Kingdom Hearts Changes
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Call it what you will. I'm more there for the Disney characters, anyway, but certainly Square Enix could take the worlds of their own franchise in new directions for the sake of the storyline in a way they probably couldn't with Disney worlds. I think this would be acceptable, yes?LordNue said:It's not nostalgia if they're just putting in modern and most popular FF characters.ParadoxBG said:Yeah, but that's KH's thing as a series. I love it as much as the next guy, DGMW, but its appeal is in nostalgia, for FF and for Disney movies. I think they could pull it off, personallyJamienra said:
i want too want it to be more like KH1 where its centered more on sora and his problems not every freakin disney movie. i would also like the keyblades to be better as the game goes on cause i just got the 1 from hercules and that one held me off till oblivion then fenrir.
no more FF enough fan service!
Jamienra ur avatar is awesome.
no more FF enough fan service!
Jamienra ur avatar is awesome.
only kairi never turned into a hartless so she never got a nobody meaning ...PLOT HOLELordNue said:
and no in KH1 she wasn't a hartless either her heart was inside sora the whole game not in a heartless or whatever...lol
Simplified combat. As in, take it back to the KH1 formula. I can't stress this enough. I mean, in KH1, it never got much more complicated than continuous strings of Keyblade strikes. The big, flashy finishers, Sonic Blade, Strike Raid, Ragnarok, Ars Arcanum and Trinity Limit, were available any time you had the energy to use them, and when you did, you could see everything that was going on. You knew you were dealing out some heavy damage.
KHII was just... Messy. It started off well enough, but by the time you reach the end of the game, Sora's loaded down with so many different "special moves" and combo modifiers that you can barely tell what's going on when you fight. You're just mashing buttons, moving from one flashy screen-filling combo to the next. I think what happened here was that Square was less concerned with building a solid battle system and more concerned with building a battle system that felt cinematic, a point that's emphasized by the inclusion of "action commands".
If battles that look like they belong in Final Fantasy: Advent Children are your thing, more power to you... But if I had my way, I'd take things back to the way they were, when you felt like you had more control.
Also, no more pre-FFVII characters. It's not that I don't like these characters, because I do... It's just that I can't stand to see Nomura bastardize them any further.
Look at the other characters. Cloud? Basically the same as his VII version. Squall? Essentially the same. Cid? Notably less vulgar, but still essentially the same guy. So why did Nomura feel the need to completely destroy Setzer's character design and attitude? I mean, is it favoritism or something?
If Nomura is going to completely disrespect everything that makes the pre-VII characters awesome, I'd rather they not be included at all.
KHII was just... Messy. It started off well enough, but by the time you reach the end of the game, Sora's loaded down with so many different "special moves" and combo modifiers that you can barely tell what's going on when you fight. You're just mashing buttons, moving from one flashy screen-filling combo to the next. I think what happened here was that Square was less concerned with building a solid battle system and more concerned with building a battle system that felt cinematic, a point that's emphasized by the inclusion of "action commands".
If battles that look like they belong in Final Fantasy: Advent Children are your thing, more power to you... But if I had my way, I'd take things back to the way they were, when you felt like you had more control.
Also, no more pre-FFVII characters. It's not that I don't like these characters, because I do... It's just that I can't stand to see Nomura bastardize them any further.
Look at the other characters. Cloud? Basically the same as his VII version. Squall? Essentially the same. Cid? Notably less vulgar, but still essentially the same guy. So why did Nomura feel the need to completely destroy Setzer's character design and attitude? I mean, is it favoritism or something?
If Nomura is going to completely disrespect everything that makes the pre-VII characters awesome, I'd rather they not be included at all.
wait if kairi's heart was inside of sora during the first one, wouldn't that lifeless puppet be her nobody? ehh i guess a wizard did it.
OT: i kinda felt like in KH2 the battles fought themselves. all i had to do was push X once in a while and sora would do some crazy spinning flipping shit and kill everything. i only actually had to try for sephiroth and xemnas. higher diffifulty would be a major plus. more exploration would be really cool too. seriously, at the end of KH2 sora could practically fly anywhere he wanted to go and all he got to do was "glide" from one end of the hallway to the other. a union of sorts of the FF bosses would be cool too. kinda like all of the disney baddies in the first one, but with golbez (kinda) and kefka and ultimecia.
EDIT: to spacespoons, i would assume he destroyed setzer's character because the vast majority of people who are buying KH1/2 never played any FF before 7. he wanted to appease the fans of the early series by including an old favorite, but needed him to fit a certain role in the story. he tried to make everyone happy, its just a shame he failed so miserably at it.
OT: i kinda felt like in KH2 the battles fought themselves. all i had to do was push X once in a while and sora would do some crazy spinning flipping shit and kill everything. i only actually had to try for sephiroth and xemnas. higher diffifulty would be a major plus. more exploration would be really cool too. seriously, at the end of KH2 sora could practically fly anywhere he wanted to go and all he got to do was "glide" from one end of the hallway to the other. a union of sorts of the FF bosses would be cool too. kinda like all of the disney baddies in the first one, but with golbez (kinda) and kefka and ultimecia.
EDIT: to spacespoons, i would assume he destroyed setzer's character because the vast majority of people who are buying KH1/2 never played any FF before 7. he wanted to appease the fans of the early series by including an old favorite, but needed him to fit a certain role in the story. he tried to make everyone happy, its just a shame he failed so miserably at it.
i played it enough times tyvm o.o unless they explain this magic PLOT HOLE in one of the hand held tie-ins. which is annoying in on itself i play the main games but i get left out of the story because iam not buying the mini games =/LordNue said:
That's your rebuttal? A jab at my use of vocabulary? No actual acknowledgement of the argument at hand? Gaw-lee.LordNue said:Don't use words you don't know the meaning of.ParadoxBG said:Call it what you will. I'm more there for the Disney characters, anyway, but certainly Square Enix could take the worlds of their own franchise in new directions for the sake of the storyline in a way they probably couldn't with Disney worlds. I think this would be acceptable, yes?LordNue said:It's not nostalgia if they're just putting in modern and most popular FF characters.ParadoxBG said:Yeah, but that's KH's thing as a series. I love it as much as the next guy, DGMW, but its appeal is in nostalgia, for FF and for Disney movies. I think they could pull it off, personallyJamienra said:
FFVII is over ten years old. This seems pretty much like nostalgia to me, especially for young gamers. Anything much older would be quite difficult to pull off without incurring gamer wrath, anyway, as they'd be translating a beloved character from 2-D media to 3-D media.
Besides, the most popular characters are naturally the first ones the developers will turn to. When experiencing nostalgia in music, people usually go for bands like the Beatles and such to be their preference. But there were thousands of bands in the dawning ages of rock, and some of them were sure to have been amazing and insightful. But still almost everyone who calls themslves a retro-rock fan identifies the Beatles or any of probably less than a dozen bands as their favorites...
Not everyone, of course, mind you, but Square Enix is hardly catering to a secluded market.
I never really thought about it, but that is really true. They need to bring back the importance of story in the worlds rather then just the worlds themselves.zeldakong64 said:
The story line was good in the past ones. The ship parts of the first one were simple and fun, giving you a slight break from the main action; the second one's ship parts seemed too complicated and over designed. Battle system at least in the first one was great and from what I remember the second one wasn't that different (sorry if I'm wrong). Donald and Goofy can stay, but I would allow 4 people in the party and maybe add another character as one of the main ones, as well as allow you to play as any character in the party. More final fantasy bosses or characters and places would be nice too.
I have to admit that the story line in the first one was original, and I'm hopeful for the third one, but the second one seemed just to copy the first. 1. Search for Rikku and Kairi. 2. Go to disney worlds. 3. Face a boss that is a Heartless/Nobody (even looked the same). Don't get me wrong I like the series I just have to say that the second seemed to try TOO hard to live up to the name established in the first one and I would like the third to just get back to some of the good things in the first and not try to make them better.
Also Winnie the Pooh is awesome and always will be.