Let's Play : Hearts of Iron 3 - [Entry 20 - Atop Mountain Peaks]

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Well, congratulations on a successful invasion. I'm glad to see your gambit with the paratroopers paid off.

One thing is; how close is the USA to joining the Allies, and what's the political status of Portugal and Ireland? The way I see it, your victory will be short lived if the Americans arrive en masse in Ireland or on the Iberian Peninsula, but if you deny them a landing zone in Western Europe through diplomacy or conquest, you'll leave them having to establish a beachhead having traveled across the Atlantic, with virtually no supply lines. Just a thought.
 

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Heh, you made that look so easy. Makes you wonder why the Nazis lost. I guess I should have more faith in you. Nice one. ;)

Spain will probably just give up once Great Britain falls, right? Or is the AI stubborn like that, because really, it's not like they can hope to achieve much at this point.

Still, you could have left Denmark alone, we never did anything to you! ('Cause I'm half-Danish) Just don't bother Switzerland, we're neutral! (Also half-Swiss) Nah, I'm just kidding, do what you need to do, that's just how the Nazis roll.
 

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It was fun to read and it makes me jealous as I cannot understand this game xD
I can play Europa Universalis 3, I can play Victoria 2 but this game is so hard for me :(

Still nice to read though and maybe after I bought "For the Motherland" I will play it again :)
 

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HK_01 said:
Congrats. I'm really considering to buy this game, but I've always heard that I'm better off sticking to HOI2, which I did so far. But this looks really good, actually.
It's a great game and I highly recommend it. The reason everyone stuck with the last game was simply that Hearts of Iron III was so buggy upon release, it was nigh unplayable.

But since version 1.3 came out, it's been smooth as glass.
Bostur said:
That invasion went almost like clockwork it seems. Always a bit of a gamble, but with the British forces still engaged in Spain it was probably the best opportunity you would ever get.

Now for the most important decision - dinner. Vodka and Blinis or Paella? Thats a tough one.
Well, I really ought to deal with Spain before the Soviet Union. Since I'm not at war with the Soviet Union, I have time to spare, mopping up the Allies before I descend upon them.

Melon Hunter said:
Well, congratulations on a successful invasion. I'm glad to see your gambit with the paratroopers paid off.

One thing is; how close is the USA to joining the Allies, and what's the political status of Portugal and Ireland? The way I see it, your victory will be short lived if the Americans arrive en masse in Ireland or on the Iberian Peninsula, but if you deny them a landing zone in Western Europe through diplomacy or conquest, you'll leave them having to establish a beachhead having traveled across the Atlantic, with virtually no supply lines. Just a thought.
Well, most nations in the world are "leaning" towards the Axis, mostly because if you want to keep your nation alive, it makes sense to be friends with the biggest guy around.

However, the USA are very, very close to the Allies. If they were to suddenly shift, and decide that they preferred the Allies, they would join quickly.

Fat_Hippo said:
Heh, you made that look so easy. Makes you wonder why the Nazis lost. I guess I should have more faith in you. Nice one. ;)

Spain will probably just give up once Great Britain falls, right? Or is the AI stubborn like that, because really, it's not like they can hope to achieve much at this point.

Still, you could have left Denmark alone, we never did anything to you! ('Cause I'm half-Danish) Just don't bother Switzerland, we're neutral! (Also half-Swiss) Nah, I'm just kidding, do what you need to do, that's just how the Nazis roll.
The AI will fight to the death, since we are both in a "faction". If, say, Argentina declares war on Peru, they can settle on their own terms. But if a faction is at war with another faction, they will fight until one of them loses.

The latest expansion pack somewhat improved this, adding more choices to the Diplomacy of conquering nations, but I started this game without it.

And the Nazis did not have the huge transport flotilla that I had. Their biggest logistical problem was simply finding the ships to move their men into England, whereas I built them ahead of time.

Tigurus said:
It was fun to read and it makes me jealous as I cannot understand this game xD
I can play Europa Universalis 3, I can play Victoria 2 but this game is so hard for me :(

Still nice to read though and maybe after I bought "For the Motherland" I will play it again :)
I find this post most humourous. See, I understand the mechanics of this game pretty well (I'm still not certain about some stuff, like what affects organisation regain rate, or HQ Brigades), but the economic system of Victoria II gives me the shivers.

I just automate the whole thing, and declare war on someone. I'm good at the war bit ;).
 

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Wow! Perfectly executed. I'm glad you went with invading Britain instead of my suggestion.

Octorok said:
I find this post most humourous. See, I understand the mechanics of this game pretty well (I'm still not certain about some stuff, like what affects organisation regain rate, or HQ Brigades), but the economic system of Victoria II gives me the shivers.

I just automate the whole thing, and declare war on someone. I'm good at the war bit ;).
Yes, Vicky's economy can be a bit confusing at times. I just go for maximum free trade and maximum tariffs then focus on the geo-politics and gradual empire building.

I've tried HOI II, but there are just some game mechanics I don't get. Has HOI 3 changed the economics and production much?
 

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Octorok said:
HK_01 said:
Tigurus said:
It was fun to read and it makes me jealous as I cannot understand this game xD
I can play Europa Universalis 3, I can play Victoria 2 but this game is so hard for me :(

Still nice to read though and maybe after I bought "For the Motherland" I will play it again :)
I find this post most humourous. See, I understand the mechanics of this game pretty well (I'm still not certain about some stuff, like what affects organisation regain rate, or HQ Brigades), but the economic system of Victoria II gives me the shivers.

I just automate the whole thing, and declare war on someone. I'm good at the war bit ;).
Yeah, I admit the Victoria 2 economic system is a bit bah at times xD (I hate factories there x_x)
I rather have EU3, I just plain own at that xD

Last time I did HoI3, I managed to conquer Holland and Luxembourg (I feel SO good :D) but my assault in france just didn't move forward and belgium was a bouncing ball and Norway got re-conquered :(
Well, guess I will buy the new dlc and play it again and try to win this time xD
 

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Octogunspunk said:
Wow! Perfectly executed. I'm glad you went with invading Britain instead of my suggestion.

Yes, Vicky's economy can be a bit confusing at times. I just go for maximum free trade and maximum tariffs then focus on the geo-politics and gradual empire building.

I've tried HOI II, but there are just some game mechanics I don't get. Has HOI 3 changed the economics and production much?
I'm not really the person to ask. I only played a few hours of HoI 2, but I couldn't get into it. It was good, but I preferred the cleaner interface of HoI 3.

Tigurus said:
Yeah, I admit the Victoria 2 economic system is a bit bah at times xD (I hate factories there x_x)
I rather have EU3, I just plain own at that xD

Last time I did HoI3, I managed to conquer Holland and Luxembourg (I feel SO good :D) but my assault in france just didn't move forward and belgium was a bouncing ball and Norway got re-conquered :(
Well, guess I will buy the new dlc and play it again and try to win this time xD
I guess I recommend that, if it's the battle mechanics that flummox you, try playing as the USA.

You're pretty safe, can pick your own wars, and it gives you time to learn how to play the game before you are required to fight a war.

And when you do fight a war, you'll be pretty powerful, and able to take it easy as you get better with the mechanics.
 

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Octorok said:
Octogunspunk said:
Tigurus said:
Yeah, I admit the Victoria 2 economic system is a bit bah at times xD (I hate factories there x_x)
I rather have EU3, I just plain own at that xD

Last time I did HoI3, I managed to conquer Holland and Luxembourg (I feel SO good :D) but my assault in france just didn't move forward and belgium was a bouncing ball and Norway got re-conquered :(
Well, guess I will buy the new dlc and play it again and try to win this time xD
I guess I recommend that, if it's the battle mechanics that flummox you, try playing as the USA.

You're pretty safe, can pick your own wars, and it gives you time to learn how to play the game before you are required to fight a war.

And when you do fight a war, you'll be pretty powerful, and able to take it easy as you get better with the mechanics.
Yeah, guess it all just looked way too different from Eu3 and all xD
I bought the DLC as it is on sale at steam :) So, gonna try it again xD
And can't wait to see the next part of the let's play :)

Thanks for the tip! :D
 

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ChupathingyX said:
Well that went extremely well, good job taking advantage of a bad situation!
I began to post about how it was actually pretty simple, and anyone could have won the battles I did, before your post reminded me - I might not have won if the British Army wasn't in Spain.

If there were simply more men on the beaches where the Paratroopers and Marines landed, I could easily have been thrown back into the sea before I could bring my military weight onto the English coast.

In a weird way, I'm really quite happy that the war in Spain happened. Without it, I might not have been able to knockout the UK.
 

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Octorok said:
HK_01 said:
Congrats. I'm really considering to buy this game, but I've always heard that I'm better off sticking to HOI2, which I did so far. But this looks really good, actually.
It's a great game and I highly recommend it. The reason everyone stuck with the last game was simply that Hearts of Iron III was so buggy upon release, it was nigh unplayable.
I bought HoI3 myself based on this playthrough, and it really is very good. I haven't noticed any significant bugs myself. I never tried HoI2 though so I can't compare them.

Are the expansions/DLCs for HoI3 any good? Some seems to be graphical packs that I don't really care for, but I wonder if there are some with more substantial gameplay changes.



I find this post most humourous. See, I understand the mechanics of this game pretty well (I'm still not certain about some stuff, like what affects organisation regain rate, or HQ Brigades), but the economic system of Victoria II gives me the shivers.
According to the manual the skill level of the army commander (XXXX) adds to organistion, but that may just be max organisation not regain rate. Other than that it seems staying out of combat, avoiding attrition, being in range of HQ units, getting regular supplies and avoiding losses in general helps the regain rate as I would expect. In practice if I stack units in a well supplied city with their HQ they seem to regain organization quite fast.

I think the HQ brigades are just there to add a bit of defensive value to the HQ unit in case it gets attacked.

I like the detail they put into the command structure in the game, in theory one could manually design the whole unit structure from brigade level to theatre level.
 

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Inspired by your LP, I decided to play HOI II again, first as France in 1938, to no avail, then as Germany from 1936. I was considerably more successful as Germany this time around. As of September 1939 I have conquered Austria, Hungary, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Lux, Czechoslovakia, and Poland last of all - without any sort of Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact. :D

I've gotten to grips with the economic system this time around. Watched production closely - ensuring at least 100% production using the sliders - and built more factories to increase my industry, as anything above 100% is spare industrial capacity. Well, I have about 1-2 years to prepare for Operation Barbarossa if I go along that path.

So I no longer suck at Hearts of Iron. Excellent.
 

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Bostur said:
Octorok said:
HK_01 said:
Congrats. I'm really considering to buy this game, but I've always heard that I'm better off sticking to HOI2, which I did so far. But this looks really good, actually.
It's a great game and I highly recommend it. The reason everyone stuck with the last game was simply that Hearts of Iron III was so buggy upon release, it was nigh unplayable.
I bought HoI3 myself based on this playthrough, and it really is very good. I haven't noticed any significant bugs myself. I never tried HoI2 though so I can't compare them.

Are the expansions/DLCs for HoI3 any good? Some seems to be graphical packs that I don't really care for, but I wonder if there are some with more substantial gameplay changes.



I find this post most humourous. See, I understand the mechanics of this game pretty well (I'm still not certain about some stuff, like what affects organisation regain rate, or HQ Brigades), but the economic system of Victoria II gives me the shivers.
According to the manual the skill level of the army commander (XXXX) adds to organistion, but that may just be max organisation not regain rate. Other than that it seems staying out of combat, avoiding attrition, being in range of HQ units, getting regular supplies and avoiding losses in general helps the regain rate as I would expect. In practice if I stack units in a well supplied city with their HQ they seem to regain organization quite fast.

I think the HQ brigades are just there to add a bit of defensive value to the HQ unit in case it gets attacked.

I like the detail they put into the command structure in the game, in theory one could manually design the whole unit structure from brigade level to theatre level.
The expansions are good (Semper Fi, For the Motherland, and Dies Irae: Gotterdammerung), they add *actual* content, unlike the sprite packs.

The game and DLC is all currently on a really, really good Steam sale.

If you're considering buying this game, or its expansions, it's never been cheaper than now, so go for it.

Octogunspunk said:
Inspired by your LP, I decided to play HOI II again, first as France in 1938, to no avail, then as Germany from 1936. I was considerably more successful as Germany this time around. As of September 1939 I have conquered Austria, Hungary, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Lux, Czechoslovakia, and Poland last of all - without any sort of Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact. :D

I've gotten to grips with the economic system this time around. Watched production closely - ensuring at least 100% production using the sliders - and built more factories to increase my industry, as anything above 100% is spare industrial capacity. Well, I have about 1-2 years to prepare for Operation Barbarossa if I go along that path.

So I no longer suck at Hearts of Iron. Excellent.
Years from now, when assessing my life, I can truthfully look back at my achievements and say, "Well, I did make that one Escapist user better at Hearts of Iron. That's a plus."

Next entry is forthcoming, (hopefully) expect it tomorrow.
 

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Octorok said:
Octogunspunk said:
Inspired by your LP, I decided to play HOI II again, first as France in 1938, to no avail, then as Germany from 1936. I was considerably more successful as Germany this time around. As of September 1939 I have conquered Austria, Hungary, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Lux, Czechoslovakia, and Poland last of all - without any sort of Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact. :D

I've gotten to grips with the economic system this time around. Watched production closely - ensuring at least 100% production using the sliders - and built more factories to increase my industry, as anything above 100% is spare industrial capacity. Well, I have about 1-2 years to prepare for Operation Barbarossa if I go along that path.

So I no longer suck at Hearts of Iron. Excellent.
Years from now, when assessing my life, I can truthfully look back at my achievements and say, "Well, I did make that one Escapist user better at Hearts of Iron. That's a plus."

Next entry is forthcoming, (hopefully) expect it tomorrow.
Yep, for what it's worth, you helped a fellow Octo-person.

I managed to outright win by the end of 1947. I invaded Norway in 1944, and D-Day and Operation Barbarossa never even happened. Not a single bullet or bombshell was exchanged between Soviet and Nazi forces. Cue a long period of air and sometimes naval battles against US and UK forces across the channel. Then in 1945 I invaded Northern Ireland and developed a nuclear bomb, which hit London. After that, a small invasion force was sent to Liverpool. It was defeated. I spent 1945-1947 turtling with nuclear weapons, and in the end after another two, all the American forces died from radiation sickness and I started another ragtag invasion which would spearhead from Liverpool down to the channel ports, subverting Britain's coastal defences and allowing a larger invasion force. After a series of fast-moving battles, I managed to push the British up to Scotland. By 1st January 1948 it ended with German forces controlling everything south of Glasgow. I probably narrowly avoided nuking my family in that whole mess.
 

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Notice : Sorry, further waiting is likely.

Relax, it's not some enormous calamity or problem. Just a series of mundane little problems. I happen to have an unusually large workload this week, coupled with a weekend of unwanted houseguests, and a day or two of bad health thrown in there for good measure (with the fun side-effect of making the workload even harder to get through.)

I'll be especially busy tomorrow, but hopefully I'll be able to resume a regular schedule again on Wednesday.

I apologise for the inconvenience.
 

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Notice : I know today's entry is another shorter one, and I'm sorry that it was this length after the long wait, but when you find out why it's this long, you'll forgive me.

[HEADING=2]Entry 10 - Diplomacy[/HEADING]


We open today with a massively annoying glitch. You'll notice this is a running theme this entry.

There's been a Polish uprising in the town of... Metz? The French town on the German border. See, somehow, the Poles took an ENTIRE TANK BRIGADE through Germany and nobody noticed . Moreover, they took Metz. Which is situated along the Maginot Line, giving it the highest possible land fortifications in the game.

See, when forts are that strong, basically you need an army to shift even the tiniest force, and you'll take casualties. Bad ones.

I don't relish having to take the town back.


I get to work replacing the heavy Paratrooper casualties I took in Operation : Sealion.

For reference, I took about 40-50,000 casualties in all, and 30,000 of those were Paratroopers.


Meanwhile, my men will spend this Christmas in the North of Scotland. Since the British have cities in Egypt, India and the East, they haven't got the point of surrender, despite my total military victory on the Home Islands.

This means I must manually move troops into every province of the British Isles. This is tedious.


With the collapse of the United Kingdom, I am now able to exert total diplomatic dominance onto the United States. They are now leaning so heavily towards the Axis, they'll be able to join in under a year.

It's around this point that I notice that, despite the fact that (due to my intelligence services) 42% of the vote goes towards the German-American Party, the entire US government is Democrats.

Odd.

Also - since I just got some DLC that added "War goals", I try one out. I put my goal in the war with the UK as "Conquer". Total Victory.


The Soviets are uncomfortable with having my borders so close to Moscow. They insist that I give up Eastern Poland, or they will assume that we intend war with the USSR.

I'm not entirely happy about it, but I really have no choice. I give them what they want.


This is the new border. On reflection, it's not that bad. Due to the fact that I still own the Baltic and the curve of their border, I'll be able to flank and destroy whatever troops they put into Poland.

If they invest heavily enough in Poland, I might even be in a better position than I was before.


More Mechanised troops. This time, however, I deploy them around Metz, encircling the Polish defenders.


The British pull back, to make a stand at the Orkney Islands.

I'm worried about the assault there. Once again, their bombers have shredded my supply lines, and my fighters can't help because the supply convoys to Glasgow (the only airbase in Scotland) are being sunk by the hundred.


I replace those men I lost in the invasion, but I'm suffering in Scotland. The supply problems are just snowballing.

1)I can't attack the naval bases to remove the raiding ships because the men have no supplies.

2)The men have no supplies because the roads are being bombed.

3)The roads are being bombed because my fighter planes have no supplies.

4)The fighters have no supplies because the convoys are being raided.

5)Go to 1.


You see that? That's the computer cheating. Outrageously.

I kept on seeing that my convoys were being attacked by US ships, but I assumed the US was simply giving ships to the UK secretly.

But that ship flies the flag of the United States of America, and it sinks my supply convoys. We are not at war. There has been no declaration of war. I cannot attack their ships - if I try, nothing happens.

If I were to try to attack someone's convoys, I'm fairly certain the game would demand that I declare war. This feels like the game is breaking its own rules, to be honest.


While I now know why so many of my ships are getting sunk (because the USA are liars), it doesn't help me much. This is a map of the infrastructure in Scotland.

The black areas represent areas where the roads are so bad, I physically cannot move across them.

It's the Frisian Islands all over again, only worse, because the USA is sinking my entire navy, and I can't do anything about it.


On the subject of the game cheating, my assault on Metz goes exactly as I predicted. I get nowhere, and die at an alarming rate.


In a bout of optimism, I drop Paratroopers onto Metz. I wish I knew what the hell happened, because suddenly, the Poles surrendered.

Bear in mind, I was watching the battle the whole time. At no point did I breakthrough. They were beating me right up until the second they inexplicably surrendered.

I guess I'm not complaining, just puzzled. Still, the success of my Paratroopers gives me an idea...


AHAHAHAHA! YES! MY PARATROOPERS, ONCE AGAIN, SAVE THE DAY.

In terms of strategic victories, just about every major breakthrough in the past 6 years of war has come from Germany's Magic Airwarriors.


Despite not having any supplies, or transport boats, my Paratroopers land on the mainland, pursuing the British army.

It's like the Miracle of Metz all over again.


Important tech here. I begin work on the first level of a technology that will allow me to build Nuclear Reactors. After I've done four levels of this technology (a long way off), I'll be able to research the big one - The Nuclear Bomb.


The UK defences are now wrecked, not just by my invasion, but by British guerillas attempting to stop the forts from being used by the German army.

They must be very coordinated partisans, considering all the forts where fine a few seconds ago, but whatever.


On the 28th of September, 1941, I finally occupy all of the United Kingdom.

I was looking forward to not having any more convoy raids, until I realised that the Allied bases in Spain are close enough to continue the naval war from there.

I'm looking forward to finally crushing Spain, and when I do, I'm not just going to "Occupy" them. I'm setting my occupation policy in Spain to "Total Exploitation". I will seize everything they have and enslave the populace.

I hate Spain. They deserve absolutely everything I'm going to bring down on them.


I declare war on Ireland. Look, nothing personal, but I cannot rely on the Irish military to repel an Allied landing, even if they were in the Axis.


The campaign is quick. My men are hardened by the seven campaigns they have fought, and soon take Dublin.


Soon after I seize the province of Cork, Ireland surrenders.


I see. If you can't tell what that says, the United States have declared war on Nazi Germany.

They claim it is due to a German attack on them, which they call "a day which will live in infamy".

They also call my attack "sudden" and "deliberate".

You know what? We having a saying here in Britain. It goes something like, "Fuck America with a rusty pike, you filthy, cheating bastards."

You attack me for months on end (without letting me fight back), you ignore the fact that half your populace supports me, and you would have joined the Axis inside of two months, and you have the audacity to blame me for an act of war (one that I swear, I did not commit)?

In game, I do indeed call this a day that will live in infamy. Despite the blatant injustice, I'm not cheating. It's tempting to just load an older save or something, but I'd feel like I was lying to you.

But out of game? I have one word for you - RAGEQUIT.

END OF ENTRY 10
 

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Well, thats a shitty move from the USA.
What will you do now that you're in war with them? D=
I still find it nice how you came this far. :)

I also bought For the Motherland and installed the game again. And I can't seem to lower my neutrality, so I can't attack Poland or anyone :( How did you do that?
 

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Tigurus said:
Well, thats a shitty move from the USA.
What will you do now that you're in war with them? D=
I still find it nice how you came this far. :)

I also bought For the Motherland and installed the game again. And I can't seem to lower my neutrality, so I can't attack Poland or anyone :( How did you do that?
I just cheated to lower neutrality, it's a stupid game mechanic.

Press the "`" key, and type "noneutrality", without the quotes.

I'm not sure what I'll do with the US. On the one hand, I can ignore them, and repel any attempted landings, and focus on Spain/Europe, then Russia, as was my intention.

Or, I can focus entirely on the States early on, before they mobilise, invading and occupying the USA and Canada.

Or, I can do a mixture of both. Ignore them now, and nuke them to shreds later.

Like my gamble on Sealion, I'm genuinely interested in the opinions of my readers once again.

What do I do about America?
 

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...Americans.

I know you have your heart set on Spain, so you should probably get rid of them first while repeling any American invasions.

Then again I'm curious how an invasion of the US would go.

Your call.
 

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...Americans.

I know you have your heart set on Spain, so you should probably get rid of them first while repeling any American invasions.

Then again I'm curious how an invasion of the US would go.

Your call.
I actually have no idea how I'd invade the States (if I went with that strategy). There's the Caribbean, Mexico, Canada, and the East Coast.

OK. I'm not averse to using the weaker points of Mexico and the Caribbean as staging points for my invasion. While fighting more men than I have to sounds unpleasant, I'm reasonably sure I can secure a zone in those areas, as long as I can definitely hold against the combined forces of the US, Canada, and whatever nations I invade in the area.

On the other hand, the US is just starting to mobilize. It's possible that it simply cannot garrison the East Coast entirely, and I can land at some weak spot. This is a poor plan - it leaves me no guaranteed strongholds, and it's possible that I won't be able to capture enough ports to ship supplies across, if I capture any at all.

No, the East Coast is out.

Lastly, Canada. I know for a fact that I can take Canada on, their navy is less likely to murder me than the US Navy, and they are closer to my naval domain than the other options.

On the other hand, I don't exactly relish conducting a campaign in that terrain. The frozen wastes of the invasion zone will be hard on my men and my supply lines, and the land will suit defenders to a tee.

Assuming I was to invade the United States, the kind of naval dominance I'd require cannot be established until 1943 at the earliest. The longer I leave the invasion, the stronger the US would get.

This isn't like Sealion - no easy retreat, vast distances, I can't bring Paratroopers to bear easily or as I choose, harder terrain (Mexico or Canada is harder than the UK, easily) and a larger defending force.

Tough question. And that's not even discussing the strategic implications of simply ignoring the States and hoping they can't invade me.

Oh dear lord. An unpleasant thought occurs. What if they send their army to Spain? The Allied army there is already absolutely vast, I can't even comprehend the casualties I'd take fighting that and the US military.