Let's Play: Knights of the Old Republic COMPLETE

[Plinglebob]

Though, I do like how the game punishes you in the long term for being evil.

This is one of the things I ultimately didn't like about it because it ends up giving a "Right" and "Wrong" choice. KOTORII and later Bioware games did it better where what you have at the end depends more on how you treat your party then how you acting towards the world.

However, I would love a developer (preferably Oblivion) to make an RPG that ultimately screws you for being a good guy.

 

[woodaba]

Though, I do like how the game punishes you in the long term for being evil.

This is one of the things I ultimately didn't like about it because it ends up giving a "Right" and "Wrong" choice. KOTORII and later Bioware games did it better where what you have at the end depends more on how you treat your party then how you acting towards the world.

However, I would love a developer (preferably Oblivion) to make an RPG that ultimately screws you for being a good guy.

Dragon Age II did if perfectly. You have two diametrically opposed factions, each as bad and as good as the other. The right choice and the wrong choice, ultimately come down to the p personal perception of the player.

Also, Dragon Age Origins DID punish you for being the best good guy.

Spoiler

Orzammar is royally fucked over, you yourself die, your love interest is left destitute and broken, and there is no Warden to defend against the upcoming threat, whatever it is....

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

UPDATE 9: FACE OF THE BETRAYER

Spoiler

Last time, a prominent member of the Black Vulkar gang offered us a unique proposition. It was tight, but the Evil choice just pipped ahead.

Kill Gadon Thek, leader of the Hidden Beks, and he'll give us Bastila and 500 credits.

"You've got a deal. Now, hand over Bastila, and I'll kill Gadon."

"...What."

"B-But this is just the same as Gadon's plan! Oh, screw it. The people want Evil? I'll give them evil. You've got a deal."

So, we have a new objective. Kill Gadon, and we get 500 credits, and the chance to ride for the Black Vulkars in the upcoming race.

But first, we have some business at the local Cantina.

We're gonna report in our bounties from earlier, along with the Rakghoul serum.

"Gurney said I should speak to you about the Rakghoul Serum."

"Hold on a minute, Hutt! I've trudged through the Undercity, surrounded by Rakghouls, trailing along this insane 14-year old and her walking carpet. You better give me 1500 credits for this baby, or I'm gonna shove it up your ass!"

"I've got a bounty I want to collect on."

"I slew the pathetic Matrick in his hole. That berk's sailing the Styx now."

"Here - 300 credits. That's the price for all bounties."

"Hutt, we've been through this song and dance before. 400 credits, or I shove a grenade so far down your mouth you'll lay an egg."

Hooray for repeating dialogue!

We do the same exact thing with the other bounty. I won't bore you with it, I know you lot just want to go straight to the killing and maiming and betraying.

Dum dee dum

Hmm... Gadon's not standing out in the open like before. This could work to our advantage.

"And where are these Private Quarters?"

"Down the right hall, past the 2 guards we have stationed there, and down a lift."

"Oh, all right then. Thank you. I will use that information to avoid that area entirely and not do anything suspicous over there at all. You can trust me."

"Ok. Despite my incredibly paranoid demeanor beforehand, I'm not going to even entertain the thought that you are the assassin sent to kill out boss."

"Perish the thought."

well their security is just top-notch isn't it

"And I would know. Along with everyone else in this gang. At the same time.

"Your proclomation fills me with disgust. Have at you!"

Thankfully, the way is open to Gadon.

"Not in the middle of what we were doing! Don't you people ever knock?"

"Calm down, woman. They're probably just here to join in the fun. Aw, yeah."

"Um...yeah...that's right....uh...that's what..we're here...for. Oh, god."

The fight against Gadon is pretty hard. Apart from the fight against the super-robot in the last update, this is the first genuinely tough fight in the game. Nothing grenade spam can't fix!

That, and a samurai Wookiee. For fun, imagine Zaalbar is voiced by Micheal Dorn. Awesome.

Oh shit! Gadon's going Super-Saiyan!

However, after Zaalbar and Mission kill Gadon, his bodyguard kneels before us.

"I...am sorry. Have mercy, strong one."

"All who oppose must die. Have heart. You fought well."

Time to flee from this place with our tails between our legs.

Unfortunately, fleeing from battle is dishonorable for a Wookiee, and Zaalbar leaps into the fray with his Katana. I think you know how this ends for the Beks.

Even as we leave, the lookout out front attempts to stop us. Foolishness.

Back at the Black Vulkar base, we're given a pat on the back for our wanton murder.

"Gadon died screaming like a skinned Ronto. So will you if you don't hand Bastila over right now!"

"Why do I get the feeling you're not telling me something?"

FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC. THIS JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER, DOESN'T IT?

"(sigh) I guess I have no choice."

Restless...? Also, I'm the Narrator, game. Don't do my job.

"Sorry."

"Forget it. Lets just get straight to the racing. The Narrator will explain this better than you can."

Thanks, Varen.

I feel so much better now.

Welcome to the swoop racing pit, the introduction to KoTOR's other minigame, Swoop Racing. Its much better than Pazaak, but that isn't saying much. By steering and changing gears, you have to dodge the obstacles on the track and get the best time. I'll probably do an update later on for all the swoop racing nonsense, but right now, lets get out there and show these posers who's boss. But first....

That must be Bastila, the person we've spent these last 8 updates looking for. Wait a minute...

She looks oddly familiar... Ah, well. Probably my imagination. Let's get on with this.

"I want to race one of my heats."

And, here we go. Controls are very simple, mouse moves the swoop, spacebar changes gear. Whenever the speed bar in the bottom fills up, thats when you want to change gear.

We finish in 25 seconds. 25 seconds? This would make a sucky spectator sport.

"That's because I'm great. Haven't you realized this by now?"

Oh, it's on now.

We shave a few milliseconds off our previous time. Will it be enough?

Yes! Apparently, Anglu only got, like, one millisecond off our time. Hooray!

"God, this is humiliating. To think, I am the one bowing? These cretins should bow before my mastery of the swoop bike."

"You better not be trying to fuck with me, Brejik!"

Oh, shit, Bastila's awake.

Well done for just blurting out your plan in front of everyone, idiot.

Is it just me, or is this screenshot hilarious?

"Finally! Now I can kill you all!"

This fight is much easier than it looks. Bastila cuts through Brejik like a knife through butter, and his bodyguards are pathetically easy to kill.

You can't see it right now, but the swordfighting animations in this game are REALLY good. Rather than just hitting their flesh until they die, in this game, each it is blocked, but damage is still taken off, so its more like youre breaking their block to deal the killing blow rather than just wailing on them with a sword.

"Rest in pieces, Brejik. You were an arse."

Our first lightsaber!

"My name's Luke Skywa-I mean Varen. I'm here to save you."

Finally! Someone who's as big of a jerk as Varen!

"You looked more like a helpless prisoner to me, you stuck up Jedi. Get your lighsaber out of your ass."

"Hey, who said you were in charge here?"

"Captain Carth McDoofus and I are already working on a plan to get off the planet."

And so ends today's update. We're on the home stretch now, folks. Soon enough, we'll leave this godforsaken planet and actually start the plot. See you next time, Escapists!

Question time! In games that give you the option, are you usually Good or Evil, and why? Personally, I usually play good, mainly because being evil often just seems petty and spiteful, and in the few games where Evil choices seem as valid as the good ones, I just don't want to disappoint the other characters.

Almost always good. I enjoy it more. I really piss off evil companions though.

Also, as for the title of this update...

Spoiler

 

[woodaba]

UPDATE 9: FACE OF THE BETRAYER

Spoiler

Last time, a prominent member of the Black Vulkar gang offered us a unique proposition. It was tight, but the Evil choice just pipped ahead.

Kill Gadon Thek, leader of the Hidden Beks, and he'll give us Bastila and 500 credits.

"You've got a deal. Now, hand over Bastila, and I'll kill Gadon."

"...What."

"B-But this is just the same as Gadon's plan! Oh, screw it. The people want Evil? I'll give them evil. You've got a deal."

So, we have a new objective. Kill Gadon, and we get 500 credits, and the chance to ride for the Black Vulkars in the upcoming race.

But first, we have some business at the local Cantina.

We're gonna report in our bounties from earlier, along with the Rakghoul serum.

"Gurney said I should speak to you about the Rakghoul Serum."

"Hold on a minute, Hutt! I've trudged through the Undercity, surrounded by Rakghouls, trailing along this insane 14-year old and her walking carpet. You better give me 1500 credits for this baby, or I'm gonna shove it up your ass!"

"I've got a bounty I want to collect on."

"I slew the pathetic Matrick in his hole. That berk's sailing the Styx now."

"Here - 300 credits. That's the price for all bounties."

"Hutt, we've been through this song and dance before. 400 credits, or I shove a grenade so far down your mouth you'll lay an egg."

Hooray for repeating dialogue!

We do the same exact thing with the other bounty. I won't bore you with it, I know you lot just want to go straight to the killing and maiming and betraying.

Dum dee dum

Hmm... Gadon's not standing out in the open like before. This could work to our advantage.

"And where are these Private Quarters?"

"Down the right hall, past the 2 guards we have stationed there, and down a lift."

"Oh, all right then. Thank you. I will use that information to avoid that area entirely and not do anything suspicous over there at all. You can trust me."

"Ok. Despite my incredibly paranoid demeanor beforehand, I'm not going to even entertain the thought that you are the assassin sent to kill out boss."

"Perish the thought."

well their security is just top-notch isn't it

"And I would know. Along with everyone else in this gang. At the same time.

"Your proclomation fills me with disgust. Have at you!"

Thankfully, the way is open to Gadon.

"Not in the middle of what we were doing! Don't you people ever knock?"

"Calm down, woman. They're probably just here to join in the fun. Aw, yeah."

"Um...yeah...that's right....uh...that's what..we're here...for. Oh, god."

The fight against Gadon is pretty hard. Apart from the fight against the super-robot in the last update, this is the first genuinely tough fight in the game. Nothing grenade spam can't fix!

That, and a samurai Wookiee. For fun, imagine Zaalbar is voiced by Micheal Dorn. Awesome.

Oh shit! Gadon's going Super-Saiyan!

However, after Zaalbar and Mission kill Gadon, his bodyguard kneels before us.

"I...am sorry. Have mercy, strong one."

"All who oppose must die. Have heart. You fought well."

Time to flee from this place with our tails between our legs.

Unfortunately, fleeing from battle is dishonorable for a Wookiee, and Zaalbar leaps into the fray with his Katana. I think you know how this ends for the Beks.

Even as we leave, the lookout out front attempts to stop us. Foolishness.

Back at the Black Vulkar base, we're given a pat on the back for our wanton murder.

"Gadon died screaming like a skinned Ronto. So will you if you don't hand Bastila over right now!"

"Why do I get the feeling you're not telling me something?"

FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC. THIS JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER, DOESN'T IT?

"(sigh) I guess I have no choice."

Restless...? Also, I'm the Narrator, game. Don't do my job.

"Sorry."

"Forget it. Lets just get straight to the racing. The Narrator will explain this better than you can."

Thanks, Varen.

I feel so much better now.

Welcome to the swoop racing pit, the introduction to KoTOR's other minigame, Swoop Racing. Its much better than Pazaak, but that isn't saying much. By steering and changing gears, you have to dodge the obstacles on the track and get the best time. I'll probably do an update later on for all the swoop racing nonsense, but right now, lets get out there and show these posers who's boss. But first....

That must be Bastila, the person we've spent these last 8 updates looking for. Wait a minute...

She looks oddly familiar... Ah, well. Probably my imagination. Let's get on with this.

"I want to race one of my heats."

And, here we go. Controls are very simple, mouse moves the swoop, spacebar changes gear. Whenever the speed bar in the bottom fills up, thats when you want to change gear.

We finish in 25 seconds. 25 seconds? This would make a sucky spectator sport.

"That's because I'm great. Haven't you realized this by now?"

Oh, it's on now.

We shave a few milliseconds off our previous time. Will it be enough?

Yes! Apparently, Anglu only got, like, one millisecond off our time. Hooray!

"God, this is humiliating. To think, I am the one bowing? These cretins should bow before my mastery of the swoop bike."

"You better not be trying to fuck with me, Brejik!"

Oh, shit, Bastila's awake.

Well done for just blurting out your plan in front of everyone, idiot.

Is it just me, or is this screenshot hilarious?

"Finally! Now I can kill you all!"

This fight is much easier than it looks. Bastila cuts through Brejik like a knife through butter, and his bodyguards are pathetically easy to kill.

You can't see it right now, but the swordfighting animations in this game are REALLY good. Rather than just hitting their flesh until they die, in this game, each it is blocked, but damage is still taken off, so its more like youre breaking their block to deal the killing blow rather than just wailing on them with a sword.

"Rest in pieces, Brejik. You were an arse."

Our first lightsaber!

"My name's Luke Skywa-I mean Varen. I'm here to save you."

Finally! Someone who's as big of a jerk as Varen!

"You looked more like a helpless prisoner to me, you stuck up Jedi. Get your lighsaber out of your ass."

"Hey, who said you were in charge here?"

"Captain Carth McDoofus and I are already working on a plan to get off the planet."

And so ends today's update. We're on the home stretch now, folks. Soon enough, we'll leave this godforsaken planet and actually start the plot. See you next time, Escapists!

Question time! In games that give you the option, are you usually Good or Evil, and why? Personally, I usually play good, mainly because being evil often just seems petty and spiteful, and in the few games where Evil choices seem as valid as the good ones, I just don't want to disappoint the other characters.

Almost always good. I enjoy it more. I really piss off evil companions though.

Also, as for the title of this update...

Spoiler

Well, an update with a betrayal involved had to have a reference crowbarred in somewhere, hadn't it?

 

[AD-Stu]

Question time! In games that give you the option, are you usually Good or Evil, and why? Personally, I usually play good, mainly because being evil often just seems petty and spiteful, and in the few games where Evil choices seem as valid as the good ones, I just don't want to disappoint the other characters.

For the most part I go with the "good" choices, it can depend on the game though. One thing I really don't like though (KOTOR is guilty of it) is when your character gets visibly deformed once you've made too many "evil" choices. I mean, not everyone who follows the Dark Side has to look like the Emperor...

 

[woodaba]

Question time! In games that give you the option, are you usually Good or Evil, and why? Personally, I usually play good, mainly because being evil often just seems petty and spiteful, and in the few games where Evil choices seem as valid as the good ones, I just don't want to disappoint the other characters.

For the most part I go with the "good" choices, it can depend on the game though. One thing I really don't like though (KOTOR is guilty of it) is when your character gets visibly deformed once you've made too many "evil" choices. I mean, not everyone who follows the Dark Side has to look like the Emperor...

I kinda like that. I like the fact that your outward appearance reflects the corruption of your soul. It was done well in Fable, where you literally became the Devil if you were evil enough. Also, think about the two practicioners of the Dark side in the original movies. One was a horribly deformed burn victim in a metal suit, and one had his skin melted. Who says everyone who follows the dark side can't look like the Emperor?

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

UPDATE 9: FACE OF THE BETRAYER

Spoiler

Last time, a prominent member of the Black Vulkar gang offered us a unique proposition. It was tight, but the Evil choice just pipped ahead.

Kill Gadon Thek, leader of the Hidden Beks, and he'll give us Bastila and 500 credits.

"You've got a deal. Now, hand over Bastila, and I'll kill Gadon."

"...What."

"B-But this is just the same as Gadon's plan! Oh, screw it. The people want Evil? I'll give them evil. You've got a deal."

So, we have a new objective. Kill Gadon, and we get 500 credits, and the chance to ride for the Black Vulkars in the upcoming race.

But first, we have some business at the local Cantina.

We're gonna report in our bounties from earlier, along with the Rakghoul serum.

"Gurney said I should speak to you about the Rakghoul Serum."

"Hold on a minute, Hutt! I've trudged through the Undercity, surrounded by Rakghouls, trailing along this insane 14-year old and her walking carpet. You better give me 1500 credits for this baby, or I'm gonna shove it up your ass!"

"I've got a bounty I want to collect on."

"I slew the pathetic Matrick in his hole. That berk's sailing the Styx now."

"Here - 300 credits. That's the price for all bounties."

"Hutt, we've been through this song and dance before. 400 credits, or I shove a grenade so far down your mouth you'll lay an egg."

Hooray for repeating dialogue!

We do the same exact thing with the other bounty. I won't bore you with it, I know you lot just want to go straight to the killing and maiming and betraying.

Dum dee dum

Hmm... Gadon's not standing out in the open like before. This could work to our advantage.

"And where are these Private Quarters?"

"Down the right hall, past the 2 guards we have stationed there, and down a lift."

"Oh, all right then. Thank you. I will use that information to avoid that area entirely and not do anything suspicous over there at all. You can trust me."

"Ok. Despite my incredibly paranoid demeanor beforehand, I'm not going to even entertain the thought that you are the assassin sent to kill out boss."

"Perish the thought."

well their security is just top-notch isn't it

"And I would know. Along with everyone else in this gang. At the same time.

"Your proclomation fills me with disgust. Have at you!"

Thankfully, the way is open to Gadon.

"Not in the middle of what we were doing! Don't you people ever knock?"

"Calm down, woman. They're probably just here to join in the fun. Aw, yeah."

"Um...yeah...that's right....uh...that's what..we're here...for. Oh, god."

The fight against Gadon is pretty hard. Apart from the fight against the super-robot in the last update, this is the first genuinely tough fight in the game. Nothing grenade spam can't fix!

That, and a samurai Wookiee. For fun, imagine Zaalbar is voiced by Micheal Dorn. Awesome.

Oh shit! Gadon's going Super-Saiyan!

However, after Zaalbar and Mission kill Gadon, his bodyguard kneels before us.

"I...am sorry. Have mercy, strong one."

"All who oppose must die. Have heart. You fought well."

Time to flee from this place with our tails between our legs.

Unfortunately, fleeing from battle is dishonorable for a Wookiee, and Zaalbar leaps into the fray with his Katana. I think you know how this ends for the Beks.

Even as we leave, the lookout out front attempts to stop us. Foolishness.

Back at the Black Vulkar base, we're given a pat on the back for our wanton murder.

"Gadon died screaming like a skinned Ronto. So will you if you don't hand Bastila over right now!"

"Why do I get the feeling you're not telling me something?"

FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC. THIS JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER, DOESN'T IT?

"(sigh) I guess I have no choice."

Restless...? Also, I'm the Narrator, game. Don't do my job.

"Sorry."

"Forget it. Lets just get straight to the racing. The Narrator will explain this better than you can."

Thanks, Varen.

I feel so much better now.

Welcome to the swoop racing pit, the introduction to KoTOR's other minigame, Swoop Racing. Its much better than Pazaak, but that isn't saying much. By steering and changing gears, you have to dodge the obstacles on the track and get the best time. I'll probably do an update later on for all the swoop racing nonsense, but right now, lets get out there and show these posers who's boss. But first....

That must be Bastila, the person we've spent these last 8 updates looking for. Wait a minute...

She looks oddly familiar... Ah, well. Probably my imagination. Let's get on with this.

"I want to race one of my heats."

And, here we go. Controls are very simple, mouse moves the swoop, spacebar changes gear. Whenever the speed bar in the bottom fills up, thats when you want to change gear.

We finish in 25 seconds. 25 seconds? This would make a sucky spectator sport.

"That's because I'm great. Haven't you realized this by now?"

Oh, it's on now.

We shave a few milliseconds off our previous time. Will it be enough?

Yes! Apparently, Anglu only got, like, one millisecond off our time. Hooray!

"God, this is humiliating. To think, I am the one bowing? These cretins should bow before my mastery of the swoop bike."

"You better not be trying to fuck with me, Brejik!"

Oh, shit, Bastila's awake.

Well done for just blurting out your plan in front of everyone, idiot.

Is it just me, or is this screenshot hilarious?

"Finally! Now I can kill you all!"

This fight is much easier than it looks. Bastila cuts through Brejik like a knife through butter, and his bodyguards are pathetically easy to kill.

You can't see it right now, but the swordfighting animations in this game are REALLY good. Rather than just hitting their flesh until they die, in this game, each it is blocked, but damage is still taken off, so its more like youre breaking their block to deal the killing blow rather than just wailing on them with a sword.

"Rest in pieces, Brejik. You were an arse."

Our first lightsaber!

"My name's Luke Skywa-I mean Varen. I'm here to save you."

Finally! Someone who's as big of a jerk as Varen!

"You looked more like a helpless prisoner to me, you stuck up Jedi. Get your lighsaber out of your ass."

"Hey, who said you were in charge here?"

"Captain Carth McDoofus and I are already working on a plan to get off the planet."

And so ends today's update. We're on the home stretch now, folks. Soon enough, we'll leave this godforsaken planet and actually start the plot. See you next time, Escapists!

Question time! In games that give you the option, are you usually Good or Evil, and why? Personally, I usually play good, mainly because being evil often just seems petty and spiteful, and in the few games where Evil choices seem as valid as the good ones, I just don't want to disappoint the other characters.

Almost always good. I enjoy it more. I really piss off evil companions though.

Also, as for the title of this update...

Spoiler

Well, an update with a betrayal involved had to have a reference crowbarred in somewhere, hadn't it?

As I said, Neverwinter Nights 2, Mask of the Betrayer, is something popular among LPers. I just kinda find that funny.

 

[woodaba]

UPDATE 9: FACE OF THE BETRAYER

Spoiler

Last time, a prominent member of the Black Vulkar gang offered us a unique proposition. It was tight, but the Evil choice just pipped ahead.

Kill Gadon Thek, leader of the Hidden Beks, and he'll give us Bastila and 500 credits.

"You've got a deal. Now, hand over Bastila, and I'll kill Gadon."

"...What."

"B-But this is just the same as Gadon's plan! Oh, screw it. The people want Evil? I'll give them evil. You've got a deal."

So, we have a new objective. Kill Gadon, and we get 500 credits, and the chance to ride for the Black Vulkars in the upcoming race.

But first, we have some business at the local Cantina.

We're gonna report in our bounties from earlier, along with the Rakghoul serum.

"Gurney said I should speak to you about the Rakghoul Serum."

"Hold on a minute, Hutt! I've trudged through the Undercity, surrounded by Rakghouls, trailing along this insane 14-year old and her walking carpet. You better give me 1500 credits for this baby, or I'm gonna shove it up your ass!"

"I've got a bounty I want to collect on."

"I slew the pathetic Matrick in his hole. That berk's sailing the Styx now."

"Here - 300 credits. That's the price for all bounties."

"Hutt, we've been through this song and dance before. 400 credits, or I shove a grenade so far down your mouth you'll lay an egg."

Hooray for repeating dialogue!

We do the same exact thing with the other bounty. I won't bore you with it, I know you lot just want to go straight to the killing and maiming and betraying.

Dum dee dum

Hmm... Gadon's not standing out in the open like before. This could work to our advantage.

"And where are these Private Quarters?"

"Down the right hall, past the 2 guards we have stationed there, and down a lift."

"Oh, all right then. Thank you. I will use that information to avoid that area entirely and not do anything suspicous over there at all. You can trust me."

"Ok. Despite my incredibly paranoid demeanor beforehand, I'm not going to even entertain the thought that you are the assassin sent to kill out boss."

"Perish the thought."

well their security is just top-notch isn't it

"And I would know. Along with everyone else in this gang. At the same time.

"Your proclomation fills me with disgust. Have at you!"

Thankfully, the way is open to Gadon.

"Not in the middle of what we were doing! Don't you people ever knock?"

"Calm down, woman. They're probably just here to join in the fun. Aw, yeah."

"Um...yeah...that's right....uh...that's what..we're here...for. Oh, god."

The fight against Gadon is pretty hard. Apart from the fight against the super-robot in the last update, this is the first genuinely tough fight in the game. Nothing grenade spam can't fix!

That, and a samurai Wookiee. For fun, imagine Zaalbar is voiced by Micheal Dorn. Awesome.

Oh shit! Gadon's going Super-Saiyan!

However, after Zaalbar and Mission kill Gadon, his bodyguard kneels before us.

"I...am sorry. Have mercy, strong one."

"All who oppose must die. Have heart. You fought well."

Time to flee from this place with our tails between our legs.

Unfortunately, fleeing from battle is dishonorable for a Wookiee, and Zaalbar leaps into the fray with his Katana. I think you know how this ends for the Beks.

Even as we leave, the lookout out front attempts to stop us. Foolishness.

Back at the Black Vulkar base, we're given a pat on the back for our wanton murder.

"Gadon died screaming like a skinned Ronto. So will you if you don't hand Bastila over right now!"

"Why do I get the feeling you're not telling me something?"

FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC. THIS JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER, DOESN'T IT?

"(sigh) I guess I have no choice."

Restless...? Also, I'm the Narrator, game. Don't do my job.

"Sorry."

"Forget it. Lets just get straight to the racing. The Narrator will explain this better than you can."

Thanks, Varen.

I feel so much better now.

Welcome to the swoop racing pit, the introduction to KoTOR's other minigame, Swoop Racing. Its much better than Pazaak, but that isn't saying much. By steering and changing gears, you have to dodge the obstacles on the track and get the best time. I'll probably do an update later on for all the swoop racing nonsense, but right now, lets get out there and show these posers who's boss. But first....

That must be Bastila, the person we've spent these last 8 updates looking for. Wait a minute...

She looks oddly familiar... Ah, well. Probably my imagination. Let's get on with this.

"I want to race one of my heats."

And, here we go. Controls are very simple, mouse moves the swoop, spacebar changes gear. Whenever the speed bar in the bottom fills up, thats when you want to change gear.

We finish in 25 seconds. 25 seconds? This would make a sucky spectator sport.

"That's because I'm great. Haven't you realized this by now?"

Oh, it's on now.

We shave a few milliseconds off our previous time. Will it be enough?

Yes! Apparently, Anglu only got, like, one millisecond off our time. Hooray!

"God, this is humiliating. To think, I am the one bowing? These cretins should bow before my mastery of the swoop bike."

"You better not be trying to fuck with me, Brejik!"

Oh, shit, Bastila's awake.

Well done for just blurting out your plan in front of everyone, idiot.

Is it just me, or is this screenshot hilarious?

"Finally! Now I can kill you all!"

This fight is much easier than it looks. Bastila cuts through Brejik like a knife through butter, and his bodyguards are pathetically easy to kill.

You can't see it right now, but the swordfighting animations in this game are REALLY good. Rather than just hitting their flesh until they die, in this game, each it is blocked, but damage is still taken off, so its more like youre breaking their block to deal the killing blow rather than just wailing on them with a sword.

"Rest in pieces, Brejik. You were an arse."

Our first lightsaber!

"My name's Luke Skywa-I mean Varen. I'm here to save you."

Finally! Someone who's as big of a jerk as Varen!

"You looked more like a helpless prisoner to me, you stuck up Jedi. Get your lighsaber out of your ass."

"Hey, who said you were in charge here?"

"Captain Carth McDoofus and I are already working on a plan to get off the planet."

And so ends today's update. We're on the home stretch now, folks. Soon enough, we'll leave this godforsaken planet and actually start the plot. See you next time, Escapists!

Question time! In games that give you the option, are you usually Good or Evil, and why? Personally, I usually play good, mainly because being evil often just seems petty and spiteful, and in the few games where Evil choices seem as valid as the good ones, I just don't want to disappoint the other characters.

Almost always good. I enjoy it more. I really piss off evil companions though.

Also, as for the title of this update...

Spoiler

Well, an update with a betrayal involved had to have a reference crowbarred in somewhere, hadn't it?

As I said, Neverwinter Nights 2, Mask of the Betrayer, is something popular among LPers. I just kinda find that funny.

Its an incredible game. Its not that weird that people like it.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

UPDATE 9: FACE OF THE BETRAYER

Spoiler

Last time, a prominent member of the Black Vulkar gang offered us a unique proposition. It was tight, but the Evil choice just pipped ahead.

Kill Gadon Thek, leader of the Hidden Beks, and he'll give us Bastila and 500 credits.

"You've got a deal. Now, hand over Bastila, and I'll kill Gadon."

"...What."

"B-But this is just the same as Gadon's plan! Oh, screw it. The people want Evil? I'll give them evil. You've got a deal."

So, we have a new objective. Kill Gadon, and we get 500 credits, and the chance to ride for the Black Vulkars in the upcoming race.

But first, we have some business at the local Cantina.

We're gonna report in our bounties from earlier, along with the Rakghoul serum.

"Gurney said I should speak to you about the Rakghoul Serum."

"Hold on a minute, Hutt! I've trudged through the Undercity, surrounded by Rakghouls, trailing along this insane 14-year old and her walking carpet. You better give me 1500 credits for this baby, or I'm gonna shove it up your ass!"

"I've got a bounty I want to collect on."

"I slew the pathetic Matrick in his hole. That berk's sailing the Styx now."

"Here - 300 credits. That's the price for all bounties."

"Hutt, we've been through this song and dance before. 400 credits, or I shove a grenade so far down your mouth you'll lay an egg."

Hooray for repeating dialogue!

We do the same exact thing with the other bounty. I won't bore you with it, I know you lot just want to go straight to the killing and maiming and betraying.

Dum dee dum

Hmm... Gadon's not standing out in the open like before. This could work to our advantage.

"And where are these Private Quarters?"

"Down the right hall, past the 2 guards we have stationed there, and down a lift."

"Oh, all right then. Thank you. I will use that information to avoid that area entirely and not do anything suspicous over there at all. You can trust me."

"Ok. Despite my incredibly paranoid demeanor beforehand, I'm not going to even entertain the thought that you are the assassin sent to kill out boss."

"Perish the thought."

well their security is just top-notch isn't it

"And I would know. Along with everyone else in this gang. At the same time.

"Your proclomation fills me with disgust. Have at you!"

Thankfully, the way is open to Gadon.

"Not in the middle of what we were doing! Don't you people ever knock?"

"Calm down, woman. They're probably just here to join in the fun. Aw, yeah."

"Um...yeah...that's right....uh...that's what..we're here...for. Oh, god."

The fight against Gadon is pretty hard. Apart from the fight against the super-robot in the last update, this is the first genuinely tough fight in the game. Nothing grenade spam can't fix!

That, and a samurai Wookiee. For fun, imagine Zaalbar is voiced by Micheal Dorn. Awesome.

Oh shit! Gadon's going Super-Saiyan!

However, after Zaalbar and Mission kill Gadon, his bodyguard kneels before us.

"I...am sorry. Have mercy, strong one."

"All who oppose must die. Have heart. You fought well."

Time to flee from this place with our tails between our legs.

Unfortunately, fleeing from battle is dishonorable for a Wookiee, and Zaalbar leaps into the fray with his Katana. I think you know how this ends for the Beks.

Even as we leave, the lookout out front attempts to stop us. Foolishness.

Back at the Black Vulkar base, we're given a pat on the back for our wanton murder.

"Gadon died screaming like a skinned Ronto. So will you if you don't hand Bastila over right now!"

"Why do I get the feeling you're not telling me something?"

FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC. THIS JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER, DOESN'T IT?

"(sigh) I guess I have no choice."

Restless...? Also, I'm the Narrator, game. Don't do my job.

"Sorry."

"Forget it. Lets just get straight to the racing. The Narrator will explain this better than you can."

Thanks, Varen.

I feel so much better now.

Welcome to the swoop racing pit, the introduction to KoTOR's other minigame, Swoop Racing. Its much better than Pazaak, but that isn't saying much. By steering and changing gears, you have to dodge the obstacles on the track and get the best time. I'll probably do an update later on for all the swoop racing nonsense, but right now, lets get out there and show these posers who's boss. But first....

That must be Bastila, the person we've spent these last 8 updates looking for. Wait a minute...

She looks oddly familiar... Ah, well. Probably my imagination. Let's get on with this.

"I want to race one of my heats."

And, here we go. Controls are very simple, mouse moves the swoop, spacebar changes gear. Whenever the speed bar in the bottom fills up, thats when you want to change gear.

We finish in 25 seconds. 25 seconds? This would make a sucky spectator sport.

"That's because I'm great. Haven't you realized this by now?"

Oh, it's on now.

We shave a few milliseconds off our previous time. Will it be enough?

Yes! Apparently, Anglu only got, like, one millisecond off our time. Hooray!

"God, this is humiliating. To think, I am the one bowing? These cretins should bow before my mastery of the swoop bike."

"You better not be trying to fuck with me, Brejik!"

Oh, shit, Bastila's awake.

Well done for just blurting out your plan in front of everyone, idiot.

Is it just me, or is this screenshot hilarious?

"Finally! Now I can kill you all!"

This fight is much easier than it looks. Bastila cuts through Brejik like a knife through butter, and his bodyguards are pathetically easy to kill.

You can't see it right now, but the swordfighting animations in this game are REALLY good. Rather than just hitting their flesh until they die, in this game, each it is blocked, but damage is still taken off, so its more like youre breaking their block to deal the killing blow rather than just wailing on them with a sword.

"Rest in pieces, Brejik. You were an arse."

Our first lightsaber!

"My name's Luke Skywa-I mean Varen. I'm here to save you."

Finally! Someone who's as big of a jerk as Varen!

"You looked more like a helpless prisoner to me, you stuck up Jedi. Get your lighsaber out of your ass."

"Hey, who said you were in charge here?"

"Captain Carth McDoofus and I are already working on a plan to get off the planet."

And so ends today's update. We're on the home stretch now, folks. Soon enough, we'll leave this godforsaken planet and actually start the plot. See you next time, Escapists!

Question time! In games that give you the option, are you usually Good or Evil, and why? Personally, I usually play good, mainly because being evil often just seems petty and spiteful, and in the few games where Evil choices seem as valid as the good ones, I just don't want to disappoint the other characters.

Almost always good. I enjoy it more. I really piss off evil companions though.

Also, as for the title of this update...

Spoiler

Well, an update with a betrayal involved had to have a reference crowbarred in somewhere, hadn't it?

As I said, Neverwinter Nights 2, Mask of the Betrayer, is something popular among LPers. I just kinda find that funny.

Its an incredible game. Its not that weird that people like it.

Well, it's not uncommon that I see it get referenced in a LP. I don't know many people who played it, so I guess that's why

 

[woodaba]

UPDATE 10: AND THE OSCAR FOR WORST JEDI GOES TO...

Well, that was one hell of an unintended hiatus. Between the computer I use for footage capture simply not working for the best part of a week, and the dual threats to my free time that are the Mass Effect 3 demo and Syndicate (1993) (so many good memories with this game, and I have the new one on my desk ready to play). I deeply apologize to anyone I left hangin. Without further ado....

Spoiler

Last time, we ended by going back to our apartment WAAAAY back from when we first landed on Taris. Our sleep is not peaceful however...

Bastila?...

This is our dream from before... but why is Bastila here?

The ship outside the window fires, and an explosion knocks Revan on his ass.

However, its seems we awaken to a rare moment where Carth's brain actually processes something, he realizes that Bastila has been standing there for quite some time.

"It appears you are still as slow as ever, Carth. Wait a minute... what did you just say?"

"Oh, shut up Bastila. I'm getting real tired of your whining. Your attitude sucks."

Yeah... this is probably the most controversial thing about the Old Republic era. The Jedi are aloof, arrogant, distanced, and generally are just a metaphor for the UK supreme court. Maybe. See, the Jedi are riding high. The entire galaxy regards them as knights in shining armor, and they are very much the heroes of the republic. However, after the beginning of the Jedi Civil War, people began to view the Jedi with more distrust. They realized they were just as tempted by selfish desires as the rest of us. Thing is, the Jedi still acted aloof and arrogant. This REALLY come back to bite the Jedi in the ass in KoTOR II, but the beginnings of it can be seen here.

Except it won't because Battle Meditation is just a plot device and has no real use in gameplay.

"Like Kermit the Frog! Or Bambi!"

"The two of you...SHUT UP! I can't hear myself THINK!"

"Given your general incompetence, that is DEFINITELY going to happen. Let's get as far as we can before you ruin everything for everyone."

"It's like....you have veins pulsating around your face. You look like...Evil incarnate or something."

"No, mom. It's just the cool look. morality-gauges-that-affect-your-outward-appearance are all the rage these days."

"That sounds perfectly reasonable. But before we go...."

"Before we saved your idiot ass, you mean."

You are underestimating the power of Grenade Spam, lady.

"You didn't escape the Black Vulkars until I arrived, though. Where does that fit in to your scheme of things?"

"What can I say? I'm a talented individual."

Well! Look who's giving us a lecture in modesty! This is gold.

Because Jedi are the only people who could have done such things. Han Solo, Dash Rendar, Lando Calrissian, R2-D2, THE ENTIRE REBEL ALLIANCE, and the Fett clan would like a word with you, Bastila.

"I think you're underestimating us non-jedi. Get off your fucking high horse already."

"Be glad I'm the Player Cha- I mean, "Force Sensitive", otherwise, you'd still be rotting in a hole at the center of this planet."

So, a Jedi Padawan, an Idiot, a Power Hungry Disney Villain, a fourteen year old, and her pet carpet all go in search of a means of escape. Sounds like the start of a bad joke.

Bastila officially joins our party. She's a Jedi Sentinel, which is the Rogue class of the three Jedi paths. They can use stealth, and are actually more suited to blasters than lightsabers. But, sine I'm sure all of you like lightsabers better, we're gonna stick her with a saber.

As soon as we step out of our apartment, we are greeted by a Twi'lek.

I find this weird. You don't walk up to a person in the street and say "You, Black Person" or "You, Asian." I think this guy is just a racist.

"What do you want, Twi'lek? See, I can do the Racist dance too, asshole."

So...you do want something. You want to give me a message. What is WITH this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFKylgGk73I&noredirect=1

"Canderous? The Mandalorian that works for Davik Kang?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeldwfOwuL8&noredirect=1

"Ok, I get the message. I'll go meet him now."

"Erectile disfunction is one of these things, suprisingly enough."

And here's Bastila with her Double-Bladed weapon of choice. She had one before they were cool.

But first.....RANDOM THIEVERY!

your misery gives me power

Back to Taris' surface. We've got business in the local Cantina.

And here we have my favorite character in the whole game. Oh, not in this game. He, like pretty much everyone, doesn't come into their own until the sequel. He's pretty much your standard honor-before-reason warrior dude in this game. He's still pretty badass though, like an old man who can still kick some ass.

"And how do you plan on doing that?"

Carth, If you're still tagging around with Varen, you don't really care about someone's conscience.

"Canderous, my middle name is Crazy."

"Really?"

"Yep. The name's Varen Crazy AxeMurder."

"...Seriously? That's an....ominous name."

"How am I supposed to break into the Military Base?"

"Why the hell are you making ME do this? Aren't you meant to be be a badass mandalorian? Why don't you do it yourself?"

"Okay Canderous, you've got a deal."

"That's what you said about the hustler over at the pool table."

"I am certain that individual was force sensitive. He was able to block out my thoughts."

"Keep justifying your incompetence to yourself Bastila. We all know you suck."

"SHUT UP! I HAZ BATTLE MEDITATION!"

"Yeah, yeah. Come back when it's a useful ability."

*Bastila goes off to cry*

As we leave, Carth wants to talk to us. (sigh). Let's get this over with...

"What's the problem now?"

"Yes. I want to argue with you until you realize your utter uselessness and throw yourself off the highest building on Nar Shaddaa."

"I can make you talk you fucking imbecile. Trust me."

And so began the Jedi Civil War...

"They turned evil. That's just the logical thing to do. These Revan and Malak guys sound pretty smart. Especially Revan."

"You say that with such...Hatred. Gooooooood."

Um...what? If anything, Varen deserves it more than anyone! She's pure evil! Jesus, how much of an idiot is Carth?

Enough of that nonsense. Time to gang up on Bastila!

Wait...what? She did use her Battle Meditation on the Endar Spire? But Carth said earlier that she didn't! What the hell is going on here?

Oh, this is great. This great and powerful Jedi, so important to the war effort, lost her friggin lightsaber. Brilliant.

"Maybe losing lightsabers is a side-effect of her battle menditation?"

"Yeah, especially not our drunken binge in the lower city. That can stay out of the report."

More foreshadowing for the Old Republic. Did Bioware really plan this stuff out?

"What did they see, exactly?"

So while worlds burned under the Mandalorians, the Council just sat there "evaluating" things. To be honest, I'm with Carth on this one. The jedi just sat there, in their academy, playing the fiddle while the republic burned. They're like the Norway of the Star Wars universe.

Bullshit. If Revan had not disobeyed the council, someone would have.

Carth, I hate you, but that line was awesone. We told her.

Here's the droid shop. Let's get this droid that Canderous was talking about.

"Yeah, yeah. Your life story is fucking fascinating. Gimme Canderous' droid already."

"What? How dare you! Gimme that droid right now or I will come down here with Davik Kang's personal army, and when that happens, THERE WILL BE A GREAT RECKONING!"

Hooray!

Here's T3-M4. He's another character that really comes into his own in the sequel, while in this game, he's just sort of...there. Here, I'll show you.

"I want to ask you some questions."

"You didn't even know what I was going to ask!"

"Just chime in if you have any advice."

And that's it. Thats T3. The fucking mercenaries from Neverwinter Nights had more character than this dustbin. T3 has no character. He's just there to fill out the party roster with the obligatory R2-D2 clone.

"Come on T3, lets get you to unlock this door."

And that's it. T3 goes onto the backburner for the rest of time. We will never use, or talk to him, ever again.

As we enter the base, we encounter something we never expected to encounter in a friggin military installation.

Oh shit... Tune in tommorrow, to find out what happens next. Who wants to guess it involves mass murder?

Question time! What is your least favorite playable character in any RPG? For me, it has to be Edward from Final Fantasy IV. He can't fight worth crap, and yet the game saddles you with him for a huge chunk of the game. Plus, he's a spoony bard.

 

[endtherapture]

Never realised there was that much foreshadowing in KoTOR for KoTOR2.

Spoiler

I like the idea that the Trayus Academy consumed them, and made them realise they needed the power of the dark side to defeat the True Sith, as opposed to what is in TOR which just has them brainwashed by the True Sith to be generic badguys.

Revan becoming a Sith for the greater good was a really cool idea. Just having him brainwashed by a generic evil bad guy Sith dude is poo.

TOR butchered Obsidians great ideas for the franchise.

 

[woodaba]

Never realised there was that much foreshadowing in KoTOR for KoTOR2.

I like the idea that the Trayus Academy consumed them, and made them realise they needed the power of the dark side to defeat the True Sith, as opposed to what is in TOR which just has them brainwashed by the True Sith to be generic badguys.

Revan becoming a Sith for the greater good was a really cool idea. Just having him brainwashed by a generic evil bad guy Sith dude is poo.

TOR butchered Obsidians great ideas for the franchise.

Remember to mark spoilers! Some people may not have played those games, or read the god-awful book.

But yeah, TOR ruined much of the ideas that KoTOR II set down, particularly when it came to Revan. However...

Spoiler

The whole "dark side is nessecary to beat the true sith" I felt was still there. Because the Republic lost the War. They stubbornly refused to embrace Revan's ideas of the Force, and that was their downfall. They were literally blinded by light.

 

[endtherapture]

But yeah, TOR ruined much of the ideas that KoTOR II set down, particularly when it came to Revan. However...

Spoiler

The whole "dark side is nessecary to beat the true sith" I felt was still there. Because the Republic lost the War. They stubbornly refused to embrace Revan's ideas of the Force, and that was their downfall. They were literally blinded by light.

It actually reminds me of Mass Effect and the Reapers.

I'm pretty sure no-one would have believed Revan about the True Sith because he was discredited by the Jedi after the Mandalorian Wars. So he would have been just telling everyone about this giant Empire going to destroy them, and no-one would have listened. Instead of just letting everyone ignore him, Revan goes and gains great power then takes over the galaxy so he can ready for the Sith invasion.

It's like if Shepard just conquered the galaxy to prepare everyone for the Reapers instead of doing what he actually did.

 

[woodaba]

But yeah, TOR ruined much of the ideas that KoTOR II set down, particularly when it came to Revan. However...

Spoiler

The whole "dark side is nessecary to beat the true sith" I felt was still there. Because the Republic lost the War. They stubbornly refused to embrace Revan's ideas of the Force, and that was their downfall. They were literally blinded by light.

It actually reminds me of Mass Effect and the Reapers.

I'm pretty sure no-one would have believed Revan about the True Sith because he was discredited by the Jedi after the Mandalorian Wars. So he would have been just telling everyone about this giant Empire going to destroy them, and no-one would have listened. Instead of just letting everyone ignore him, Revan goes and gains great power then takes over the galaxy so he can ready for the Sith invasion.

It's like if Shepard just conquered the galaxy to prepare everyone for the Reapers instead of doing what he actually did.

Man, they should make that game. An alternate universe Elite-style game, where you fly around taking over the galaxy planet-by-planet. I would totally play that!

 

[AD-Stu]

Question time! What is your least favorite playable character in any RPG? For me, it has to be Edward from Final Fantasy IV. He can't fight worth crap, and yet the game saddles you with him for a huge chunk of the game. Plus, he's a spoony bard.

I seem to remember hating the entire case of Final Fantasy VIII (the only FF game I ever spent any real time playing).

But the award has to go to Gerald (sorry - Geralt) from The Witcher. If he was supposed to become something more than a boring, unlikeable fucktard then the writers really should have started dropping hints about it before the halfway point of the game because that's where I gave up in disgust. Seriously, I couldn't have given less of a toss about the character, his witcher buddies, what he was trying to achieve, or whether he lived or died.

Actually that last bit's not quite true: I would have preferred that he died.

 

[woodaba]

Question time! What is your least favorite playable character in any RPG? For me, it has to be Edward from Final Fantasy IV. He can't fight worth crap, and yet the game saddles you with him for a huge chunk of the game. Plus, he's a spoony bard.

I seem to remember hating the entire case of Final Fantasy VIII (the only FF game I ever spent any real time playing).

But the award has to go to Gerald (sorry - Geralt) from The Witcher. If he was supposed to become something more than a boring, unlikeable fucktard then the writers really should have started dropping hints about it before the halfway point of the game because that's where I gave up in disgust. Seriously, I couldn't have given less of a toss about the character, his witcher buddies, what he was trying to achieve, or whether he lived or died.

Actually that last bit's not quite true: I would have preferred that he died.

I really like the Witcher, but Geralt is just booooooring. No personality, no emotion, just a grouchy voice and constantly being horny. Great character. /sarcasm

FF7's cast is a...mixed bag. Personally, I liked the way Cloud's emoism was portrayed, but I can see why people hate him. Aeris sucked, Tifa was pretty good, Barret was pretty rad, Red XIII was just sort of there, Cid was awesome, and the rest sucked.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Yeah... this is probably the most controversial thing about the Old Republic era. The Jedi are aloof, arrogant, distanced, and generally are just a metaphor for the UK supreme court

I wonder how that would work in America?.

Now I?m thinking of Antonin Scalia as a Jedi?

Now I?m thinking of Antonin Scalia as a Sith. ? The second one works better. You know, lightsaber battles would make SCOTUS cases a lot more interesting.

Spoiler

Yeah. I can totally see this dude shooting force lightning

"They turned evil. That's just the logical thing to do. These Revan and Malak guys sound pretty smart. Especially Revan."

Ya know, I gotta be honest. I have no freaking clue who Revan really is or how he relates to our character. Care to fill me in?

Question time! What is your least favorite playable character in any RPG? For me, it has to be Edward from Final Fantasy IV. He can't fight worth crap, and yet the game saddles you with him for a huge chunk of the game. Plus, he's a spoony bard.

Bishop. I really, really wanted to stab him with a holy avenger the moment I saw him. Because I could tell he would be trouble

 

[DustyDrB]

Taris. Never. Ends. I have still been following this Let's Play. It's just that I find Taris utterly dull. I admit I rush through it, skipping through most of the dialogue, whenever I replay KotOR. But it picks up after that. Are you gonna do the "arena" part? Remember when every RPG had an obligatory arena section?

Ya know, I gotta be honest. I have no freaking clue who Revan really is or how he relates to our character. Care to fill me in?

That's like the video game equivalent of not knowing who Luke Skywalker is spawned from. How have you managed to keep yourself in the dark on that one?

Spoiler: The answer to your question.

You, the player, are Revan.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Taris. Never. Ends. I have still been following this Let's Play. It's just that I find Taris utterly dull. I admit I rush through it, skipping through most of the dialogue, whenever I replay KotOR. But it picks up after that. Are you gonna do the "arena" part? Remember when every RPG had an obligatory arena section?

Ya know, I gotta be honest. I have no freaking clue who Revan really is or how he relates to our character. Care to fill me in?

That's like the video game equivalent of not knowing who Luke Skywalker is spawned from. How have you managed to keep yourself in the dark on that one?

Spoiler: The answer to your question.

You, the player, are Revan.

*Sob*

I LEARNED BY WATCHING YOU!

I have no idea how. I've heard conflicting information on it

But wait, I thought Revan was a guy. Our character is a woman. And do we know we're Revan? This confuzzles me!

 

[DustyDrB]

Taris. Never. Ends. I have still been following this Let's Play. It's just that I find Taris utterly dull. I admit I rush through it, skipping through most of the dialogue, whenever I replay KotOR. But it picks up after that. Are you gonna do the "arena" part? Remember when every RPG had an obligatory arena section?

Ya know, I gotta be honest. I have no freaking clue who Revan really is or how he relates to our character. Care to fill me in?

That's like the video game equivalent of not knowing who Luke Skywalker is spawned from. How have you managed to keep yourself in the dark on that one?

Spoiler: The answer to your question.

You, the player, are Revan.

*Sob*

I LEARNED BY WATCHING YOU!

I have no idea how. I've heard conflicting information on it

But wait, I thought Revan was a guy. Our character is a woman. And do we know we're Revan? This confuzzles me!

Spoilers follow...

Spoiler: Recitation:

There is a supposed "canon" that someone (in BioWare, in LucasArts, or whatever) picked some time after KotOR's release. According to that, Revan is male, light-side, and a consular (though I might be wrong on that last bit).

This canon doesn't come into play in KotOR II, as that game allows you to define who Revan was in dialogue options (some people think it picked a canon based on an early conversation with Atton Rand, but those people are wrong. You can correct whatever he says about Revan. Similar things happen in other conversations in that game). The canon only comes into play in Revan (the novel. The terrible, terrible novel) and (from what I hear) The Old Republic MMORPG. There might be other Expanded Universe books where the canon version of Revan is used, but I'm not aware as I don't read them.

So given that info, there are people like me (KotOR II fanboys) who plug their ears and deny all mentions of canonicity. And I especially do this after reading most of the Revan novel (it was terrible! The horror! [sub]The horror...[/sub]).

At the start of KotOR and through the vast majority of the game, you are not aware that you are Revan. How? Because of explosions, concussions, super Jedi mind tricks, and amnesia.