Man shoots up Gym in Penn. Killing 3 then himself. THIS is what was going through his mind.
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Come on, you fail to pick up girls and then you go around shooting people? What a douche and anyone who feels sympathy should get themselves checked.. Shooting people is NOT a way to fix stuff you know, and if he was capable of this he probably wasn't a very stable man overall either..
When did i say people liek this shouldn't be dealt with? of course we should find a way to prevent a person from reaching the point of insanity (which he obviously was, to think that wasting anothers life bc your own isn't to your liking).^Mimi said:
My point was not to say that we shouldn't care, cause you should. I just don't think giving evil sympathy is the way to go.
Yes, but people also have something called standards. It may be looks, personality, trust, whatever.quiet_samurai said:
Societies standards are a little out of proportion right now, and people lie. A lot.
Society can, and does, eventually find a way to stress the wrong things in life. Like how looks are more important than personality, or how bigger breasts mean a better girlfriend, or how a guy that looks like X acts the way he dresses and is therefore going to be a better catch.
People don't want to get to know someone else before they decide if they want to date them, they want to date them now. They want instant gratification.
Yes, you can get laid and find a girlfriend. But guess what, it's getting harder for some people to find a committed relationship in which they feel secure.
I'm curious whether anyone would have felt as sorry for a middle-aged woman who felt rejected by all young men.
I comment on this as I comment on anyone else with obsessions and paranoia. It's in your head.
And I am getting more and more sick of people expecting the outside world to read their minds, let alone expecting them to drop their own problems for someone else. It is more than possible that he was not overly rejected at all, perhaps he just didn't believe he was good enough for a woman. Low self-confidence and hostility shows.
I comment on this as I comment on anyone else with obsessions and paranoia. It's in your head.
And I am getting more and more sick of people expecting the outside world to read their minds, let alone expecting them to drop their own problems for someone else. It is more than possible that he was not overly rejected at all, perhaps he just didn't believe he was good enough for a woman. Low self-confidence and hostility shows.
I'm interpreting the above post as 'its a shame he was so nuts that he believed it was ok to do what he did, because the bible says Jesus died for our sins', not that the worst part was that he misread it, but that he may have been persuaded by the idea.-Orgasmatron- said:
I don't think this can be too tied up in religion tho, here's a scary concept, blaming religion when nutters do bad things, is like blaming video games when nutters do bad things, they're mental, and you can't blame what they read or watch.
Having said that, sure you can blame religion for a lot of other stuff.
My main point that seems to be missed tho, is that I don't think it's about 'getting some pussy' as so many posts seem to say 'why didn't he just get some whores?' etc.
It's about human contact, being loved, and feeling closeness and acceptance, and sex with someone you actually care about is part of that.
Apparently he did. Society certainly encourages such thoughts.quiet_samurai said:
Getting laid's easy. Go to seedy strip-club. Take much cash. Finding a long-term lover is a very different prospect. Someone who's still a virgin because he was never interested in a half-a-night affair with some drunk from a dark club gets no disrespect from me for that.
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The above is the opinion of one of those girly-type things that likes eye contact and a personality. Opinions of lager-swilling soccer louts may differ ... widely!
It sounded like his family were part of the reason he needed help.miracleofsound said:
There's nothing quite like having the responsible adults smile encouragingly at the bullies to programme a smaller boy for a hot bath and a lot of alcohol later in life.
Excuse me as I insert the generic "What he did was wrong, but..."
Anyway, while many are blaming the evilness of today's society and how the media portrays beauty, how about delving into what could've triggered his reaction? Did something happened in his childhood? Did his parents or family member give him some sort of nurturing affection while he was growing up? Apparently, it wasn't THAT big of a problem when he was younger. But repressing emotions can drive anyone insane. While it's not conscious, unconscious notions could have slowly started eating away at his sanity. So, calling people like him scum and saying he deserved what he did has to be one of the most ignorant things a person can say. Too bad that it took him this many years to let this eat away at him for him to take other people's lived as well as his own.
No one likes admitting their flaws. Plain and simple. So he was trying to better himself so he find a connection that he couldn't have since "Pam in 1983". What happened to him that made him think that women didn't notice him? Did he really become so obsessed with trying to impress other people that he didn't realize that someone did notice him? Most of the time, women (I speak for myself) don't like making the first move. However it seems like he was so blinded that he starting losing his true self trying to build this picture perfect persona. People want physical attention, not even in the terms of sex. Just holding hands, a hug, a high-five, handshake, cuddling, something. Some need it more than others. The feeling of finding a connection with another person or people in the world is a great thing.
So please, get off your moral high horse and try to get understand and help people that have these problems. How many other people feel like that and have taken their own lives? If anything, he brought to the attention of the people that there are people out there that feel like this. That they need help and they should get help before it's too late. Shunning them off like they're scum of the Earth isn't going to stop problems. Just pushes them in the closet until it's too big to fit. Then it's too late.
Anyway, while many are blaming the evilness of today's society and how the media portrays beauty, how about delving into what could've triggered his reaction? Did something happened in his childhood? Did his parents or family member give him some sort of nurturing affection while he was growing up? Apparently, it wasn't THAT big of a problem when he was younger. But repressing emotions can drive anyone insane. While it's not conscious, unconscious notions could have slowly started eating away at his sanity. So, calling people like him scum and saying he deserved what he did has to be one of the most ignorant things a person can say. Too bad that it took him this many years to let this eat away at him for him to take other people's lived as well as his own.
No one likes admitting their flaws. Plain and simple. So he was trying to better himself so he find a connection that he couldn't have since "Pam in 1983". What happened to him that made him think that women didn't notice him? Did he really become so obsessed with trying to impress other people that he didn't realize that someone did notice him? Most of the time, women (I speak for myself) don't like making the first move. However it seems like he was so blinded that he starting losing his true self trying to build this picture perfect persona. People want physical attention, not even in the terms of sex. Just holding hands, a hug, a high-five, handshake, cuddling, something. Some need it more than others. The feeling of finding a connection with another person or people in the world is a great thing.
So please, get off your moral high horse and try to get understand and help people that have these problems. How many other people feel like that and have taken their own lives? If anything, he brought to the attention of the people that there are people out there that feel like this. That they need help and they should get help before it's too late. Shunning them off like they're scum of the Earth isn't going to stop problems. Just pushes them in the closet until it's too big to fit. Then it's too late.
It's not always easy getting help. Some people think they can fix themselves on their own. Maybe he didn't think his problem was mental. That it was his outer appearance that were driving women away from him. Why he was working out, tanning, dressing nice, etc.Firia said:
This actually scared me, as i myself am going through alot of the things he wrote about, the "Every day i am alone, and every night i go to bed alone" really hit me as that's something i've been feeling depressed about for 8 years now :/
I just pray the girl im talking to now actually means the things she saying so i wont have to spend anymore time alone, though i have never thought about going on a rampage, it has gotten me thinking alot about ending my own life, and i have ever tried once, long story short, the car managed to swirv away from my head...but still, this really freaked me out :S
I just pray the girl im talking to now actually means the things she saying so i wont have to spend anymore time alone, though i have never thought about going on a rampage, it has gotten me thinking alot about ending my own life, and i have ever tried once, long story short, the car managed to swirv away from my head...but still, this really freaked me out :S
Finally someone who gets this. "COWARD, FACE ALL PUNISHMENT, DON'T PUT BULLETS IN YOUR OWN HEAD!" is a disgustingly (macho? gung-ho?) statement. People who do things like this man, who was obviously already depressed, and he decided to just have a really big "venting"* before killing himself to end his depression anyway.Cheeze_Pavilion said:
*Best way I can put it.
I don't think you understand how suicidal people think. They think they're doing the world a favour by killing themselves, they don't think it's a cowardly act, they think the world will be better off without them and they are doing everyone a favour. In the mind of a suicidal person, suicide is a selfless act.Gaderael said:
quiet_samurai said:
Relax dude, you're 19, if you weren't going to bed alone for the last 8 years then I'd be worried.Fronken said:
See, I do understand suicidal people. Some of them do think they'd be doing the world a favour by removing themselves from it, but not all of them feel that way. Some just don't want to feel pain anymore, some just don't see the point in going on.-Orgasmatron- said:
While it may be a selfish act to them, it's really selfish to those that love them, and to the rest of us who have to go on in life. I've gone through some pretty shitty stuff over the years and I've thought once or twice about just stopping, but I remind myself that it wouldn't be helping me at all, at it would really hurt those around me. I know I wouldn't want people being angry at me, or hurt, because I decided to do away with myself.
What bugs me is that there are countless people out there dying of incurable diseases, or from violence, or war, or what have you, that would give anything for one more chance at living a full life, while suicidal people give it all up. It's not like suicide awareness is a foreign concept. You should know that if you seriously think about killing yourself, you should seek help. If you or anyone came to me and seriously said you were going to kill yourself, I'd do everything within my power to help deal with your problems. I'm not an asshole, I like seeing people become the best persons that they can.
There is nothing in this world that is so bad that it's worth voluntarily taking your own life for, no amount of dept, scorn from society or from loved ones, from mental and physical pain.
