The bully should not start shit with someone who could crush him like a paper cup, thinking of it the bully should not shit with anyone regardless of any crushing potential or lack thereof, the bully should not threaten witnesses with rape and beating, the bully should not be an asshat. There problably are a bunch more of should not's in there, but you get the gist.
As I said in the other thread, what we saw was an optimal outcome, a win-win-win scenario. A bully got his ass kicked, and maybe, however remote the chance, reflects on what happened and decides to change his ways. A bullied kid finds his strenght, and realizes that he is not helpless which might help save his selfesteem, and in the long run make a good, productive citizen out of him. And this has generated a modicum of awareness of this situation which many kids live under, which in turn possibly, maybe, if the stars align correctly, gets ppl to reflect over this currently prevailing "poor bully does not know better/understand his strenght/just acts out/boys will be boys/yaddayadda" apologetic behaviour of parents/teachers/et al.
I can't for my life understand how some ppl think the ball is somehow in the bullied kids court, that the bullied kid is somehow in control of the situation when it could not be further from the truth. No, I only see a couple "should not's". The bully should not start shit with someone who could crush him like a paper cup, thinking of it the bully should not shit with anyone regardless of any crushing potential or lack thereof, the bully should not threaten witnesses with rape and beating, the bully should not be an asshat. There problably are a bunch more of should not's in there, but you get the gist.
As I said in the other thread, what we saw was an optimal outcome, a win-win-win scenario. A bully got his ass kicked, and maybe, however remote the chance, reflects on what happened and decides to change his ways. A bullied kid finds his strenght, and realizes that he is not helpless which might help save his selfesteem, and in the long run make a good, productive citizen out of him. And this has generated a modicum of awareness of this situation which many kids live under, which in turn possibly, maybe, if the stars align correctly, gets ppl to reflect over this currently prevailing "poor bully does not know better/understand his strenght/just acts out/boys will be boys/yaddayadda" apologetic behaviour of parents/teachers/et al.
If you haven't been in Casey's situation then you can lecture all you want and might be right on a lot of points, but don't ever forget that you don't fully understand his situation. I have no remorse whatsoever for that bully. If he had died I wouldn't have felt a single twitch. As PA says, "You will cease to be the tormentor of the moment and will instead become the red and leaping Devil, a vessel for human evil as a generality, an amalgamation. That is to say, not human. You will become an object. An icon."
He would have been killed by his own monster. All the congratulations in the world should be given to Casey. He took control of his life and did the world a favor at the same time. The idea that he's being punished at all, that ANY other recourse, even alerting the school staff, would have been a fraction as effective or just, is ridiculous. Until adults stop walking on egg-shells around each other and their exploitable, word-before-spirit legal systems and relearn the value of real discipline we're going to have entire generations of ego-bloated children capable of getting away with just about anything.
Of course, if he lets it go to his head and becomes the abuser then karma should come back to bite him just the same.
P.S. I can see the hypocrisy. There's nothing fallacious about a smoker telling you that smoking is bad for you.
He would have been killed by his own monster. All the congratulations in the world should be given to Casey. He took control of his life and did the world a favor at the same time. The idea that he's being punished at all, that ANY other recourse, even alerting the school staff, would have been a fraction as effective or just, is ridiculous. Until adults stop walking on egg-shells around each other and their exploitable, word-before-spirit legal systems and relearn the value of real discipline we're going to have entire generations of ego-bloated children capable of getting away with just about anything.
Of course, if he lets it go to his head and becomes the abuser then karma should come back to bite him just the same.
P.S. I can see the hypocrisy. There's nothing fallacious about a smoker telling you that smoking is bad for you.
Despite what others say, there are two basic options that Casey could have gone for here:
#1 - Let the bully punch him until he gets tired, or until he can get away. This has the advantage of having the moral high-ground, but has the disadvantage of possible increased bullying and some kind of injury: lets not forget that the bully was punching him in the face. He's small, but he's still going to hurt someone.
#2 - Retaliate with violence. This doesn't give you the moral high-ground, but nine times out of ten it ends the bullying immediately, but can make the bullying worse if the guy has a big-brother or friends who want to earn the credit for beating up the guy who beat their friend up.
Only one of these is a real option for ending the bullying. The rest is just learning to live with it: bullies get bored of the same thing so I imagine if Casey let them punch him they'd eventually do something a lot worse to get a reaction out of him.
I'm not saying what Casey did was morally right, but what I'm saying is that I believe what he did was best for him.
At the very least, he could get a career from television advertising using that fame by pile-driving a fridge-freezer into a living-room and screaming "CASEY SAYS BUY!"
#1 - Let the bully punch him until he gets tired, or until he can get away. This has the advantage of having the moral high-ground, but has the disadvantage of possible increased bullying and some kind of injury: lets not forget that the bully was punching him in the face. He's small, but he's still going to hurt someone.
#2 - Retaliate with violence. This doesn't give you the moral high-ground, but nine times out of ten it ends the bullying immediately, but can make the bullying worse if the guy has a big-brother or friends who want to earn the credit for beating up the guy who beat their friend up.
Only one of these is a real option for ending the bullying. The rest is just learning to live with it: bullies get bored of the same thing so I imagine if Casey let them punch him they'd eventually do something a lot worse to get a reaction out of him.
I'm not saying what Casey did was morally right, but what I'm saying is that I believe what he did was best for him.
At the very least, he could get a career from television advertising using that fame by pile-driving a fridge-freezer into a living-room and screaming "CASEY SAYS BUY!"
I don't see the controversy. We're constantly telling kids to stand up for themselves, endorsing karate and judo lessons, and a kid actually does something and everyone is in a uproar? Our society is fucking awful.
So we're celebrating and praising a kid for pile-driving a smaller kid into the ground? I don't think it was completely unjustified, but Casey could have killed the kid, there's no reason to praise him, and definitely no reason to make a crappy meme out of him. If anything this video should have blown over within a day. Personally, I feel bad for everyone involved, and yes, that includes the bully.
I know this is from the first page, but this sums up my opinion as well. I don't think should've thrown the kid to the ground, but something had to be done. The kid was punching him in the face.Matt_LRR said:
You're silly, like a lot of other people. Yes the kid could have been killed, but it was his fault. Did he have to initiate conflict with Casey? Did he have to be a bully? Did he have to ask his friends to watch him fight? He went after Casey most likely because Casey had turned his back multiple times.Dango said:
If you poke a poisonous snake until it strikes, that is not the snake's fault, it is your fault for being a moron.
It's really hard to take someone's opinion seriously when they don't know what they're talking about.Dango said:
What we all saw was a bodyslam, not to be mistaken with a powerslam, and certainly not a goddamned piledriver. Five minutes in Youtube would clear up any confusion, but why do that when you can just jabber?Wikipedia" said:
BODYSLAM:
I'm going to agree with you on the restraint issue. The bully could have ended up with far worse injuries, but Casey decided to stop with the body slam. I'm surprised that there aren't more people who are praising him for his self-control.dibblywibbles said: