Lady Gaga blocks Weird Al parody...after considerable expense is spent recording it. (UPDATE)

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FoolKiller

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MiracleOfSound said:
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Also releasing it anyway was pretty fucking petulant.
Yeah... I don't get that. Why would he release it on Youtube if he didn't put it on his album out of some moral code?

Seems hypocritical to me. Big hypocrites, the two of them.

They should do a duet (where they both parody 'Express Yourself')
Actually if you read the whole thing, it explains why he didn't include it on the album but why he was willing to release the song. I agree with him. They had him record it knowing what it would be and still snubbed it.
 

Nuke_em_05

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She has every right to block it. She wrote the melodies and they belong to her, if she doesn't want people making a buck off her stuff that's her right.
Maybe I'm not reading the sarcasm here, but Fair Use is how she got away with it with Madonna, and how Al would get away with it with her. He has a personal ethic not to sell it without permission, but it is perfectly within the law.

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Seems like a dick move on his behalf. Why does this musical moral code of his not apply to Youtube and MP3s?
He's not making money off of it this way, but he did put effort into it, so why not share it?

Also keep in mind that he planned to have all the sales (had he published it commercially) donated to the Human Rights Campaign. He even promotes donations at the end of the YouTube video.

I'm sorry, do the italics mean you are a bona-fide music video creator around here? ... that's just disappointing.
 

jonyboy13

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I completely understand Mr. Gaga. He likes to make fun of himself, he doesn't need others to do it.
 

BoredDragon

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Wtf if Weird Al decides to make a parody of one of your songs it is a sign that you have made it as a musician
 

kane.malakos

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That tmz post makes it sound pretty weird. Apparently she didn't block it at all, it was her manager being a dick. The article said she hasn't even heard it. I suggest checking it out, I have a feeling the whole story isn't out yet.
 

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Granted we've only heard one side of the story, but if that's what actually went down then I definitely agree that it's a dick move.

Edit: I just listened to the song and it's awesome.
 

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Nuke_em_05 said:
He's not making money off of it this way, but he did put effort into it, so why not share it?

Also keep in mind that he planned to have all the sales (had he published it commercially) donated to the Human Rights Campaign. He even promotes donations at the end of the YouTube video.

I'm sorry, do the italics mean you are a bona-fide music video creator around here? ... that's just disappointing.
Why do you find that disappointing?

I take it by your tone you are not an artist or musician, and have never experienced how it feels to have someone take something you poured your heart and time into creating and just use it any way they want whether you like it or not.

I'm not saying Gaga was right... I think she should grow a sense of humour. But he should still respect her wish not to have it used like that.
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
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Because recording and producing a song, even a song-parody that uses already set music, takes very long to do, and costs quite a bit of money. He receives no money from the song being on Youtube or for a free mp3. Not only that, but if you read the blog post, you'd see that he delayed release of his album so he could do the Lady Gaga song.
Recording and producing a parody does not take a lot of time and money. No more love and time and effort than the original writer spent creating it.

If someone doesn't want their art that they created being used in a way they don't like, he should respect that.

And that mix he put on Youtube is NOT a high standard, expensive mix. I've heard better bedroom recordings.
He was more or less asking permission to include it on his album, out of respect. This is because he stands to make a lot of money off of his album and the original artist would see none of that because of Fair Use laws. But since he recorded the song at his own expense of money and time at her demand only to have it shot down, he's still entitled to release it to his fans since he did put the effort in.

His moral code refers to how he makes his income by parodying other musicians.

But from the sounds of that update, I'd be tempted to say that this might fall on Lady GaGa's manager. Of course, I take the quotes about her being a fan of Weird Al's with a grain of salt, but if she's just trying to save face then it's a bit late.
 

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Everyone knows you haven't made it til Al does a video on one of your songs.
That's what I was thinking! You'd think it'd be an honor to have Weird Al parody one of your songs. I mean, really. He's been at it for how friggin' long?

But geez. Reading his post kinda bummed me out. Going to all that bloody work, jumping through hoops, just to have her say no. Dang.
 

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Wow. It's like she was always going to say no, but hated Weird Al so much she made him waste time and money before shooting him down, because she's just that much of a *****.

I'd like to announce here and now, in this post that most likely no-one and certainly not Al will ever read, that in the unlikely event of my getting a career in music, he has standing permission to parody whatever songs of mine he wants to.

Because seriously, Weird Al's freaking awesome.
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
Funny how Madonna never blocked Gaga from releasing the same song...
lol, this is what I thought.

Lady Gaga's whole career is based on trying to out Madonna Madonna, and now she's gone as far as to completely rip off one of her songs.
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
Nuke_em_05 said:
He's not making money off of it this way, but he did put effort into it, so why not share it?

Also keep in mind that he planned to have all the sales (had he published it commercially) donated to the Human Rights Campaign. He even promotes donations at the end of the YouTube video.

I'm sorry, do the italics mean you are a bona-fide music video creator around here? ... that's just disappointing.
Why do you find that disappointing?

I take it by your tone you are not an artist or musician, and have never experienced how it feels to have someone take something you poured your heart and time into creating and just use it any way they want whether you like it or not.

I'm not saying Gaga was right... I think she should grow a sense of humour. But he should still respect her wish not to have it used like that.
[sarcasm]You can read tone? I didn't even tag it or anything.[/sarcasm].

[matter-of-fact]What I found disappointing was what seemed to be an ignorance on fair use by a "professional" music video creator.[/matter-of-fact]

[factually]I am not an artist or musician, this is true.[/factually]

[personal conjecture]I can, however, presuppose that, should Al's side of the story be believed (and it looks like more is unfolding as I type); he went through the cost and effort to produce a song on good faith that she would approve it (having already read the lyrics and hopefully having familiarity with her own [used loosely here] tune). She then denied it. So he respected that and did not publish it commercially. However, he had already gone through the effort of making it, so he published it for free. As any artist who had put effort into creating something would want to share it.[/personal conjecture]
 

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That TMZ article was pretty enlightening....(I cannot believe I just typed that). I kinda had a feeling Gaga wouldn't have a problem with this, she does have a sense of humor...I think, but that is quite the dick move on her producer's part. Did the producer think she wouldn't even hear about this? Come on now.

Captcha: oupula announces.....well alright, but what is it announcing?
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
She has every right to block it. She wrote the melodies and they belong to her, if she doesn't want people making a buck off her stuff that's her right.

[small]and Madonna's[/small]
MiracleOfSound" post="18.278606.10860025 said:
Not true. Parody is not protected against by copyright so much. This is a grotesque oversimplification, but basically, if your making fun of something and not hurting the original in any way except to make fun of, you can't be stopped. It's called, "Fair Use" if I remember correctly. Weird Al has every right to release every one of his songs without asking permission. He just does out of respect.

Also, I know that plenty of people want to crucify someone who they don't like the music of because they are to classy for that lowbrow pop music, but seriously? Weird Al, particularly thoughtfully, said himself that he talked with the manager, not Gaga personally. Like her or hate her, who do you think is more likely to be a stickler for use of her song, Gaga or the buisnessman watching her Ip's? The possibility that the manager said no without Gagas knowledge is absolutely, completely believable, and there is absolutely no proof otherwise. Maybe Gaga was behind this, and then spreading blame. I can't say one way or another. But most importantly, neither can the people getting in arms against Gaga. Weird Al is awesome, he is a stand up guy who has a great amount of respect, and rock solid principles. But I would bet that he is clashing with a manager, not Gaga herself. When someone has evidence to the contrary, they can argue against my hypothesis.
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
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Might want to grab it while you can
He'll post the MP3s as well. He's done it in the past - for example, with You're Pitiful [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_Pitiful].

He's legally allowed to release them - parody is a long-standing fair use exception to copyright - he just chooses not to sell them unless he gets permission. Normally he doesn't even make them until he gets permission, but in the rare exceptions he's had no problem releasing them for free.
Seems like a dick move on his behalf. Why does this musical moral code of his not apply to Youtube and MP3s?
Well, my understanding is he's releasing it this way so he dosen't get paid, but he's still letting it be heard because he put a lot of work into it.
 

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Seeing as her song is almost the same as Express Yourself by Madonna...she shouldn't even be able to say anything, since she's basically a baby Madonna.
 

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She doesn't exactly have any respect to lose from my part...
MiracleOfSound said:
Seems like a dick move on his behalf. Why does this musical moral code of his not apply to Youtube and MP3s?
Miracle.

Contact Al.

You must find that song...