The difference is a little thing called constructive criticism, you can criticize and still be respectful.Volkov said:
Marines Advertising on The Escapist
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I didn't know the military was putting ads on the Escapist. Must be for the U.S. branch, whereas the Swedish military has put ads over at Xbox Live instead.
THAT'S RIGHT! The Swedish fuckin' military has put ads on my Xbox Live. Pretty clever, if only the majority of the users weren't fuckin' 13 years of age.
Edit; Also, youtube. I've seen many commercials for joining the military there. And I mean - A - Lot!
Don't even matter anyways. I doubt you are allowed to join the military if you have a mental syndrome like Aspergers.
THAT'S RIGHT! The Swedish fuckin' military has put ads on my Xbox Live. Pretty clever, if only the majority of the users weren't fuckin' 13 years of age.
Edit; Also, youtube. I've seen many commercials for joining the military there. And I mean - A - Lot!
Don't even matter anyways. I doubt you are allowed to join the military if you have a mental syndrome like Aspergers.
This is probably a great place to look... if you want someone who'll end up pushing paper.
Someone like me would never be suited for active service, nor would I want to be.
Someone like me would never be suited for active service, nor would I want to be.
I was in no way implying that criticism and disrespect are the same thing. I was saying that often reasons for criticism are also reasons to not respect something, which means that if you are criticizing something with good reasons to do so, you are likely to have equally good reasons to not respect it.Keith Reedy said:
And, the reverse is also true - if you are criticizing something but your reasons for doing so are awful, then your reasons for disrespect are also awful. Which would be the case with the gamer example above.
I don't have a problem with it necessarily. The US Marines are a purely voluntary organization - no one is FORCED to join. It's all purely voluntary. There's no pressure from the ads to join - no one is looking you in the eye saying "why aren't you signing up buster?". If the Marine Corps wants a bunch of thin, sickly, video-game playing, science-obsessed 20-somethings like me, I'd be very surprised!
I don't have any moral problems with the ads being shown. I don't have any problems with the Marine Corps has a group (they seem to be pretty alright sorts of people). But I am surprised that they are advertising on the Escapist.
Now, there might be some buff, fit guys and gals on these forums. I'd wager... most of us aren't. I'd also wager that we have a disproportionately high amount of people who wear glasses. Now, I'm not saying the stereotype of the weak or fat gamer is correct - but what I am saying is that the people on this forum are almost certainly just average joes and janes. The Marines are supposed to be the toughest branch of the US military (physically speaking - I honestly think the US airforce is more vital to US security). I'm not an American, but every bit of US pop culture that I've absorbed has told me that the Marines are trained harder and are tougher than the US army guys. They are supposed to be the best, they are supposed to be strong and fit and capable. If they advertised on.... I dunno, exercising forums or gun forums or fitness forums or hell, even military enthusiast forums, that would make sense. Advertising on the video game forums, however, doesn't make sense. Why would they want us? Statistically speaking, most of us here (and that includes me) are not very fit. Most of the population isn't very fit. Do they really want us coming to their recruitment offices and wasting their time?
Maybe numbers have fallen so low that they're desperate for new recruits. It must be sad that they feel the need to advertise to people like me. Hell, I don't think I could even hold an assault rifle properly! I'd be dead in 2 seconds on the battlefield.
I don't have any moral problems with the ads being shown. I don't have any problems with the Marine Corps has a group (they seem to be pretty alright sorts of people). But I am surprised that they are advertising on the Escapist.
Now, there might be some buff, fit guys and gals on these forums. I'd wager... most of us aren't. I'd also wager that we have a disproportionately high amount of people who wear glasses. Now, I'm not saying the stereotype of the weak or fat gamer is correct - but what I am saying is that the people on this forum are almost certainly just average joes and janes. The Marines are supposed to be the toughest branch of the US military (physically speaking - I honestly think the US airforce is more vital to US security). I'm not an American, but every bit of US pop culture that I've absorbed has told me that the Marines are trained harder and are tougher than the US army guys. They are supposed to be the best, they are supposed to be strong and fit and capable. If they advertised on.... I dunno, exercising forums or gun forums or fitness forums or hell, even military enthusiast forums, that would make sense. Advertising on the video game forums, however, doesn't make sense. Why would they want us? Statistically speaking, most of us here (and that includes me) are not very fit. Most of the population isn't very fit. Do they really want us coming to their recruitment offices and wasting their time?
Maybe numbers have fallen so low that they're desperate for new recruits. It must be sad that they feel the need to advertise to people like me. Hell, I don't think I could even hold an assault rifle properly! I'd be dead in 2 seconds on the battlefield.
Not really given it's taxpayer money. Given that it is taxpayer money, the public would beable to declare what areas should be advertisement free.eljawa said:
Haha taxpayers money... That always gets me. Thanks for that.
No.
When you pay taxes, you are basically paying the government. Not loaning them money, not saying "here is some money now do what I wan't with it," but paying them. This money is used to fund the entire infrastructure of your country and government, and yes, a lot of it lines the pockets of the pollies. But you have payed it, and it is no longer yours. By being a member of a democracy, and by democratically electing a leader, you have given that elected leader control over those funds and given them the right to make the decision of what to do with it. Like, say, advertising wherever the fuck they want to whether you like it or not.
On topic: at all times I support and respect the people that risk their lives in the interests of others, be that by running into a burning building to save a child, chasing down violent criminals or going onto the front lines of another country, never knowing if you will ever see your family again. There are a few bad apples in the military of every country, just like there are a few bad apples in every other industry.
No.
When you pay taxes, you are basically paying the government. Not loaning them money, not saying "here is some money now do what I wan't with it," but paying them. This money is used to fund the entire infrastructure of your country and government, and yes, a lot of it lines the pockets of the pollies. But you have payed it, and it is no longer yours. By being a member of a democracy, and by democratically electing a leader, you have given that elected leader control over those funds and given them the right to make the decision of what to do with it. Like, say, advertising wherever the fuck they want to whether you like it or not.
On topic: at all times I support and respect the people that risk their lives in the interests of others, be that by running into a burning building to save a child, chasing down violent criminals or going onto the front lines of another country, never knowing if you will ever see your family again. There are a few bad apples in the military of every country, just like there are a few bad apples in every other industry.
I dunno why they bother exactly, last I remember they were only actually accepting one recruit a month per recruiting substation and turning away a dozen since they over-recruited after they sized up to 203,000 on active duty.
I always thought the government set aside money specifically for them to advertise and if it's not used for that it's just not used at all, which is why you'd see military ads in really odd places like bathrooms or food courts.
I always thought the government set aside money specifically for them to advertise and if it's not used for that it's just not used at all, which is why you'd see military ads in really odd places like bathrooms or food courts.
a) People diemasonfr8kr said:
b) People retire
c) positions always need filled
d) the same reason other military's are always recruiting?
If these answers don't help EVERYONE WHO MIGHT ASK A QUESTION SIMILAR TO YOURS then they are just Anti-America trolls.
Working on my PhD in Engineering lol I'm useful in other aspectsAgDr_ODST said:is that right boyoo what makes you so bloody special XPartanis_neravar said:I'm to valuable to be wasted in combat lolAgDr_ODST said:yea what These guys said! Beyond that though, when and if I enlist Im going Air Force not Marines so whatever!Baby Eater said:Pretty much what this fine gentleposter has said previoulsy. In fact, I didn't know about it till I read this thread.Ephraim J. Witchwood said:Pub Club. Fuck yo' ads.
The Marine Corps has some of the most selective entrance criteria, and their basic training is absolutely nothing to scoff at. They like to blanket this age bracket with recruitment materials to draw them in for consideration, and then they filter them out. So, while they're ads may not seem selective, the Marines certainly are. (Hence, "the few, the proud")masonfr8kr said:
Regarding military advertisements, however, there is one thing above all others that I respect from the Marine Corps: Not once have I seen them advertise based on the "you can get money for college and training for the real world!" stuff I see elsewhere.
Their ads have always basically amounted to, "You know what you're getting into, and so do we. Let's do this stuff." Yeah, it appeals to pride and duty and honor, but it doesn't paint the service out to be a glorified community college. 'Oh, we'll give you money for college and neat training... and in the meantime, you'll be shot at or sent away from your family for years at a time, btw.'
I respect all of the branches of the US Military equally, but I've always respected the recruitment ads of the Marines above the others.