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Aries_Split

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Hmm? What? Really? REALLY? That's interesting. Hey guys I just got a call, apparently, the media is reverting to Satanic Music as the cause for killings again! I thought we were over that with the "KISS" era. Guess I was wrong. This'll be interesting.

P.S:Slipknot owns you.
P.S.S:Saying Slipknot is satanic is like saying His Infernal Majesty is satanic. I understand how odd that sounded.
 

MalevolentJim

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Reaperman Wompa post=18.69732.669668 said:
MalevolentJjim post=18.69732.669641 said:
yeah no prob,it's http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-08-18-krugersdorp-school-rocked-by-satanic-killing
He just used the mask and that's how they connected Slipknot? Jesus the press will grasp at anything nowadays.

Thats the media for you.
 

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mendez post=18.69732.669590 said:
Oh god not again. Why do we care anymore? It's the same stuff over and over and right now I really couldn't care what the media thinks. I'll only start caring again if they start banning things.

I wonder if we could manipulate the media some how to show the world how much bullshit is said over the news.
My friend had an idea... spend thousands of dollars and max out your credit cards buying Britney Spears CDs, posters, and memorabilia, decorate your room with it, then go on a murderous rampage. See if the media blames Britney Spears for driving people to kill.
 

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[sarcasm]Good to see that prejudice and gossip still have a firm place in investigative journalism.[/sarcasm]

Really, what were those people thinking, a kid stabs a load of people (probably having stuffed god knows what chemicals in his body) and they blame the music the kid liked?
I admit that Slipknots music isn't exactly the "happy happy joy joy" song collection, but capable of inciting a kid to murder, not by a long shot.
But then again, it is fashionable to play the blame game these days...
 

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Grimrider6 post=18.69732.669703 said:
mendez post=18.69732.669590 said:
Oh god not again. Why do we care anymore? It's the same stuff over and over and right now I really couldn't care what the media thinks. I'll only start caring again if they start banning things.

I wonder if we could manipulate the media some how to show the world how much bullshit is said over the news.
My friend had an idea... spend thousands of dollars and max out your credit cards buying Britney Spears CDs, posters, and memorabilia, decorate your room with it, then go on a murderous rampage. See if the media blames Britney Spears for driving people to kill.

god knows she needs more bad publicity.Oh well and publicity is good publicity with her i guess
 

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Why is it that South Park that has it spot on so often?
"We must go to war and cause a fuss, before anybody thinks of blaming us!"
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GuerrillaClock

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Slipknot sing about Satan now? When was this album made? Have they brought out a super-secret 6th album out already?
 

Aries_Split

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MalevolentJjim post=18.69732.669720 said:
Grimrider6 post=18.69732.669703 said:
mendez post=18.69732.669590 said:
Oh god not again. Why do we care anymore? It's the same stuff over and over and right now I really couldn't care what the media thinks. I'll only start caring again if they start banning things.

I wonder if we could manipulate the media some how to show the world how much bullshit is said over the news.
My friend had an idea... spend thousands of dollars and max out your credit cards buying Britney Spears CDs, posters, and memorabilia, decorate your room with it, then go on a murderous rampage. See if the media blames Britney Spears for driving people to kill.

god knows she needs more bad publicity.Oh well and publicity is good publicity with her i guess
To quote Code Monkeys "There's no such thing as bad press dude. Just ask Charles Manson.
 

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MalevolentJjim post=18.69732.669280 said:
The boy had painted his face black and resembled the drummer of the band Slipknot
Joey Jordison doesn't paint his face black.

GuerrillaClock post=18.69732.669734 said:
Slipknot sing about Satan now? When was this album made? Have they brought out a super-secret 6th album out already?
I listen to slipknot and I'm slightly religious. I don't think they resemble satanic music in the slightest of way apart from the song "the heretic anthem" which has the number of the devil in it but it isn't shouting out go stab people so alas they must be hiding something.
 

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*** Wall Of Text Warning ***

This is Marilyn Manson's response to being blamed for the Columbine High School Massacre. It's called, Columbine: Whose Fault Is It?, from RollingStone Magazine. I think it goes very well with the OP.

Due to the length of the article, I have placed it in spoiler tags.

Marilyn Manson said:
It is sad to think that the first few people on earth needed no books, movies, games or music to inspire cold-blooded murder. The day that Cain bashed his brother Abel's brains in, the only motivation he needed was his own human disposition to violence. Whether you interpret the Bible as literature or as the final word of whatever God may be, Christianity has given us an image of death and sexuality that we have based our culture around. A half-naked dead man hangs in most homes and around our necks, and we have just taken that for granted all our lives. Is it a symbol of hope or hopelessness? The world's most famous murder-suicide was also the birth of the death icon ? the blueprint for celebrity. Unfortunately, for all of their inspiring morality, nowhere in the Gospels is intelligence praised as a virtue.

A lot of people forget or never realize that I started my band as a criticism of these very issues of despair and hypocrisy. The name Marilyn Manson has never celebrated the sad fact that America puts killers on the cover of Time magazine, giving them as much notoriety as our favorite movie stars. From Jesse James to Charles Manson, the media, since their inception, have turned criminals into folk heroes. They just created two new ones when they plastered those dipshits Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris' pictures on the front of every newspaper. Don't be surprised if every kid who gets pushed around has two new idols.

We applaud the creation of a bomb whose sole purpose is to destroy all of mankind, and we grow up watching our president's brains splattered all over Texas. Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised. Does anyone think the Civil War was the least bit civil? If television had existed, you could be sure they would have been there to cover it, or maybe even participate in it, like their violent car chase of Princess Di. Disgusting vultures looking for corpses, exploiting, fucking, filming and serving it up for our hungry appetites in a gluttonous display of endless human stupidity.

When it comes down to who's to blame for the high school murders in Littleton, Colorado, throw a rock and you'll hit someone who's guilty. We're the people who sit back and tolerate children owning guns, and we're the ones who tune in and watch the up-to-the-minute details of what they do with them. I think it's terrible when anyone dies, especially if it is someone you know and love. But what is more offensive is that when these tragedies happen, most people don't really care any more than they would about the season finale of Friends or The Real World. I was dumbfounded as I watched the media snake right in, not missing a teardrop, interviewing the parents of dead children, televising the funerals. Then came the witch hunt.

Man's greatest fear is chaos. It was unthinkable that these kids did not have a simple black-and-white reason for their actions. And so a scapegoat was needed. I remember hearing the initial reports from Littleton, that Harris and Klebold were wearing makeup and were dressed like Marilyn Manson, whom they obviously must worship, since they were dressed in black. Of course, speculation snowballed into making me the poster boy for everything that is bad in the world. These two idiots weren't wearing makeup, and they weren't dressed like me or like goths. Since Middle America has not heard of the music they did listen to (KMFDM and Rammstein, among others), the media picked something they thought was similar.

Responsible journalists have reported with less publicity that Harris and Klebold were not Marilyn Manson fans ? that they even disliked my music. Even if they were fans, that gives them no excuse, nor does it mean that music is to blame. Did we look for James Huberty's inspiration when he gunned down people at McDonald's? What did Timothy McVeigh like to watch? What about David Koresh, Jim Jones? Do you think entertainment inspired Kip Kinkel, or should we blame the fact that his father bought him the guns he used in the Springfield, Oregon, murders? What inspires Bill Clinton to blow people up in Kosovo? Was it something that Monica Lewinsky said to him? Isn't killing just killing, regardless if it's in Vietnam or Jonesboro, Arkansas? Why do we justify one, just because it seems to be for the right reasons? Should there ever be a right reason? If a kid is old enough to drive a car or buy a gun, isn't he old enough to be held personally responsible for what he does with his car or gun? Or if he's a teenager, should someone else be blamed because he isn't as enlightened as an eighteen-year-old?

America loves to find an icon to hang its guilt on. But, admittedly, I have assumed the role of Antichrist; I am the Nineties voice of individuality, and people tend to associate anyone who looks and behaves differently with illegal or immoral activity. Deep down, most adults hate people who go against the grain. It's comical that people are naive enough to have forgotten Elvis, Jim Morrison and Ozzy so quickly. All of them were subjected to the same age-old arguments, scrutiny and prejudice. I wrote a song called "Lunchbox," and some journalists have interpreted it as a song about guns. Ironically, the song is about being picked on and fighting back with my Kiss lunch box, which I used as a weapon on the playground. In 1979, metal lunch boxes were banned because they were considered dangerous weapons in the hands of delinquents. I also wrote a song called "Get Your Gunn." The title is spelled with two n's because the song was a reaction to the murder of Dr. David Gunn, who was killed in Florida by pro-life activists while I was living there. That was the ultimate hypocrisy I witnessed growing up: that these people killed someone in the name of being "pro-life." The somewhat positive messages of these songs are usually the ones that sensationalists misinterpret as promoting the very things I am decrying.

Right now, everyone is thinking of how they can prevent things like Littleton. How do you prevent AIDS, world war, depression, car crashes? We live in a free country, but with that freedom there is a burden of personal responsibility. Rather than teaching a child what is moral and immoral, right and wrong, we first and foremost can establish what the laws that govern us are. You can always escape hell by not believing in it, but you cannot escape death and you cannot escape prison.

It is no wonder that kids are growing up more cynical; they have a lot of information in front of them. They can see that they are living in a world that's made of bullshit. In the past, there was always the idea that you could turn and run and start something better. But now America has become one big mall, and because of the Internet and all of the technology we have, there's nowhere to run. People are the same everywhere. Sometimes music, movies and books are the only things that let us feel like someone else feels like we do. I've always tried to let people know it's OK, or better, if you don't fit into the program. Use your imagination ? if some geek from Ohio can become something, why can't anyone else with the willpower and creativity?

I chose not to jump into the media frenzy and defend myself, though I was begged to be on every single TV show in existence. I didn't want to contribute to these fame-seeking journalists and opportunists looking to fill their churches or to get elected because of their self-righteous finger-pointing. They want to blame entertainment? Isn't religion the first real entertainment? People dress up in costumes, sing songs and dedicate themselves in eternal fandom. Everyone will agree that nothing was more entertaining than Clinton shooting off his prick and then his bombs in true political form. And the news ? that's obvious. So is entertainment to blame? I'd like media commentators to ask themselves, because their coverage of the event was some of the most gruesome entertainment any of us have seen.

I think that the National Rifle Association is far too powerful to take on, so most people choose Doom, The Basketball Diaries or yours truly. This kind of controversy does not help me sell records or tickets, and I wouldn't want it to. I'm a controversial artist, one who dares to have an opinion and bothers to create music and videos that challenge people's ideas in a world that is watered-down and hollow. In my work I examine the America we live in, and I've always tried to show people that the devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. So don't expect the end of the world to come one day out of the blue ? it's been happening every day for a long time.

[From Issue 815 - June 24, 1999]
 

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Christ not this again. Anybody know about the trial of Dee Snider from Twisted Sister? Thought that was all settled with that court case and them making record labels put the "Parental Advisory" stickers on albums.

It is just stupid and illogical to blame music for peoples actions unless the actual lyrics are something along the lines of "Kill the innocent and rape the virgins!", which Slipknot is not frankly, and even then the album would have a sticker on it advising parents/carers not to buy it for their children/mentally unstable patients.

Just people lashing out at niche tastes because they don't understand or like them, in an attempt to create a lame excuse for a scapegoat.

Edit: After reading and posting in this thread, I went and ordered Slipknot tickets for December. Jeez I hope I'll be okay and I don't get sacrificed in some ritual involving wooden stakes and a goat.
 

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So, let me get this straight. A kid with his face painted kills people, and because his face was painted Slipknot caused it? Using that logic, he was inspired by anyone and everyone who wears face paint. Charlie Chaplin, you clearly caused this.
 

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This is probably the 500th time a metal band has been blamed for something like this.

Slipknot is a great band, and they aren't satanic in any way.
Parents should pay more attention to, oh I don't know, THE 60CM-LONG SWORD this kid had and WHERE HE GOT IT!!!
 

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Piff.....another reason for me to wear my Iron Maiden hoodie to school. I'm a pretty serious Christian (I do the caring for people and being polite stuff, none of this bible thumping nonsense) as are most of my friends and we're pretty much metalheads or emo-core fans.

Just another case of someone passing Bad Parenting 30-1.
 

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PedroSteckecilo post=18.69732.669400 said:
The second anyone says "It's a Satanic Ritual!" they've labled themselves as idiotic. I've known some true Satanists, they're not nearly as scary as you'd think and tend to have a more philosophical outlook than anything. In my American Religious History course the Satanist and Evangelical Christian got along famously... it was very strange.
True. I dated a stanist, she was the most rational thinker I ever met (which sucked for me). I blame parents for misconceptions and people for being morons. I should start a etting pool to see which band will be blamed for the next series of murders (money on Marilyn Manson cuz I hate people who have no gender). Yes I realize he/she/it was already blamed for something, but it will happen again.
 

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It is always a sad day when some poor misguided youngster decides against sticking to his illegal narcotics and moves on to listening to Metal, everyone knows it deprives you of reason & judgment.
Truly a sad thing to happen, makes you lose your faith in humanity.
 

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Milkatron post=18.69732.670259 said:
PedroSteckecilo post=18.69732.669400 said:
The second anyone says "It's a Satanic Ritual!" they've labled themselves as idiotic. I've known some true Satanists, they're not nearly as scary as you'd think and tend to have a more philosophical outlook than anything. In my American Religious History course the Satanist and Evangelical Christian got along famously... it was very strange.
True. I dated a stanist, she was the most rational thinker I ever met (which sucked for me). I blame parents for misconceptions and people for being morons. I should start a etting pool to see which band will be blamed for the next series of murders (money on Marilyn Manson cuz I hate people who have no gender). Yes I realize he/she/it was already blamed for something, but it will happen again.
Hmm, you did.


MUST NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT KINK!!!!!!

I'm a satanist and I'd imagine it would be impossible to ever find a date.
 

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Hawgh post=18.69732.670270 said:
It is always a sad day when some poor misguided youngster decides against sticking to his illegal narcotics and moves on to listening to Metal, everyone knows it deprives you of reason & judgment.
Truly a sad thing to happen, makes you lose your faith in humanity.
no it doesn't.Well i still think the same after listening to metal for years.
Altough i agree about losing faith in humanity,i'm disgusted at this sort of thing,maybe even in humanity in general.