I did make an edit, before you posted this. anyway hl2:ep3 was only one example, i gave more.Natty DL said:
Left 4 Dead 3 Ideas
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I've had enough, Valve are inventive enough to think of something new, and move on from what could become a completely-milked out franchise.
Well said my good sir, Well said. You have a vaild and very truthful view point. Further thinking does make me think it would be a bad idea. Although it may be bad choice of game design, the possiblity of a Leveling system is present.ProfessorLayton said:
I say they should just update l4d2 like they are doing with tf2, I'm not very imaginative so I can't think of much.
The idea is to not let players be able to constantly push back without dealing damage to their alllies. See, in Left 4 Dead 1 there was a crescendo event where you had to turn on a generator to raise a gate thing. But everyone realized that they could sit together in the corner just meleeing constantly without any consequences. Sure, it took longer for the infected to die, but there was no damage to the team whatsoever because no friendly fire from bullets and the zombies couldn't make it past the barrier of melee. So they wanted to make it not possible for the cornerbash to be a huge tactic, so they took away the infinite bash for versus mode. Then, they made it so that you couldn't do that in even campaign mode on Left 4 Dead 2. The reason why you can constantly melee with a weapon rather than just shoving is because it actually hurts your allies. You can't just sit in a corner anymore because it would hurt your friends. Sure, it's not realistic, but neither is infinite pistol ammo, an infected that has a super long tongue, or being able to take 2 friendly fire uzi rounds to the face before you go down.Silent Lycoris said:
The melee weapons are only identical so one won't be superpowered and one will be crap. Also, it wouldn't make much sense for, say a police baton to be in the middle of a swamp or a frying pan to be on the roof of a hotel. Not that it makes much sense for machetes and katanas to be lying around everywhere, but at least they're trying. The only have that's ever done weapon degeneration well is Dead Rising and that's to convince you to try out all the weapons and you won't just walking around with chainsaws killing everything without breaking a sweat. Also, why would your baseball bat or machete just disappear after a while of using it? If you drop it, you're stuck with pistols and some people just like melee weapons over pistols and don't want to be stuck with one they don't like. The M60 only ran out of ammo because it was a huge machine gun that could kill zombies in one shot and it could take out a tank with ease. It let you conserve your ammo for big hordes. It was so overpowered that making is go away was the only way to keep the balance.
And yes, we do want a wall of text. Let's hear what you have to say.
That would be nice. Also with vehicles. Also more control of the horde to the infected on the versus mode... somehow.kman123 said:
Nice ideas. And there should have been "kick afk leader" in the first place. I mean why L4D2 doesn't have that? But the City Mode / sandbox ideas are great. I would love to play that.fundayz said:
Luckily they introduced the weekly mutation on the L4D2, but even a monthly add-on campaing would totally kick ass.
Well considering the 365.9 hours I've sunk into Left 4 Dead 2, with 350 of those hours being in Versus mode, I would be somewhat disappointed if a third didn't come. Left 4 Dead 2 seemingly had little over its predecessor bar melee weapons and some new guns, a new grenade, and three new special infected. And yet the sheer improvement between the two is enormous. A third game would be great, and it wouldn't need much more so long as it's done right. I'd gladly wait an extra year for Episode 3 in order to get a good Left 4 Dead threequal.Jack_Uzi said:
But as for what would be good, well obviously new survivors. Don't really want them to mess with the core format of 4 survivors, 4 infected, unless its a bonus game type. Two new special infected, or maybe a new boss infected which is equal in toughness to the Tank. A-B should be kept really, but I see the appeal of a fork in the road situation, and this would be cool. Not too open though.
Maybe have an overlap with previous survivor groups, but the games have had a good level of plot, in that the only plot is the characters and the environment. Valve have done a good job of dropping you right in it without explanation.
I could list survivor ideas and level ideas, (Rock Star, homeless man, hair stylist and lorry driver travel through factory, museum, collapsing skyscraper, mountain and arctic tundra), but so long as the levels are well designed and not too samey, then it doesn't really matter where they're set.
I often thought that the survivors could have powers. If above 95 health or having used adrenaline, the survivors could do a kind of charge, similar to the charger, knocking back any zombies that are in the way, or maybe a spin attack, so that they can protect a downed person or get out of a zombie mosh pit. It's need balancing so as to not make it too hard on the Infected but I think it could work.
I'd love there to be a third game coming this November, but failing that, they could make one or two of the better mod campaigns a standard. Death Aboard and Suicide Blitz spring to mind. Still, hopefully won't be too long until the last L4D 1 DLC.
This is a very sensible suggesting. They kind of are with the mutations but more weapons would be nice. and it would be cool to have the golf club and m60 in other levels other then the passing. There isn't enough to justify a whole new game. updates for a bit then another dlc with new survivors maybe.ultimateownage said:
L4D2 should be the game and the main base of the franchise. Update it, port the original maps and survivors and fill it with dlc's.
As much as I would like to agree with you, all the locations have to be the same to an extent or it would feel inconsistent. Going from an amusement park to a swamp is a pretty big change, but they tried to make it reasonable. It's got a connected storyline and they couldn't really take it too far without it become silly and seeming forced. TF2 doesn't really have that problem and anything could happen at any time.ultimateownage said:
Not that I have a problem with free DLC like that...
You know, you have a point, but I'm sure there is a way around that though. There's nothing saying you have to stay with one group in the game, and they can always resort to expansions, like L4D2: Europe or something similar, which is cheaper than the normal games, and requires L4D2.ProfessorLayton said:
Actually, melee weapons were supposed to have limited use and break, but playtesters found it annoying.Silent Lycoris said:
Anyway, I'd like to see something in a winter setting. Because A: Zombie Santa (if they felt like internet references, Zombie Santa Christ?), and B: I've NEVER seen anything showing zombies in the snow.
... except for the total of two references in A Series of Unfortunate Events to an in-universe movie of that name.
New Infected Idea: A new common infected-leading special, because the boomer shouldn't be the only player source of common infected. It could be sort of like the clowns in Dark Carny, leading a mob of common infected except that more infected would come to it if its mob was depleted. Its special attack could be a sudden charge of CI with slightly increased health than the regulars to bog down the survivors when it is needed the most.
And instead of reading the OP im going to be a big jerkbladeofdarkness said:
That aside, do we truely need a L4d3? now don't get me wrong i absolutely loved the L4d series. I thought was an excellent mix of FPS and humble pie. if anything I think it helped all the twits who play Cod so long and think there super men get slapped in the face. if you go of on your own, you will die. just like any other horror situation. but would L4d3 just be milking the proverbial Zombie cow? theres really only so much you can do with Zombies, unless you start trying to rehabilitate them into modern society or some such nonsense. But I do believe a third L4d would simply be recycling everything that made the first two a success.
EDIT: What I WOULD like to see is some god damn closure at the End of L4D2. I understand that the story is very...loose? but cmon! i just spent 3 weeks getting to know these four bastards, and after all that build up with on the phone with the military, we literally get nothing!
"Are you prepped to handle carriers?" Prepped how? is there a cure? are you gonna shoot them, WHAT?!
Since you suggest that the cast should go through and our deal in the mountains, how about tossing in atmosphere effects (light snow to heavy) or biometrics? That way you aren't just worried about the zombies but surviving extreme colds which could decrease your health over time (heck if you throw in a level near an frozen lake you could have thin ice or a zombie could jump up from beneath it).
Also how about wild animals that are or are not infected? I mean what if you are shooting a horde of zombies and accidently shoot a bear? You could get attacked and the blood of the bear could help bring them into a frenzy, increasing all of their strengths and attributes for 30-90 seconds.
Also how about wild animals that are or are not infected? I mean what if you are shooting a horde of zombies and accidently shoot a bear? You could get attacked and the blood of the bear could help bring them into a frenzy, increasing all of their strengths and attributes for 30-90 seconds.
Alot of people seemed to be concerned about L4D3 being just more the same, yet they don't realize that it doesn't HAVE to stay the same. As well all know Valve is very good at what they do and after all the criticism they got over L4D2 being more of an xpac than a full game i doubt they'd make the same mistake again. What we have to do is make threats like these all over the internets so they know what we want and can act on it.Kelethor said:
lol you mean 'go through an ordeal'? and i don't think the game needs to start adding unnecessary things just for the sake of adding things. Any additions should not only be fitting to the style of the L4D series(that is, it doesn't take itself too seriously or realistically) but also really be something of substance. Falling through the ice or bear-shooting might fun little gimmicks but they really won't change or add anything truly significant.crouchingtigress01 said:
I remember L4D1 and that particular panic event perfectly well, I went out of my way to never use the corner with the pipes because it was boring and not fun in the slightest.ProfessorLayton said:
As for the infinite melee thing, ill accept it when they give me an auto shotgun with infinite ammo. Seriously, whats to stop two people crouching in a corner swinging away with two others behind them watching for Spitters, Smokers and Chargers?
Also, why does melee do percentile damage to the tank? Why do people need to empty clip after clip after clip into a tank to kill it when you can kill it with a few melee swings?
As for the weapons themselves, I doubt a police tonfa, frying pan, hell even a fire axe would break, but most of the others...? At least give melee a penalty of some sort, The chainsaw is a good example, good, strong, but it runs out of fuel, that's good, melee weapons in the game that make every other gun redundant, not good. It becomes a game of effectiveness vs preferability.
But as for limited ammo weapons (Gren launcher, M60, Chainsaw) They need to expand on this, its a great idea, even if it is only to make it so there isn't a 'magic pile of ammo that refills almost every gun' around every bloody corner. Though, the image of Ellis loading a Sniper with Shotty shells is kinda amusing XD
Also, buff Witches, they got boring after I found out I could kills them easily with my weapon of choice =( (Military Sniper) Besides, I don't know many people who can't crown them these days. I thought they put them in so there was something you couldn't gung-ho though?
As I said though, I use the Mil' Sniper because it gives the game some challenge (Likewise, Hunting Rifle in L4D1), I don't generally touch the melee because it just seems overpowered and it's not as fun. (It's actually why I play L4D1 so often, though I miss the spitters and such)
Have you seen the movie Dead Snow? Don't, it was awful and will probably make you rethink the idea of zombies in snow.Dr. Paine said:
But I like the idea because it's rarely been used and could make for an honestly interesting scenario. I'm seriously surprised that people haven't taken advantage of it yet.
EDIT: Oh wait, there's the Walking Dead, but that's a comic book so I don't know if it counts.