Largest plot hole in a game?

[twistedmic]

1.MW2: Why did the Russians attack America. You don't do that for a couple civilians.
2.MW2: What the fuck was Price doing on the Gulag? He could've killed everyone there with his bare hands and then swim through the Atlantic.

It wasn't just 'a couple of civilians' that were killed. My estimate is that over a hundred civilians (not counting the fast response/ Russian version of SWAT guys) were brutally murdered by terrorists which were apparently made up of Americans or funded by Americans (Makarov and his guys were terrorist mercenaries who would fight for the highest bidder).

 

[FallenRainbows]

Final Fantasy 7 (thats the Squall one right?). Global communications are non-functional and are repaired by screwing around with a radar dish. It took them 10 years to figure this out...10 YEARS TO FIGURE OUT THEY NEED TO FIX SOMETHING IN ORDER FOR IT TO WORK, oh yet they happen to maintain the giant televisions in the major cities JUST IN CASE someone gets it working...

Someone watches the SpoonyExperiment...

 

[The_ModeRazor]

1.MW2: Why did the Russians attack America. You don't do that for a couple civilians.
2.MW2: What the fuck was Price doing on the Gulag? He could've killed everyone there with his bare hands and then swim through the Atlantic.

It wasn't just 'a couple of civilians' that were killed. My estimate is that over a hundred civilians (not counting the fast response/ Russian version of SWAT guys) were brutally murdered by terrorists which were apparently made up of Americans or funded by Americans (Makarov and his guys were terrorist mercenaries who would fight for the highest bidder).

You still don't just go berserk on America's ass for that.
And I still don't know why was Price locked up.
Oh well... maybe he was just on a holiday.

 

[Ddgafd]

I was wondering yesterday which game I have has had the biggest plot hole, and I realised that it was probably in Super Mario Sunshine.
Princess Peach was Baby Bowser's mother? What was up with that?
So come on people, what do you think was the biggest plot hole you've ever seen in a game?

You know it's revealed at the end of the game that Bowser was lying and that Bowser Jr. knows she's not his mother, right?

Mine: Kingdom Hearts 2. If Xemnas is Xehanort's Nobody and Ansem was Xehanort's Heartless, then shouldn't killing Ansem have given him his heart back, thus rendering the entire motivation of the Organization's leader void and moot?

Well, I think it is explained. See, when you kill a Heartless, the glowing heart it has goes to Kingdom Hearts and becomes a part of it, so it doesn't go back into the Nobody, thus not making the Nobody turn back into a human. The same applies for Ansem.

 

[BaldursBananaSoap]

How Mario went from being a construction site worker in Donkey Kong to being a plumber in Super Mario Bros.

Recession kicked in.

 

[NickCaligo42]

Well, I think it is explained. See, when you kill a Heartless, the glowing heart it has goes to Kingdom Hearts and becomes a part of it, so it doesn't go back into the Nobody, thus not making the Nobody turn back into a human. The same applies for Ansem.

That's all conjecture and never specifically mentioned in the game. Anyway, the whole point of their plan is to monitor Kingdom Hearts so that they could get their hearts back when the right Heartless get killed. Either they just suck at it, which just makes it look like they didn't think that far ahead when they made their evil plan, or Xemnas just isn't trying. I'd sooner believe the second since he seems pretty fond of not having inhibitions to drag him back, but then what the hell is he trying to do? Even if that question's answered in future games it has no bearing on anything since we killed him anyway. Was he just after power? If so, why should I care? Ansem had power. Maleficent had power. Even Pete had some semblence of power. Hades, the god of the frikkin' underworld himself had power. After beating all of these guys into the ground repeatedly that motive doesn't impress me. The boss fight sure as hell did, but not the plot around it.

Not by a long shot...

 

[TheDoctor455]

Any time a game puts the words "super soldier project" into my head.

 

[alloneword]

How the hell did they build Rapture, and second, how the hell did nobody notice? Seriously, it's an enormous city under the sea - that would take years to build (and apparently it was built prior to or around the 50s, and therefore building something like that is pretty much impossible) and millions upon millions of dollars. And apparently it's in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean - how would you get the building supplies out there? It doesn't affect Bioshock in anyway, it's just something I've always wondered.

Simple. It's steampunk therefore even the physically impossible becomes suddenly AWESOME!

But since we are on Bioshock...

I don't think it's really a plot hole, but how to turrets and gun drones which (I assume due to the nature of the game) are run on steam, have any way to tell friend from foe?

 

[Geekmaster K]

Bowser kidnapping Peach in virtually EVERY Mario game. I like Mario games, but seriously, you would think Bowser would try something different by now! I've always wondered why he's always so obsessed with kidnapping Peach. Even when a new villain comes along and kidnaps her, he gets upset about it and says that kidnapping Peach is HIS job. Also, why does every Mario villain besides Bowser also kidnap Peach? Other than her being royalty, there's really nothing special about her.

 

[twistedmic]

You still don't just go berserk on America's ass for that.
And I still don't know why was Price locked up.
Oh well... maybe he was just on a holiday.

Think of it this way, if a group of apparently Russian/German/Italian/whatever country terrorists went into a major American airport (Dulles, JFK etc.) slaughtered a bunch of innocent unarmed civilians what would the American public or government do? Would they assume it was just a random terrorist attack and dismiss it as such or would they demand swift and violent retribution?

Also, for Price being held in the Russian Gulag, I assumed that it was because after the first Modern Warfare he was taken to a Russian hospital to be patched up, and when the Ultranationalists(or at the very least pro- Zakehev) took over they threw him in prison for his part in killing their version of George Washington/Thomas Jefferson/what ever American founding father.

 

[Hussmann54]

Its probably not the BIGGEST plot hole out there, but Portal definitely comes to mind. Why are we in a Black Mesa Test that ultimately leads to death? (or at least that was the plan) Do you live at the end? What is the machines obsession with cake and for the love of all that is holy! WHERE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE?!?!!!?!?!?
I know valve is into short and sweet games that require no previous knowledge of earlier games in order to enjoy, but I could make more sense of HL2 ep.1 even if it was all I had ever seen.....

 

[Durxom]

Well, I think it is explained. See, when you kill a Heartless, the glowing heart it has goes to Kingdom Hearts and becomes a part of it, so it doesn't go back into the Nobody, thus not making the Nobody turn back into a human. The same applies for Ansem.

That's all conjecture and never specifically mentioned in the game. Anyway, the whole point of their plan is to monitor Kingdom Hearts so that they could get their hearts back when the right Heartless get killed. Either they just suck at it, which just makes it look like they didn't think that far ahead when they made their evil plan, or Xemnas just isn't trying. I'd sooner believe the second since he seems pretty fond of not having inhibitions to drag him back, but then what the hell is he trying to do? Even if that question's answered in future games it has no bearing on anything since we killed him anyway. Was he just after power? If so, why should I care? Ansem had power. Maleficent had power. Even Pete had some semblence of power. Hades, the god of the frikkin' underworld himself had power. After beating all of these guys into the ground repeatedly that motive doesn't impress me. The boss fight sure as hell did, but not the plot around it.

Not by a long shot...

The problem is that only the Keyblade can collect hearts from the Heartless and create Kingdom Hearts, and while they had Roxas and Xion, they lost both of them, therefore losing their Heart gathering objective, until Soras comes back and starts bashing them...I don't know about the rest of it though..

 

[L3m0n_L1m3]

I was wondering yesterday which game I have has had the biggest plot hole, and I realised that it was probably in Super Mario Sunshine.
Princess Peach was Baby Bowser's mother? What was up with that?

No, she wasn't. Bowser was just saying that to get Baby Bowser to kidnap her.

OT: Pretty much all of MW2's storyline.

 

[Treblaine]

Metal Gear Solid 4.
Just 'The Patriots' in general they make absolutely no sense and in fact the entire last 45 minutes of MGS4 makes no sense at all. I can't be bothered with spoiler tags but to say the least the game has so many holes that they overlap each other so the actual plot is more like a porous sponge soaked in poor cliches and masturbatory self-referencing.

This. I enjoyed the game, but the story make little sense near the end. I mean...

Spoiler

"zero becames one, one becames zero"??? How did Raiden get electric powers all of a sudden? How is it that Naomi got killed by cancer instantly?
Not to menction the whole "Sunny hacked the system and remove the bad parts, and all is fine again". The "Debrin" name is an anagram for patriots... Or my favorite: "The philosophers were a lie created to justify the actions of the bad guys" (talk about meta-revelation and a cheap way to cut down a plot point, Kojima)

Continued nonsense discussion:

Spoiler

Wasn't it Drebin revealed he was a Patriot spy and then just SAID Meryl's Rat patrol was under The Patriot's orders... his proof? Rat patrol is a mangled anagram of "The Patriots" if you call it "RAT PT 01" then "PATR10T" only at no point in the game up to that point is it refered to by that nomenclature and is a pretty fucking poor explanation for even WHY or HOW they were under The Patriot's control. The game also doesn't in any way address what the hell The Patriots are and literally roll out in the last few minutes of the 8 hour EPIC of cutscenes the mastermind of it all:

Kojima seems to have used the one loose character from the canon who was not explicitly killed and was vaguely important, Major Zero, though the previous games established him as such a periphery and unimportant character and it just makes no sense that such an old and decrepit guy could be the mastermind of such an insanely complex and technologically advanced system that is never demonstrated, it is simply talked about in hour after hour of banal exposition.

It also makes no sense why a British major would subvert the entire US Government and piss all over democracy by installing his own puppet leaders.

I kept expecting to be told The Patriots did not exist only it turns out The Philosophers - the secret organisation which actually had proof of their existence thanks to the Philosopher's Legacy - turns out they were just made up. Pro-job Hideo, just piss all over MGS3, the only decent game plot you made in the past decade and IMHO far superior to MGS4 in virtually every way.

God, and don't get me started on "liquid" Ocelot.

MGS2 explicitly established that Liquid Snake "possessed" Ocelot through the transplanted hand and then took on the voice of Liquid, yet in MGS4 he now speaks in ocelots voice yet acts like Liquid all the time. Then they roll out at the last minute some bullshit about how Ocelot on THOUGH he was Liquid... for no logical reason. I mean the final fistfight on top of the ship's main mast was just so contrived as wasn't the ship's AI defeated and the ship now crawling wit friendly marines, it is hardly a fight to the death if I could just climb down a ladder and tell the nearest marine or armed sailor to shot that crazy old guy with the moustache (not me though).

The return of Raiden... at. all... made me pissed as hell. I was glad that he spent most of mGS3 either Volgin's ***** boy or dead, dead by my hands. I saved before that point and had to have killed Raiden in every conceivable way, it was cathartic.

 

[NickCaligo42]

Well, I think it is explained. See, when you kill a Heartless, the glowing heart it has goes to Kingdom Hearts and becomes a part of it, so it doesn't go back into the Nobody, thus not making the Nobody turn back into a human. The same applies for Ansem.

That's all conjecture and never specifically mentioned in the game. Anyway, the whole point of their plan is to monitor Kingdom Hearts so that they could get their hearts back when the right Heartless get killed. Either they just suck at it, which just makes it look like they didn't think that far ahead when they made their evil plan, or Xemnas just isn't trying. I'd sooner believe the second since he seems pretty fond of not having inhibitions to drag him back, but then what the hell is he trying to do? Even if that question's answered in future games it has no bearing on anything since we killed him anyway. Was he just after power? If so, why should I care? Ansem had power. Maleficent had power. Even Pete had some semblence of power. Hades, the god of the frikkin' underworld himself had power. After beating all of these guys into the ground repeatedly that motive doesn't impress me. The boss fight sure as hell did, but not the plot around it.

Not by a long shot...

The problem is that only the Keyblade can collect hearts from the Heartless and create Kingdom Hearts, and while they had Roxas and Xion, they lost both of them, therefore losing their Heart gathering objective, until Soras comes back and starts bashing them...I don't know about the rest of it though..

Man, they just have sloppy plans in general. Either this is the most incompetent yet most overblown, delusional, and self-obsessed bunch of bad guys ever in a game or Square's just full of lazy writers. Really, though, I think that when the mandate came to make Chain of Memories they just got seriously thrown off. With that game all of the major plot elements and questions raised by the end of Kingdom Hearts 1 were already answered well before Kingdom Hearts 2 came around. It just didn't leave any interesting territory to explore, so they had to make up a ton of stuff in a big hurry. Given that Nomura didn't know what Roxas's face looked like, let alone who he was by the time the first KH2 trailer came out, I don't think it's assuming too much to figure that's the way it went down.

 

[ERadical]

Borderlands wiki offered an explanation: The ECHO device was very close to you, so perhaps it's not necessary to be ON you for it to work. Not sure if it's true, but that's what I've read.

Hmm well that timely explanation hasn't completely destroyed the game for me now
cheers

 

[Guitar Gamer]

As for the Russian thing?

he didn't drink enough Vodka prior to the killing?

General Shepherd informed Makarov.
It's that simple, really.

*GASP* how underhanded!!

 

[Amondren]

Sneak king why hasnt he been arrested for being a total creeper yet?