Lauren Southern speaks to Feminists at "SlutWalk".

[MeatMachine]

Someone baiting out and provoking the craziest people in a social movement to act out, then strawmanning the crazies as an accurate portrayal of the movement's general demeanor?

Even when I go out into the world, I can never truly escape internet behavior.

 

[Namehere]

I gave you my answers. The format was obviously good enough for you to get them. Reply was good enough.

There isn't much left to say. You didn't bother to consult a rape prevention hotline/center, and I am not one.

Even now there are still people arguing your statistics. Whose are right, whose are wrong?

The military invested heavily in the Patriot Anti-Missile system. You can watch it with CNN in operation over Israel. Hundreds were launched to prevent SCUD missile attacks, they all failed. Epic fail, on television, with a reporter too ignorant of what all the flashing in the sky meant to realize each launch was a failure. The military regularly buys faulty equipment. Then of course there was the atrocity of the US U-Boat fleet in WW2's first year down in the Pacific. Torpedo guidance systems weren't working, but to cover it the US Navy announced any U-Boat captain whose vessel did not sink a Japanese ship in the first year of combat would be relived of command and discharged. 1 ship was sank in all that time, one Captain retained his command. But yea there isn't a long and checkered history of US weapons appropriations. Nah.

As for the US, it's a disaster. It's a quilt of inequality. Jesus, look at this headline I woke up to: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/dallas-police-in-standoff-after-shootout-attempted-bombing-of-headquarters-1.3112320

My statement wasn't about things like that, so much as massive economic inequality that is visceral and its effects in local educational funding and outcome. Noam Chompsky once suggest that imposing the US education system on a foreign state would been seen as an act of aggression. But hey, warp it how you like, you obviously will. Seems to me that kind of 'education' can have a lasting impact on the people subjected to it though, especially the majority living in the US from a poor back ground. But fuck that! Economic inequality and educational inequality and health care inequality have nothing to do with peoples outlook on things... The poor are notably open to new ideas, especially around sex or religion, right?

All this stuff your statistics claim are prevalent I don't tend to see in Canada. I really don't. I don't see a lot of slut shaming.

As to "my daddy taught me..." So you didn't discuss things like that with your friends? You don't tease and egg one another on? Fascinating. So born mature and uninterested. Okay then...

Your putting up statistics that are arguable. That is all. The sources are all questionable and the findings in many cases are considered to have been equally arguable. I can't fight with or against those numbers. I can't take them seriously. Sorry but there's too much bullshit around statistical evidence in the area of rape and sexual assault.

Among my group of friends and the actions I've seen in my country and city's media and the statements from people in the street, slut shaming isn't a big thing. Maybe it still is in the US, but not really in Canada.

We do have serious problems... Like recently having an outgoing Armed Forces commander issue orders that a series of anticipated recommendations from a study on sexual assault in those Armed Forces, be rejected. The study was released six months latter or so, three months after that officer was replaced with a new one, who did not repeal those orders. This included ensuring regardless of the merit of the idea of a third party organization to manage sexual assault claims, it would never be deemed appropriate by any military examination and there for would never be implemented. This was an order. AN ORDER! But why focus on where we know there are problems, where there is a systemic culture of sexism and rape, when we can broadly paint the world as 'rape culture'? I see a problem there and its in the press, its in print. I don't see any of the usual suspects on here who push this idea of rape culture touching that issue with a ten foot cattle prod.

Then of course there's that sort of rape you dismiss out of hand. Have you ever heard of the Highway of Tears? Here's another one; what isn't the government of Canada interested in holding a public inquiry into? That would be all the thousands of native American women disappearing in assumed sex crimes leading to murder. We haven't even found most of the bodies they vanish so regularly. But no need to look into that, just ask my government! 'Its not on our radar.' And I quote. But hey! This is obvious stuff that just obviously isn't being managed, we should talk about different stuff that we don't have any immediate solutions to instead of doing what we can.

So regardless of your statistics on where the rapes happen, these are the ones I hear about... EVERY DAMN DAY. Every day man. Most of the response that doesn't demand action isn't prejudice in favor of rapists or anything like that. No, if those were white women we'd do something, better believe. It's racism, near as I can tell. Racism that permits that to go on and permits the government to keep winning seats even though it's letting thousands of women's deaths, the deaths of our citizens, go completely unanswered and uninvestigated. Again, that isn't even touching on the state of the military, which is disgraceful.

I make it a policy to deal with what I can see and manage. I can't manage a government inquest on my own but I can see its necessary. I can't change the culture or standing orders of the military, but I can see its necessary.

I don't know when the next woman or girl will be taken advantage of by a friend or family member. I don't. I can't prevent that, this isn't Minority Report and screaming about it isn't helping. Why don't you make noise about issues that can be managed? Places we can make a difference, clear and present and now. Surely the US has it's own hot beds of such issues? And frankly those football teams are a great place to start! They are, don't get me wrong. But this rape culture notion isn't helping.

You don't think the issues affecting Native American women are not also a part of rape culture? I am Native American, I was raped, my grandmother was raped, my sister was raped, my cousin was raped. none of the men who raped us were part of my tribe. I was raped by a wealthy white man. This is a part of the problem. They give less shits about it happening to Native Americans, this horrific treatment of Native Americans is actually part of the culture that founded the Americas and has never stopped. The way they view rape in the first place is PART of the problem that allows it to continue as badly as it does. It is just another circumstance added to the pile that makes it "okay to rape when". Ignoring the rape culture that exists is what is not helping, not attempting to address it. The problem is most want to not hear about the problems and ignore them rather than look into what is really wrong that is causing these attitudes towards rape in the first place. In order to change these things long term, we have to change the views in society that allow it to continue, this is not done easy, and it is not done by saying "it is not a problem" move on.

I'm fairly confident that were men simply raping these women and sending them on their way, we'd catch them. It is the homicide we seem so complacent over up here.

Of course there's also a general sense that the Native Americans in Canada have 'had it too good too long' at tax payers expense. Please understand, this is insane. But there it is. The level of personal and political betrayal suffered by the First Nations is frankly unimaginable. You couldn't make this stuff up. We recently concluded a long term Truth and Reconciliation program - naturally thoroughly unable to file charges against people still living and admitting to crimes committed in the Residential School Program. The survivors were asked to write their testimony which would, for privacy purposes, then be destroyed. The people in control of the program even managed to betray that promise. How fuckin' hard is that? Just destroy the damn records like the victims asked for! But nope, they couldn't even do that.

Last time a SARS like outbreak happened up north in predominantly native American populated areas the government had the audacity to send them BODY BAGS! Not anti-biotics, not doctors, just body bags.

This isn't about rape. This is about the systematic destruction of an ethnic group whose societies we already did a fine job of destroying over the last century up here in Canada. This is about money, power, land, mineral and sky rights. The rapists we let get away with these things... the murders, are just free labor to my government as far as I can tell.

We have assholes in Canada that think the Native population should be able to live as it did in the past! We have elders who can not predict the weather, mass extinctions that have altered the flow of animals the natives used to hunt. You could dip a bucket in the ocean and pull up fish when Europeans first found North America. But somehow these people should live off the land? WTF?

This isn't about rape. This is about genocide and theft because we can't face up to previous acts of genocidal theft. So it's slow, grinding and constant.

 

[inmunitas]

The point of the slut walk is to make people realize they are idiots if they think the woman dressed as a slut has anything to do with her being raped because too many in society actually blame a woman for her skin showing, when that is actually the opposite of the truth. They are trying to stop the shaming of women to " cover up" showing it was based on a lie.

Except the "slut walk" is just reinforcing the idea that dressing "like a slut" is connected with rape, it's doing the exact opposite of what the apparent intention was, maybe they need to sit down and rethink how best to communicate their message.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

I gave you my answers. The format was obviously good enough for you to get them. Reply was good enough.

There isn't much left to say. You didn't bother to consult a rape prevention hotline/center, and I am not one.

Even now there are still people arguing your statistics. Whose are right, whose are wrong?

The military invested heavily in the Patriot Anti-Missile system. You can watch it with CNN in operation over Israel. Hundreds were launched to prevent SCUD missile attacks, they all failed. Epic fail, on television, with a reporter too ignorant of what all the flashing in the sky meant to realize each launch was a failure. The military regularly buys faulty equipment. Then of course there was the atrocity of the US U-Boat fleet in WW2's first year down in the Pacific. Torpedo guidance systems weren't working, but to cover it the US Navy announced any U-Boat captain whose vessel did not sink a Japanese ship in the first year of combat would be relived of command and discharged. 1 ship was sank in all that time, one Captain retained his command. But yea there isn't a long and checkered history of US weapons appropriations. Nah.

As for the US, it's a disaster. It's a quilt of inequality. Jesus, look at this headline I woke up to: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/dallas-police-in-standoff-after-shootout-attempted-bombing-of-headquarters-1.3112320

My statement wasn't about things like that, so much as massive economic inequality that is visceral and its effects in local educational funding and outcome. Noam Chompsky once suggest that imposing the US education system on a foreign state would been seen as an act of aggression. But hey, warp it how you like, you obviously will. Seems to me that kind of 'education' can have a lasting impact on the people subjected to it though, especially the majority living in the US from a poor back ground. But fuck that! Economic inequality and educational inequality and health care inequality have nothing to do with peoples outlook on things... The poor are notably open to new ideas, especially around sex or religion, right?

All this stuff your statistics claim are prevalent I don't tend to see in Canada. I really don't. I don't see a lot of slut shaming.

As to "my daddy taught me..." So you didn't discuss things like that with your friends? You don't tease and egg one another on? Fascinating. So born mature and uninterested. Okay then...

Your putting up statistics that are arguable. That is all. The sources are all questionable and the findings in many cases are considered to have been equally arguable. I can't fight with or against those numbers. I can't take them seriously. Sorry but there's too much bullshit around statistical evidence in the area of rape and sexual assault.

Among my group of friends and the actions I've seen in my country and city's media and the statements from people in the street, slut shaming isn't a big thing. Maybe it still is in the US, but not really in Canada.

We do have serious problems... Like recently having an outgoing Armed Forces commander issue orders that a series of anticipated recommendations from a study on sexual assault in those Armed Forces, be rejected. The study was released six months latter or so, three months after that officer was replaced with a new one, who did not repeal those orders. This included ensuring regardless of the merit of the idea of a third party organization to manage sexual assault claims, it would never be deemed appropriate by any military examination and there for would never be implemented. This was an order. AN ORDER! But why focus on where we know there are problems, where there is a systemic culture of sexism and rape, when we can broadly paint the world as 'rape culture'? I see a problem there and its in the press, its in print. I don't see any of the usual suspects on here who push this idea of rape culture touching that issue with a ten foot cattle prod.

Then of course there's that sort of rape you dismiss out of hand. Have you ever heard of the Highway of Tears? Here's another one; what isn't the government of Canada interested in holding a public inquiry into? That would be all the thousands of native American women disappearing in assumed sex crimes leading to murder. We haven't even found most of the bodies they vanish so regularly. But no need to look into that, just ask my government! 'Its not on our radar.' And I quote. But hey! This is obvious stuff that just obviously isn't being managed, we should talk about different stuff that we don't have any immediate solutions to instead of doing what we can.

So regardless of your statistics on where the rapes happen, these are the ones I hear about... EVERY DAMN DAY. Every day man. Most of the response that doesn't demand action isn't prejudice in favor of rapists or anything like that. No, if those were white women we'd do something, better believe. It's racism, near as I can tell. Racism that permits that to go on and permits the government to keep winning seats even though it's letting thousands of women's deaths, the deaths of our citizens, go completely unanswered and uninvestigated. Again, that isn't even touching on the state of the military, which is disgraceful.

I make it a policy to deal with what I can see and manage. I can't manage a government inquest on my own but I can see its necessary. I can't change the culture or standing orders of the military, but I can see its necessary.

I don't know when the next woman or girl will be taken advantage of by a friend or family member. I don't. I can't prevent that, this isn't Minority Report and screaming about it isn't helping. Why don't you make noise about issues that can be managed? Places we can make a difference, clear and present and now. Surely the US has it's own hot beds of such issues? And frankly those football teams are a great place to start! They are, don't get me wrong. But this rape culture notion isn't helping.

You don't think the issues affecting Native American women are not also a part of rape culture? I am Native American, I was raped, my grandmother was raped, my sister was raped, my cousin was raped. none of the men who raped us were part of my tribe. I was raped by a wealthy white man. This is a part of the problem. They give less shits about it happening to Native Americans, this horrific treatment of Native Americans is actually part of the culture that founded the Americas and has never stopped. The way they view rape in the first place is PART of the problem that allows it to continue as badly as it does. It is just another circumstance added to the pile that makes it "okay to rape when". Ignoring the rape culture that exists is what is not helping, not attempting to address it. The problem is most want to not hear about the problems and ignore them rather than look into what is really wrong that is causing these attitudes towards rape in the first place. In order to change these things long term, we have to change the views in society that allow it to continue, this is not done easy, and it is not done by saying "it is not a problem" move on.

I'm fairly confident that were men simply raping these women and sending them on their way, we'd catch them. It is the homicide we seem so complacent over up here.

Of course there's also a general sense that the Native Americans in Canada have 'had it too good too long' at tax payers expense. Please understand, this is insane. But there it is. The level of personal and political betrayal suffered by the First Nations is frankly unimaginable. You couldn't make this stuff up. We recently concluded a long term Truth and Reconciliation program - naturally thoroughly unable to file charges against people still living and admitting to crimes committed in the Residential School Program. The survivors were asked to write their testimony which would, for privacy purposes, then be destroyed. The people in control of the program even managed to betray that promise. How fuckin' hard is that? Just destroy the damn records like the victims asked for! But nope, they couldn't even do that.

Last time a SARS like outbreak happened up north in predominantly native American populated areas the government had the audacity to send them BODY BAGS! Not anti-biotics, not doctors, just body bags.

This isn't about rape. This is about the systematic destruction of an ethnic group whose societies we already did a fine job of destroying over the last century up here in Canada. This is about money, power, land, mineral and sky rights. The rapists we let get away with these things... the murders, are just free labor to my government as far as I can tell.

We have assholes in Canada that think the Native population should be able to live as it did in the past! We have elders who can not predict the weather, mass extinctions that have altered the flow of animals the natives used to hunt. You could dip a bucket in the ocean and pull up fish when Europeans first found North America. But somehow these people should live off the land? WTF?

This isn't about rape. This is about genocide and theft because we can't face up to previous acts of genocidal theft. So it's slow, grinding and constant.

They may not even be dead, often men keep women against their will, they very well could be being held captive somewhere being raped repeatedly until they die. The RAPE is part of the problem, it is a form of torture, even worse in many social circles it is still seen as acceptable. EVEN the abusive school they forced me to attend as a child where they raped 142- 144 boys is still open when it should have been shut down. Rape is only one part of the problem against Native Americans, but it is still very much a problem as well. I have had white friends that were raped as well, as this is not just a native american issue, this affects all races. We do have other issues, but failing to acknowledge that rape is one of them isn't help solve the problem. RAPE is a problem too.

Having other problems doesn't take away from the fact that rape is still very much a BIG problem that needs to be addressed.

 

[deeman010]

These feminists are so ...... ehh.....

I'd wager that isolating rape in statistics has done a bit of damage to the way that... these people... treat/ learn about rape. The statistics would mean more if they partnered it up with the trend of rapes in 3rd world countries. The only way their statistic becomes relevant is from a world view perspective which won't work with application and creation of laws. I mean.... how the f are they going to create laws in my country, the Philippines, when they can't.

I believe that the solution to reducing crime ACROSS THE BOARD is economic progress. People will be educated, systems will be improved (ie. police), cultural beliefs will shift, and etc... etc... Taking 1st world beliefs into a 3rd world setting simply doesn't add up, it would be much better if these feminists just focused on poverty or... something else.

edit: just saw the string above... the problem is that you cannot isolate rape. How do you isolate and help prevent/ solve the problem of rape when its simply part of a bigger issue against an entire race?? The same goes for people living in 3rd world countries (such as mine). How do you expect anyone to go solve a smaller issue when there is a much bigger problem staring them right in the face.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

These feminists are so ...... ehh.....

I'd wager that isolating rape in statistics has done a bit of damage to the way that... these people... treat/ learn about rape. The statistics would mean more if they partnered it up with the trend of rapes in 3rd world countries. The only way their statistic becomes relevant is from a world view perspective which won't work with application and creation of laws. I mean.... how the f are they going to create laws in my country, the Philippines, when they can't.

I believe that the solution to reducing crime ACROSS THE BOARD is economic progress. People will be educated, systems will be improved (ie. police), cultural beliefs will shift, and etc... etc... Taking 1st world beliefs into a 3rd world setting simply doesn't add up, it would be much better if these feminists just focused on poverty or... something else.

Rape is an issue for all classes, the man who raped me was wealthy and educated, his home looks like castle. It was in the wealthiest per sq ft county in the State of Texas that I was raped as a child, along with my best friend, and my sister by different men. Not only were we raped, but many others as well as a girl gang raped in our school parking lot by the football team and nothing done about it. Sometimes, money does not solve everything when you are in a culture that thinks that it is " okay to rape when.." Here, men are wealthy and powerful and think consent is irrelevant. Not every issue is resolved through wealth.

Why would they focus on something else when rape is what is important here? RAPE is the issue being addressed that needs to be addressed, not just " crimes". Crimes are being addressed across the board, rape is the crime everyone is afraid to talk about.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Except the "slut walk" is just reinforcing the idea that dressing "like a slut" is connected with rape, it's doing the exact opposite of what the apparent intention was, maybe they need to sit down and rethink how best to communicate their message.

How are they supposed to challenge the idea that dressing a certain way is connected with rape without acknowledging that people are making that connection? Not talking about it isn't going to help.

 

[inmunitas]

Except the "slut walk" is just reinforcing the idea that dressing "like a slut" is connected with rape, it's doing the exact opposite of what the apparent intention was, maybe they need to sit down and rethink how best to communicate their message.

How are they supposed to challenge the idea that dressing a certain way is connected with rape without acknowledging that people are making that connection? Not talking about it isn't going to help.

But they aren't challenging the idea, they are promoting it, all people are going to think of are the words "slut" and "rape", then associate them together. If they were actually challenging the idea then they would be trying to disassociate the two words from each other.

 

[deeman010]

lots of words

Because, watching the video, it seems like their own facts are taken from a worldwide perspective, not a local one.

Money doesn't solve problems but economic progress has been correlated with the extension of rights to marginalized groups, especially women. Imo, this is the only real indication of people's morals adjusting, therefore it is the only one that I think will actually work when dealing with issues such as rape/ sexism/ any type of discrimination.

I'm sorry to hear that you've had to go through that experience as a child. If it's of any importance, I don't really take people's feelings/ mindset about things into account when these things are discussed because of the amount of fear mongering that happens. It clouds people's thoughts on the matter, makes them more scared. I'll always try to look at it from the angle of "can it be solved through this way?" "Is it impractical/ unfeasible/ logistically possible within my lifetime?" then I rule stuff out as an option. I agree that economic progress may not do anything in the immediate future but .... if these men are as powerful as you say then how could you even go after them? How do you defeat corruption in that sort of system in such a short time? If you've gone after them and have been shut down then its not just about rape anymore.... its about the power that people, undeserving of it, hold and the system that promotes it.

 

[Erttheking]

It's common decency so I don't have to check the forum manually every half an hour. Aw well, you're not doing it for me, don't see why I should extend it to you.

So what you are basically saying is that there are matters of rape you aren't aware of that are vital to the conversation? Doesn't that kind of throw your arguments into question.

Yeah well, when they give me some actual counter-statistics instead of saying "I don't believe that" then I'll take their arguments into consideration.

And when they realize it's faulty, they stop buying it. Last time I checked, flack jackets were still being used.

I'm perfectly aware of the inequality problems in the US. I fail to see how it's relevant.

You know when it comes to economic equality, Canada is considered only slightly better than America right?

http://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/details/society/income-inequality.aspx

And economic inequality is a massive problem there.

http://www.thestar.com/business/personal_finance/investing/2014/09/11/rich_gaining_more_wealth_study_shows.html

I'm not pissed that you said America has problems. I'm pissed that you think it's unique in that regard. Considering that I found evidence to prove your wrong in two minutes online, I question how much you know about your own country. Yes I'm aware of the education problem but I question how much you do. The only information you seem to be getting from my country is sensationalist news.

Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. Are you saying my statistics are wrong? I assume you have counter statistics then.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kateandrews/2013/09/03/editorinchief-of-mises-institute-in-canada-advocates-slut-shaming-n1690262

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/carlen-costa/boudoir-photo-shoot_b_7283386.html

No. I didn't. Because I didn't hang out with cunts. Like I said, must've been born in a fucking tube. I mean not living up to stereotypes, what's wrong with me!

Then argue them. What you said isn't arguable. Until you actual give up a solid reason for why you dismiss these numbers other than you just don't want to believe it, you haven't debunked them in the slightest. Counter statistics, proof that my numbers are unreliable. There are many ways to do it. You've offered nothing.

Then how come slutwalk was held in your country in 2011?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlutWalk

You know, just because you don't want rape culture to be a real thing doesn't make it a figment of people's imagination. Too many people, far too many people, get away with rape. Hundreds of thousands of people get away with rape yearly in both of our countries. We have a rape culture. No one is actively embracing it, but it's there, it's a thing. Ignoring it helps no one.

So what you're saying is that we can't focus on more than one thing at the same time? I'm disgusted to hear that, but it smells a bit of the Appeal to Worse Problems fallacy.

And there in lies the problem. You can't see these problems because so often it's swept under the table. There was a quote from the Wolf Among us about a woman forced into sexual servitude that really stuck with me. "We suffer in silence, because the world likes it that way"

Because I don't like to just focus on hotbutton topics. Those problems need to be solved, but I'd rather treat the disease than the symptom. And I can do it by spreading the statistics that I've found. Informing people on the real troubles in our society. And I'm sorry, but if there are widespread incidents of thousands of native women being raped because of racism with society as a whole not doing much about it, I fail to see how rape culture isn't a VERY real thing. Rape culture is real, it doesn't become any less real just because you don't like the term or what it implies. It's an ugly truth and it won't get better until people decide to face it. And if Global Warming proved anything to me, people are very good at avoiding inconvenient truths.

 

[inmunitas]

You know, just because you don't want rape culture to be a real thing doesn't make it a figment of people's imagination. Too many people, far too many people, get away with rape. Hundreds of thousands of people get away with rape yearly in both of our countries. We have a rape culture. No one is actively embracing it, but it's there, it's a thing. Ignoring it helps no one.

People being able to get away with a crime is not evidence that the crime is endorsed by society, that is not evidence of "rape culture". What you are doing is simply trivializing what a "rape culture" is.

 

[deeman010]

about global warming

Dude..... everyone knows Global Warming doesn't exist because it's getting colder in my country XD

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

lots of words

Because, watching the video, it seems like their own facts are taken from a worldwide perspective, not a local one.

Money doesn't solve problems but economic progress has been correlated with the extension of rights to marginalized groups, especially women. Imo, this is the only real indication of people's morals adjusting, therefore it is the only one that I think will actually work when dealing with issues such as rape/ sexism/ any type of discrimination.

I'm sorry to hear that you've had to go through that experience as a child. If it's of any importance, I don't really take people's feelings/ mindset about things into account when these things are discussed because of the amount of fear mongering that happens. It clouds people's thoughts on the matter, makes them more scared. I'll always try to look at it from the angle of "can it be solved through this way?" "Is it impractical/ unfeasible/ logistically possible within my lifetime?" then I rule stuff out as an option. I agree that economic progress may not do anything in the immediate future but .... if these men are as powerful as you say then how could you even go after them? How do you defeat corruption in that sort of system in such a short time? If you've gone after them and have been shut down then its not just about rape anymore.... its about the power that people, undeserving of it, hold and the system that promotes it.

From a world wide perspective rape is a very serious issue globally. Women are bought and sold as sex slaves and kept against their will, raped daily by the wealthy and poor, it is a crime of power regardless of class and wealth. Yes it is more difficult to have charges pressed against the wealthy, but it is still also difficult to have charges pressed against the poor as well, it is just simply difficult to have them prosecute rape all together is the primary problem regardless of social class.

 

[Batou667]

People being able to get away with a crime is not evidence that the crime is endorsed by society, that is not evidence of "rape culture". What you are doing is simply trivializing what a "rape culture" is.

This is pretty much my position. Just because something persists doesn't mean it's being tacitly endorsed, and certainly not by the mainstream.

I mean, murder still occurs in first world countries. Sometimes the perpetrator evades justice all their life, or is acquitted. Does this mean we live in a "murder culture"?

We shouldn't have to resort to misleading, distorted or hyperbolic claims to support the ideas that a) rape is bad and b) we should try to reduce it. No reasonable person would disagree with those two points.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

Man, I'd point out how useless and stupid the whole Slutwalk thing was if it wasn't so fun to watch.
As it is, there is no point arguing with people who think the best response to rapists is pulling out their breasts.
Even the more sane femenists are best off avoiding them. As evidenced here.

I think the point of it is to make people understand that it is ignorant to blame a woman for being raped on her showing skin, since of course according to rapist, they prefer to target women who wear concealing clothing covering all their skin and behave in a shy manner.

"Even though it is thought that women who dress provocatively are the most likely to be raped, studies show that women with passive, submissive personalities are more likely to get raped. These women tend to wear clothes that are concealing such as high neckline, long pants and long sleeves. This may sound ironic but, predatory men can identify submissive women by their style of dress."
http://internetwriter62.hubpages.com/hub/Through-the-Eyes-of-Criminals-Ways-not-to-be-Singled-Out

The point of the slut walk is to make people realize they are idiots if they think the woman dressed as a slut has anything to do with her being raped because too many in society actually blame a woman for her skin showing, when that is actually the opposite of the truth. They are trying to stop the shaming of women to " cover up" showing it was based on a lie.

And what does this achieve exactly?
Right or wrong, walking around naked isn't going to prove anything. And even if it would, whats the point?
Who are they proving these points too?
And shaming in general is a term that annoys me. People can't have a dissenting opinion these days without it "shaming" someone. I do hold the opinion that walking around the city topless and drunk is just asking for trouble. But if I tried to tell someone its not a good idea, apparently I'm slut shaming.
And even if people were actually 100% blaming rape victims surely the best solution is ignoring them.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Man, I'd point out how useless and stupid the whole Slutwalk thing was if it wasn't so fun to watch.
As it is, there is no point arguing with people who think the best response to rapists is pulling out their breasts.
Even the more sane femenists are best off avoiding them. As evidenced here.

I think the point of it is to make people understand that it is ignorant to blame a woman for being raped on her showing skin, since of course according to rapist, they prefer to target women who wear concealing clothing covering all their skin and behave in a shy manner.

"Even though it is thought that women who dress provocatively are the most likely to be raped, studies show that women with passive, submissive personalities are more likely to get raped. These women tend to wear clothes that are concealing such as high neckline, long pants and long sleeves. This may sound ironic but, predatory men can identify submissive women by their style of dress."
http://internetwriter62.hubpages.com/hub/Through-the-Eyes-of-Criminals-Ways-not-to-be-Singled-Out

The point of the slut walk is to make people realize they are idiots if they think the woman dressed as a slut has anything to do with her being raped because too many in society actually blame a woman for her skin showing, when that is actually the opposite of the truth. They are trying to stop the shaming of women to " cover up" showing it was based on a lie.

And what does this achieve exactly?
Right or wrong, walking around naked isn't going to prove anything. And even if it would, whats the point?
Who are they proving these points too?
And shaming in general is a term that annoys me. People can't have a dissenting opinion these days without it "shaming" someone. I do hold the opinion that walking around the city topless and drunk is just asking for trouble. But if I tried to tell someone its not a good idea, apparently I'm slut shaming.
And even if people were actually 100% blaming rape victims surely the best solution is ignoring them.

When we are talking about women's dress, we are talking about a long history of actual shaming, stoning, murder and abuse that has not actually even stopped in many parts of the world. The point is how a woman dresses has nothing to do with rape, and focusing on her attire is removing the focus on the rapist and placing blame on the victim. When someone robs a home, do they blame the home owner or do they blame the robber? the problem with sexual assault is they blame the victim rather than the perpetrator of the crime, and they still falsely use her attire to blame the victim.
They are clearly saying :
It is not okay to rape a woman if she is naked.
It is not okay to rape a woman if she is wearing a mini skirt.
It is not okay to rape a woman because she enjoys sex.
It is not okay to rape a woman if she is sleeping.
It is not okay to rape under ANY circumstances.
STOP blaming women for being raped and stop the rapist from raping.
In summary :" solve the fucking problem and stop victim blaming."
This is a problem that cannot be ignored, it has to be addressed. They have to finally be able to talk about the crime no one wants to talk about. Pretending like it isn't there will not make it go away.

 

[FogHornG36]

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So they are not talking about rape, at a protest for rape culture?

You say that nobody is attacking her, but calling her a 12year old is an attack.

You get a gold metal in mental gymnastics.

She actually says "you're sounding a little bit like a 12 year old because this is irrelevant" after her shouty rant. As far as 'attacks' go, that is extremely mild.

Ok, so your argument now is: yes she attacked her, but it wasn't a real mean attack

also, you can take you "triggers" right back to tumbler

 

[inmunitas]

The point is how a woman dresses has nothing to do with rape, and focusing on her attire is removing the focus on the rapist and placing blame on the victim.

Then why is the "SlutWalk" focused entirely on attire? Isn't that counter intuitive?

 

[The Almighty Aardvark]

But they aren't challenging the idea, they are promoting it, all people are going to think of are the words "slut" and "rape", then associate them together. If they were actually challenging the idea then they would be trying to disassociate the two words from each other.

Um, are you proposing that people just hear words associated together ignorant of the context? For example, if I made a slogan that said "Hitler did nothing good" people would skim it and see "Hitler" and "good" and just take away that association? Because that seems like what you're proposing with the "Dressing like a 'slut' is not an invitation to be raped" message somehow reinforces the notion that dressing like a slut is an invitation to be raped.

I happen to have slightly more faith in people's ability to understand context, but maybe I shouldn't.p

 

[inmunitas]

But they aren't challenging the idea, they are promoting it, all people are going to think of are the words "slut" and "rape", then associate them together. If they were actually challenging the idea then they would be trying to disassociate the two words from each other.

Um, are you proposing that people just hear words associated together ignorant of the context? For example, if I made a slogan that said "Hitler did nothing good" people would skim it and see "Hitler" and "good" and just take away that association? Because that seems like what you're proposing with the "Dressing like a 'slut' is not an invitation to be raped" message somehow reinforces the notion that dressing like a slut is an invitation to be raped.

I happen to have slightly more faith in people's ability to understand context, but maybe I shouldn't.p

It's called the "Slut Walk". They dress up like a 'slut' and it's about rape. Where in that is "Dressing like a 'slut' is not an invitation to be raped"?