Major paradox

[mrpenguinismyhomeboy]

I think your misinterpreting chaos theory. The things that chaos theory applies to, such as weather, bouncing balls, dart throwing, and such, can all be predicted. Just only from a certain point. Chaos theory doesn't say that weather can't be predicted, it just says it can be predicted reasonably beyond two weeks. A bouncing ball can't be reasonable predicted beyond the third bounce. That's because chaotic systems, like the weather, rely heavily on intial conditions which change so much over the course of time, depending on the system. The Uncertainty principle is the one that says you can never be 100% certain about anything, but it really only applies to quantum sciences, not the classical sciences, so it can all be safely disregarded. If it did apply to classical physics, then phenomena like Archimedes principle, Bernoulli's principle, Ohm's law, and even gravity could never be counted on to actually work. So yeah, your confusing Chaos with uncertainty, which doesn't apply to things bigger then an atom.

Sorry, had to explain it all. I'm a nerd for these things.

 

[ExaltedK9]

What exactly is the chaos theory? You might've explained that in the OP.

 

[Xvito]

Chaos theory determains that nothing is ever certain. It alwayes applies, to all things, no matter what. There will be no 100%s, and there will be no 0%s. It is a law that cannot be avoided, one that governs all things from beginning to end.
Wait a moment here...
Does that mean that CHAOS is actually the only CERTAIN, ORDERLY thing there is in the cosmos?

Freaky, in my opinion.

What do you think?

There is a major flaw in your argument... There are other things that are certain, for example: Death... Or... An entire planet is never going to materialize itself inside of your head.

Some things are certain and some things aren't, that is the way things are.

Also, what's up with Jesus?

 

[Anachronism]

You can't argue that chaos is the only orderly thing in the universe; that's a contradiction in terms. Just because it's not orderly, however, doesn't mean it's not certain. There is always going to be chaos; nothing is certain.

Except for death and taxes.

Yea, well One in a million chances happen nine time out of ten.

According to Terry Pratchett, at least.

 

[DigitalSushi]

thats the thing, Chaos theory itself knows that by its own rules it can be broken, and thats the beauty of it, when Chaos theory is broken by its own laws then it was chaos theory that broke itself.

Its the theory that everything is uncertain, including, its own formula that it isn't strictly governed by.

 

[mrpenguinismyhomeboy]

What exactly is the chaos theory? You might've explained that in the OP.

Chaos theory is the study of chaotic systems. They are called such because they rely heavily on the initial conditions (the condition at the start of the process), and because over time the initial conditions will change drastically, and thus the system will then do something different because of the change. Chaotic systems, like the weather and a bouncing ball, can be predicted, but only up to a certain time frame. For example, weather cannot be predicted reasonably beyond to weeks, and a bouncing ball cannot be reasonably predicted beyond the third bounce. That's cause the initial conditions will have changed so much from when the system began that it is essentially a wild card.

 

[Captain Pancake]

"There is a certainty in uncertainty, a chance for every random occurence, and an absolute for nothing."
-Myself

 

[dmase]

I'd say that something being something certain. A can NEVER be c.

I am myself, I'm certain on that.

Technically c could be a because both are just useless symbols made to fill a gap in our language, just like every other letter. You are yourself but as soon as i say i am myself then its no longer you its me but its also everybody else, why? because you touch yourself at night/this post wasn't meant to be serious.

 

[kaziard]

The only thing that is certain is change. The universe is in a constant state of flux so nothing will ever stay the same

what bout velocity in a vaccum pretty sure thats constant, sorry i just like putting stuff like this to the test

 

[Seldon2639]

Chaos theory determains that nothing is ever certain. It alwayes applies, to all things, no matter what. There will be no 100%s, and there will be no 0%s. It is a law that cannot be avoided, one that governs all things from beginning to end.
Wait a moment here...
Does that mean that CHAOS is actually the only CERTAIN, ORDERLY thing there is in the cosmos?

Freaky, in my opinion.

What do you think?

Not really. Chaos theory is a spin off of basic entropy in thermodynamics. Chaos and randomness are not the same thing. Technically, there could be 100% and 0%, with the same exact likelyhood as any other individual state of being. There are just many, many, more ways things can be ordered that look disordered. But, if you flip a coin fifty times, there's an equal probability of there being 50 heads, fifty tails, or any other individual order of coins. There are more combinations of orderings that make a non-100% ordering, but that's just probability.

So, if you have a random number generator, and you have it generate one number between 0 and 100, what are the chances of it being 100 or 0? 1/50, right? 1/100 for either of them. So, there's a 49/50 chance it won't be either of those numbers (hence, in your mind, chaotic). But what are the chances of it being 50? 1/100. 76? 1/100. The difference is in that we simply create a measuring system which says by definition that the "ordered" sets are less likely to happen than the "disordered" sets, but that's only because we give the disordered sets many, many, more instantiations.

 

[PlasticTree]

Chaos theory determains that nothing is ever certain. It alwayes applies, to all things, no matter what. There will be no 100%s, and there will be no 0%s. It is a law that cannot be avoided, one that governs all things from beginning to end.
Wait a moment here...
Does that mean that CHAOS is actually the only CERTAIN, ORDERLY thing there is in the cosmos?

Freaky, in my opinion.

What do you think?

There is a major flaw in your argument... There are other things that are certain, for example: Death... Or... An entire planet is never going to materialize itself inside of your head.


Some things are certain and some things aren't, that is the way things are.

Also, what's up with Jesus?

That's no flaw in his arguments, it's a flaw in the chaos theory. You two are criticizing the same thing.

 

[mrpenguinismyhomeboy]

thats the thing, Chaos theory itself knows that by its own rules it can be broken, and thats the beauty of it, when Chaos theory is broken by its own laws then it was chaos theory that broke itself.

Its the theory that everything is uncertain, including, its own formula that it isn't strictly governed by.

Again sorry for being an ass about this, but I study these things in my free time. You are thinking of the uncertainty principle. Chaotic things can be predicted with accuracy, but only up to a certain time. The uncertainty principle states that nothing can be certain, but even the uncertainty principle isn't uncertain about it self. That's a philosophical argument, not a scientific argument, because there is no evidence to support that the principle is uncertain of itself. It would be ridiculous, because the implications of that would suggest that the uncertainty principle flops in and out of existence at times which we cannot be certain about either, and so because we couldn't even be certain about when you could be certain and when you couldn't, it would just be disregarded.

 

[Captain Pancake]

Also, death is the only thing that can be certain in life, a 100% chance of happening. Not relly a happy thought, I know, but I realised this and wanted to disprove the "no 100%s" part of chaos theory.

But wait, so if there really is no 100% does that mean only 99% of people will die? Like, one in every hundred are secretly imortal or illusions?...whoa, I need a snack now.

actually, it would be more like one in billions, probably more. there is no certainty, is what he's trying to say. it does not mean that 1 percent of the world is immortal, as that would still be an implausibly large amount. the chances of it happening, are smaller than the amount of bacteria that survives a single Kleenex tissue. And that's a fact.

... I think...

 

[Xvito]

Chaos theory determains that nothing is ever certain. It alwayes applies, to all things, no matter what. There will be no 100%s, and there will be no 0%s. It is a law that cannot be avoided, one that governs all things from beginning to end.
Wait a moment here...
Does that mean that CHAOS is actually the only CERTAIN, ORDERLY thing there is in the cosmos?

Freaky, in my opinion.

What do you think?

There is a major flaw in your argument... There are other things that are certain, for example: Death... Or... An entire planet is never going to materialize itself inside of your head.


Some things are certain and some things aren't, that is the way things are.

Also, what's up with Jesus?

That's no flaw in his arguments, it's a flaw in the chaos theory. You two are criticizing the same thing.

There is a flaw in his argument. Not, however, in the Chaos theory.

Also, seriously... What's up with Jesus.

 

[darklink259]

I'm not 100% certain, but I am pretty sure that chaos theory applies only to complex systems. Even though the movement of a glass of water is not completely predictable, the motion of each individual molecule is well described by physical laws. The chaos is comprised of many small units of order. Unless you are talking about entropy, in which case I am off-topic.

 

[Eldritch Warlord]

Chaos theory merely says that sufficiently complex systems become effectively random. If all variables are known and all interactions understood perfectly accurate projections can be made indefinitely forward and backward. But acquiring that knowledge is practically impossible so Chaos theory (and the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle) still apply.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Death.
That's another 100% chance thingy. I wish it was something more cheerful...
As for your paradox question; I dunno. Thinking about loopholes makes my head hurt.

I believe that there is a species of jellies that can grow new cells to repair damage to their bodies indefinitely. They can actually live forever.

So not even death is 100% certain for all creatures.

 

[PlasticTree]

Also, seriously... What's up with Jesus.

In what context? Where he stands in the Chaos Theory? I don't have a clue what you are asking here.

 

[randommaster]

Death.
That's another 100% chance thingy. I wish it was something more cheerful...
As for your paradox question; I dunno. Thinking about loopholes makes my head hurt.

Actually, some plants can theoretically live forever given the proper nutrients and whatnot.

Actually, Chaos Theory woks off the fact that we can't perfectly quantify everything. Theoretically, if you were to theoretically propose a hypothetical situation where you knew the exact location and velocity of everything in the universe at a specific point in time, you could find out what has happened/will happen at any other time.

 

[Xvito]

Also, seriously... What's up with Jesus.

In what context? Where he stands in the Chaos Theory? I don't have a clue what you are asking here.

In all of them...