And novixz never said all marriages end in divorce.imahobbit4062 said:Yay for completely missing the point!DoPo said:Yay for generalising some more! Surely all marriages go with the "until death do as apart", umm, part. There isn't a single one that doesn't feature that promise. Except for my uncle's wedding I was to. And my cousin's. Actually I first became aware of "until death do us apart" due to Hollywood movies. I hadn't even heard of anybody using it beforehand.imahobbit4062 said:Yay for generalizing! I wasn't aware that everyone must at some point get divorced, thank you for explaining that to me
This is as stupid as the threads complaining about women being heartless bitches and men being sex crazed douchebags.
I never said all marriages go with "until death do us part". I said that not every marriage ends in divorce. Or perhaps you can't read?
Marriage is no longer sacred.
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yeah marriage isn't the same as it was a 100 years ago, but what tradition is now a days?
either way, marriage still has it's place in today's society, it solves a crap load of paperwork if one of the two would die, and taxes for married people works differently.
Honestly, there is so much legal crap involved in marriage and often very different in different parts of the world that I wont even bother bringing everything up but point is there is often pretty good bonuses legally if you get married.
so today's society and system pretty much promotes you to marry a person you plan on spending a longer period of your time with, even if it isn't for your entire lifespan.
for example, believe me when I say... gay people wouldn't be fighting this hard just to be able to throw parties where they declare their love... might be one reason... but not the whole point.
either way, marriage still has it's place in today's society, it solves a crap load of paperwork if one of the two would die, and taxes for married people works differently.
Honestly, there is so much legal crap involved in marriage and often very different in different parts of the world that I wont even bother bringing everything up but point is there is often pretty good bonuses legally if you get married.
so today's society and system pretty much promotes you to marry a person you plan on spending a longer period of your time with, even if it isn't for your entire lifespan.
for example, believe me when I say... gay people wouldn't be fighting this hard just to be able to throw parties where they declare their love... might be one reason... but not the whole point.
One half of your OP seems incredibly progressive, and the other half seems incredibly conservative.
I mean, are you arguing people shouldn't be worried about it because its outdated, or are you arguing they should remain miserable with people just because the vows say they have to?
Marriage has always been about money and status as much as it's been about love, so arguing its sacred is rather pointless.
And before it inevitably comes up: marriage exists within religion, it is not a religious concept nor is it owned by the religious.
I mean, are you arguing people shouldn't be worried about it because its outdated, or are you arguing they should remain miserable with people just because the vows say they have to?
Marriage has always been about money and status as much as it's been about love, so arguing its sacred is rather pointless.
And before it inevitably comes up: marriage exists within religion, it is not a religious concept nor is it owned by the religious.
1: social contract. you and your spouse are agreeing to stick together and work together for your goals. biggest part of that is raising your kids.
2: Legally Defined. your social contract is now defined by law and the law now protect you up to a point. biggest part when someone dies and who gets the money. the mother of his children or his only surviving greedy brother for example, if marred then it is clear cut case.
3: on the top of my head i wish i had something good here. but this has to do for now.
all in all marriage is not about divorce or religion. that are just the byproduct of a system that has worked well for millenarian .
2: Legally Defined. your social contract is now defined by law and the law now protect you up to a point. biggest part when someone dies and who gets the money. the mother of his children or his only surviving greedy brother for example, if marred then it is clear cut case.
3: on the top of my head i wish i had something good here. but this has to do for now.
all in all marriage is not about divorce or religion. that are just the byproduct of a system that has worked well for millenarian .
Yes it is a shame to see how marriage is treated these days. In my Church, though, it is still treated as the most sacred thing in our Church. In the Church of Latter-day Saints (usually called "Mormons" by you muggles) when you get married, you get sealed. Which means that death does not do you part, you get to stay with your spouse and family for the rest of eternity, even after death. Pretty cool if you ask me.
But anyway, the divorce rate Temple Marriages (sealed marriages) for Mormons is %6, as opposed to... whatever the normal rate is these days I'm too lazy to look it up.
But anyway, the divorce rate Temple Marriages (sealed marriages) for Mormons is %6, as opposed to... whatever the normal rate is these days I'm too lazy to look it up.
Marriage was never sacred. Wait, let me rephrase:
Marriage was never strictly an institution of religion.
Marriage was never strictly an institution of religion.
According to who?LobsterFeng said:
I'm sorry, but the LDS makes a lot of claims about itself that it cannot substantiate, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't take you at your word.
Here's one: http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_divo.htmZachary Amaranth said:
And here's one: http://graceforgrace.com/2008/08/30/mormon-temple-marriages-have-only-6-divorce-rate/
Both of them lead to more ones if you're still interested.
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I feel rather ambivalent towards this topic. I could participate in this thread, but everyone else expressed my feelings better than I can.
That and I ran out of fucks to give.
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I feel rather ambivalent towards this topic. I could participate in this thread, but everyone else expressed my feelings better than I can.
That and I ran out of fucks to give.
I don't care about marriage one way or another but I think this fits here:
Women are crazy. Men are stupid. And the main reason women are crazy is because men are stupid. It's not the only reason, but it's a big one.
Also, same-sex couples get vilified while Kim Kardashian gets divorced within what...2 months time and not one little uproar from these "family values" people? Yeah, marriage isn't sacred.
Women are crazy. Men are stupid. And the main reason women are crazy is because men are stupid. It's not the only reason, but it's a big one.
Also, same-sex couples get vilified while Kim Kardashian gets divorced within what...2 months time and not one little uproar from these "family values" people? Yeah, marriage isn't sacred.
There's not much I can say here that won't garner some rage from the more "open" users here, so whatever. I consider marriage to be sacred, and don't plan to marry for a while until I know I can handle it.
Huh. I heard no end of the Kardashian divorce and what a disgrace it was from various people I know.CrazyCapnMorgan said:
It's a joke, friend. I haven't played CoD REALLY for several years, besides MW3 that my friend brought over a couple or weeks ago. I thought that was obvious, man. Obviously I don't consider playing CoD a job. I think the person here who needs to grow up would be you, considering you just sent a stranger an inflamatory message over the internet for no reason at all. I mean, there was nothing that could come from you telling me to grow up.MarsProbe said: