Lady Gaga
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As a classical music performance guy i think he is terrible. If you have the talent to by an opera singer, (which she doesnt by the way) and you sold out to pop you have wasted your talent. Honestly her song require no skill to sing and its just more of the same boring pop music. Music should be able to amazed by the skill involved in performing music not just for drunken dancing.BonsaiK said:
If might be the most talented pop singer but that is still shit in the classical world.
Oh noes, she doesn't comfort to social norms of appearance! SHE MUST BE BURNED!Scumpernickle said:
But seriously, I don't see why she's a 'bad influence' on the young - ok, she looks as odd as hell when she dresses up, but she's hardly the first singer to dress in a fucked up fashion.
Monstrion said:
She can actually sing. And play piano at the same time, even. She has talent. Case closed.
I find classical music dull, because the forms and regulations governing such music were so incredibly strict back in the day, such as the adherence to ii-V-I, arrangement conventions (exposition-development-recapitulation) etc, it's very predictable, far more so than pop music which at least has far more relative freedom with texture rules and a less stringent harmonic rulebook. Classical music is the epitome of "painting by numbers" and anyone who thinks that musical of the Classical period is somehow more "elevated" than popular music should have a look at some of the musical forms involved, as well as the societal forces of the time that caused the music to sound the way it did.Oldmanwillow said:
Artists who were writing pieces in the Classical period got a whole lot less creative freedom than what pop artists do today, because a piece wasn't just written, it was usually commissioned, and the person commissioning it, such as a king or figure of nobility, was typically after a certain type of thing, in a certain style, and if you were a composer being paid a lot of money, you'd better deliver exactly what they want and not step outside the boundaries or it could be gallows time for you. This is why the harmonic rules took such a long time to evolve. In effect this is no different to a radio station wanting a pop hit to conform to certain rules that make it radio-friendly, except that no-one is going to chop off your head if you song gets rejected from the radio, therefore the pop music field these days, even with its stringent radio formats, still encourages greater experimentation than what was the norm hundreds of years ago. So in other words, if you want to hear the epitome of people "selling out", look to classical music.
As for Lady Gaga's songs requiring no skill to sing... er, actually, they do. I work with vocal teachers every day and I've seen enough people try to sing Lady Gaga songs and fail miserably. sure, they think it's easy... until you hand them a microphone and a backing track and say "okay - go." - then suddenly it's not as easy as they thought! Mind you, I don't think skill is the sole arbiter of the worth of a musical statement anyway... or even the most important factor...
You said she can go toe to toe with opera singers. You either have no clue what opera singing means or you have serious problems with your hearing.BonsaiK said:
Look it up on YT, opera is several leagues above her.
But still, she can play an instrument and sing without studio worth milions backing up her voice, I can respect that. She should seriously work on her lyrics though.
For a music industry major you sure dont know anything about music theory, the ii V I chord progress was only really used for cadences, if you take a look at lets say Haydn's oxfords symphony it uses chord progress that would absolutely shock you in the development section, (major minor chords and a tone of augmented6th chords, while change keys every 15 measures). let me see does pop music do that? no.BonsaiK said:
Again if you look at works that were commissioned back in the 18 century all that was commissioned was a piece for an event. If it was an opera they wrote an opera if it was a ballet a ballet was written. but guess what the composers had complete control over the type over the themes and the structure of the specifics pieces. You want to know why Nobels wanted the best composers working for them, it was a status symbol and they were not going to restrict a skill composer because they wanted to show all the specific talents that the composer had for bragging rights. Pop being unpredictable. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Thank you that was the best laugh i had in a while, you are lucky to get 5 different chords out of a pop song. LUCKY.
I am not even going to go into the romantic era of music because i dont even fully understand the chord progressions of List and Wanger, I have to struggle with the Chord progress of Beethoven.
Pay attention in your music theory class or maybe your form and analysis and you would say such stupid things.
Well I can't find her singing opera, but it doesn't really matter. The fundamental techniques of singing in terms of muscle movement and development etc are the same in any singing style, the fact that opera has different rules in terms of timbre isn't really that relevant. At the end of the day you're either singing with correct techniques and pitching or you're not - and Lady Gaga is, that's obvious. Besides, if she busted out big operatic style vocals in that song it would sound stupid and over the top, she's singing in a style appropriate for the type of song that she's doing, because when you're a professional and you're delivering a song, that's what you do.Monstrion said:
[a discussion about how Haydn's modulation in the Oxford Symphony isn't really that special compared to Taylor Swift's key change at the end of "Love Story" was going to go here but I removed it because I doubt anyone actually cares besides me, and the following paragraph makes it all redundant anyway]Oldmanwillow said:
Just because something has got a ton of chords in it, or requires great technical skill, doesn't automatically make it better or more worthwhile than something that doesn't have these things. Sometimes simple things actually are more effective because sometimes getting straight to the point is preferable to beating around the bush. Who would've thought?
She looks hot.............why are you looking at me like that?Scumpernickle said:
god damnit it's so hard to find a picture that isn't photoshoped to make her look insane lol...wait a second....that's not photoshop!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU