Lady Gaga

[Vaccine]

She's pro'lly a great singer, but her current mainstream music is so bland, boring and unadventurous. Her music is being sold by the spectacle that is Lady Gaga rather that musical greatness.

 

[Humiliated Grape]

I think Lady Gaga has brought a fresh and inspiring look and feel to pop culture. It was a matter of weeks until she hit number one in the charts. I think all but one of all of the songs she's released has been number one. It's kinda cute to see all of the fresh faces copying her style.

Don't get me wrong before Gaga I've never thought or even avoided listening to pop music. After her performance at the VMA's I've stuck by most of the things she's realise. I find her incredibly inspiring for my work.

Back to your question, I totally understand why some parents would be apposed to allowing their kids to listen to her. She's not exactly child friendly but then again I listen to the Spice Girls lyrics I used to listen to as a child and it's a little disturbing.

 

[BonsaiK]

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I see them to, I mean people saying her music writing skills are as good as Queen. (Like hell they are)

Well, that's highly subjective isn't it. I personally prefer listening to some of Queen's output than Lady Gaga, for sure, but I'd sure as hell rather listen to Bad Romance or Poker Face 100 times than anything off Queen's "Hot Space" album... I see no reason why Queen's songwriting is objectively better (and I'm a Queen fan), there's nothing you could point to on a Queen song and say "Lady Gaga could never do that if she tried", both artists are/were exceptionally talented and reared on music from a very young age, and it's early days for Lady Gaga's career, there's no telling what she'll sound like once she's got a Queen-sized discography behind her.

1) The clothing. I mean seriously, I know you're going for shock, but what the fuck are you wearing?
2) She CLAIMS to have been musically inspired by David Bowie. A) I LOVE Bowie and B) You were nothing of the sort. You're music style is pop mixed with electronica, Bowie is glam rock. Get your musical inspiration straight.

Bowie mixed pop with electronica quite frequently during the latter stages of his career. He's dabbled in electronica ever since Brian Eno worked with him on "Heroes".


Also let's not forget that dress that David Bowie wore on that album of his in 1970...

 

[FightThePower]

She's a fucking terrible artist. Even if she can technically sing.

 

[rokkolpo]

well to put it simple.

she acts like a whore and dresses like a retard.
parents don't consider that good influence.

and for anyone defending her not acting like a whore, go watch telephone or actually any of her clips.

 

[BonsaiK]

Yay music industry guy in a Lady Gaga thread!

Anyone who complains about Lady Gaga lacking talent, being a bad influence or otherwise being anything less than a completely fine and worthy pop singer is demonstratably wrong.

* She can sing better than most pop singers and could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to
* Yes she dresses outrageously but in pop music who doesn't - the style has a decades-long tradition of outrageous dress sense
* She is a noted philanthropist and lives a generally healthy lifestyle, unlike a lot of other artists in her field

1. "could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to"

Unlikely, sir.

2. "the style has a decades-long tradition of outrageous dress sense"

Not to her idiotic extreme.

3. "lives a generally healthy lifestyle"

I rather doubt her mental health is very good.

1. You are wrong. She'll probably prove it one day by doing a duet with an opera singer, as Freddy Mercury did. Until then go and look at some Youtubes where she performs acoustically.

2. As someone in the industry, I can assure you that as long as you are getting noticed, there's no such thing as dressing "idiotically" in pop music. Period. The more outlandish and crazy, the better.

3. What are you basing that on? Probably nothing except that she wears weird clothes and sings music you don't happen to like.

 

[Macgyvercas]

1) She can sing better than most pop singers and could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to
2) Yes she dresses outrageously but in pop music who doesn't - the style has a decades-long tradition of outrageous dress sense
3) She is a noted philanthropist and lives a generally healthy lifestyle, unlike a lot of other artists in her field

1) But can you objectively prove that? Seems to me that singing voices are percieved on a subjective basis.

2) I never really got the trend to dress crazily in pop music. Why can't we have more people dressed like the Beatles in the early 60's?

3) Uhhh...Hold on. *looks stuff up* *looks stuff up some more* Yeah, no argument from me on that one.

 

[Nazulu]

Her music is just like all the other pop/rap stars music at the moment, weak and lame, nothing special, nothing new.

They keep calling her really talented as well, and I guess she is compared to all the other pop/rap stars of today, but compared to the great musicians who started it all and wrote memorable songs, she really is nothing.

I don't hate her or her music (unless I'm forced to listen to it) but she is just another over-hyped singer.

 

[BonsaiK]

1) She can sing better than most pop singers and could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to
2) Yes she dresses outrageously but in pop music who doesn't - the style has a decades-long tradition of outrageous dress sense
3) She is a noted philanthropist and lives a generally healthy lifestyle, unlike a lot of other artists in her field

1) But can you objectively prove that? Seems to me that singing voices are percieved on a subjective basis.

2) I never really got the trend to dress crazily in pop music. Why can't we have more people dressed like the Beatles in the early 60's?

3) Uhhh...Hold on. *looks stuff up* *looks stuff up some more* Yeah, no argument from me on that one.

There are objective standards for vocal performance. Yes, there is definitely subjectivity when it comes to whether you like the result (personally I don't tend to enjoy listening to very technical singers myself) but in terms of accurate pitching, lung power/sustain, vocal dexterity and so forth, it's not significantly different to playing a wind instrument (which is essentially what a vocalist is doing anyway) and can be measured using similar objective standards. Can I personally prove it? Not without meeting her and running her through some standard vocal tests and exercises while I film it. She'll probably prove it herself without my help though, eventually.

Keep in mind that even in their supposed 'clean cut' early 60s era, The Beatles' image was considered very wild for the time. The controversy and conservative furore over their "mop tops" even in the very early days was legendary and far, far outstripped any of the current whining about Lady Gaga's image.

 

[Marter]

She said herself that she is famous because "Nobody sang about sex before". Now, we know that isn't true, but in most industries, sex sells. She's figured that out.

 

[rex922]

she might be able to sing
but that dess sense is retarded
also her songs are horrible

if you can sing but cannot even write a decent song, you are still a bad artist

 

[Snarky Username]

Bad influence? Nonsense!

Spoiler: Possibly NSFW

 

[The Warden]

More like Manly Gaga, amirite?

 

[James Cassidy]

1. You can't just say that I am without a doubt wrong without proof in the matter. I have heard her sing acoustically, and as an opera lover she is not up to snuff. But seeing as there is no proof yet, I said unlikely. I did not state it as a complete fact. And thus when you decided to say I was wrong, you lost. GG. Good thing you didn't go into an industry requiring intelligence and the ability to debate your points.

2. As someone with a brain, I can tell you that relying on a gimmick instead of your own musical talent is utter bullshit, and that your silly industry needs to stop rewarding the idiots. If you're better than the rest, you're going to be noticed. Simple.

3. Let's see. She dresses like a psychopath, for one. Not just weird. Psychopath. Her songs also reflect this sentiment. My cousin is working on his psych major, and for one of his papers he did an in depth analysis of her songs, persona, etc. I'm going to ask him for a copy.

1. I am just going to quote Pretty Women
"People's reactions to opera the first time they see it is very dramatic; they either love it or they hate it. If they love it, they will always love it. If they don't, they may learn to appreciate it, but it will never become part of their soul. "

2. You a lot of people say this from artist in many fields. They probably said this to Michelangelo, they probably said this Picasso, they probably said this to Dali. Gaga is an artist and she expresses her self by the way she wants to. She is an artist and uses her own experiences to view the world in song and fashion. Many might say she is not an artist but rather a psychopath, but they probably say this to all artist.

There is a fine line between genius and insanity. Funny how these two coincide.

3. I hate people who say "well I study this in college and I can say I know everything about the human mind." In truth, we cannot possibly understand the human mind. We can have a good idea, but anybody can become anything. The human mind is not some box with keyholes, it is a maze full of doors that all lead to either nothing or something.

I don't care how much someone studies or what major they have. To truly understand something you need to have experience.

Lady Gaga is a genius, she is not a psychopath. She sees the world in a much different light than the rest of us and as an artist I know the exact messages she can see.

Your cousin can read every book on psychology and he will never understand the heart of an artist because he only sees things in one dimension based what societies calls "normal."

 

[dex-dex]

as much as people slam on her i think she is not bad
i mean i am much more into the alternative rock and electronica but she can do something many pop singers do
sing

 

[AstylahAthrys]

I actually kind of like Lady Gaga. I don't listen to any other pop artists (I prefer hard rock and metal) but I do find Lady Gaga pretty decent. She's a lot better than anyone else on the top 40 radio stations.

 

[Ldude893]

Metal is the only true music, everything else is just specs of dust on the the wind. /m/

Doubleplus Untrue. Metal is just another genre.

 

[Nadlice]

Yay music industry guy in a Lady Gaga thread!

Anyone who complains about Lady Gaga lacking talent, being a bad influence or otherwise being anything less than a completely fine and worthy pop singer is demonstratably wrong.

* She can sing better than most pop singers and could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to
* Yes she dresses outrageously but in pop music who doesn't - the style has a decades-long tradition of outrageous dress sense
* She is a noted philanthropist and lives a generally healthy lifestyle, unlike a lot of other artists in her field

1. "could easily go toe-to-toe with opera singers on a theatrical stage if she had to"

Unlikely, sir.

2. "the style has a decades-long tradition of outrageous dress sense"

Not to her idiotic extreme.

3. "lives a generally healthy lifestyle"

I rather doubt her mental health is very good.

1. You are wrong. She'll probably prove it one day by doing a duet with an opera singer, as Freddy Mercury did. Until then go and look at some Youtubes where she performs acoustically.

2. As someone in the industry, I can assure you that as long as you are getting noticed, there's no such thing as dressing "idiotically" in pop music. Period. The more outlandish and crazy, the better.

3. What are you basing that on? Probably nothing except that she wears weird clothes and sings music you don't happen to like.

1. You can't just say that I am without a doubt wrong without proof in the matter. I have heard her sing acoustically, and as an opera lover she is not up to snuff. But seeing as there is no proof yet, I said unlikely. I did not state it as a complete fact. And thus when you decided to say I was wrong, you lost. GG. Good thing you didn't go into an industry requiring intelligence and the ability to debate your points.

2. As someone with a brain, I can tell you that relying on a gimmick instead of your own musical talent is utter bullshit, and that your silly industry needs to stop rewarding the idiots. If you're better than the rest, you're going to be noticed. Simple.

3. Let's see. She dresses like a psychopath, for one. Not just weird. Psychopath. Her songs also reflect this sentiment. My cousin is working on his psych major, and for one of his papers he did an in depth analysis of her songs, persona, etc. I'm going to ask him for a copy.

You know what I hate? When I'm reading a nice civil discussion between two people, and then one of them feels a need to insult the other.

Being a ass won't make you right, and your post had decent merit outside of speculating on his intelligence.

Slightly more on topic, being good won't get you noticed. Luck, and being marketable will get you noticed. Talent plays a role, but being amazing at something doesn't mean there is any demand for an artist fitting your description.

Actually on topic, Gaga is my favorite recent pop... anything. She seems genuinely different, can actually sing, and apparently is a philanthropist. I'm probably not going to start listening to her music, I'd rather stick with Regina Spektor, but I can still see how others would find her appealing.

Metal is the only true music, everything else is just specs of dust on the the wind. /m/

Are you joking, or actually being an asshole?