Meth.

[kickin wiing]

EDIT: Oh..also you sound like a meth head lol.

That's nice, because I'm not. And I would appreciate if people didn't put words in my mouth. I never said meth was cool, I never said to try it. But, you will never hear about the person who can handle it, and function in the real world, you only hear about the idiots who can't be responsible. I guess I was trying to open up the debate a little, since it is kind of lacking, to include perceptions of drugs and the impact that perspective and such has as well. I presented my opinion in a rational manner, trying not to offend anybody, and I get pounced on by fellow Escapists? What's going on with the community? This is a forum for discussion, and if you can't discuss things without misrepresenting my words, or telling me I'm going to get banned or whatever, then why are you even here?

yes but the manner in which you were saying it sounded like you were advitising it and making it cool to use it, thats why we all disagree with what you said, evan you who i must say sounds like a well spoken person can see the problem with what you just wrote

I think the manner that he said it was very well spoken. I saw of the "making it look cool" ideas that you did. Please don't speak for all of us, just speaking for yourself will do.

 

[ExodusinFlames]

Having seen the effects of the substance first hand, with several friends, I believe that it should be maintained as a controlled substance, perhaps even more harsh in the penalties.
I'll routinely support the natural substances, ie: Marijuana, Hashish/Oil, even natural hallucinogens like Psycobilin and Peyote, but once you get into synthetics, much bigger problems occur.

I live in an area where drugs are very heavily ingrained in the the social structure. I've lost one friend to a bad natural trip, and countless to chemical (though the chemical group ALMOST pars the alcohol group ... almost.)

 

[darthzack79]

Was this a legit thread or what?

 

[Rascarin]

I don't see why the government has any right to control what people do to their bodies.

Because people are idiots. Someone stupid enough to take meth is too stupid to know how to take care of themselves. It's like looking after children. You wouldn't let a child climb in an oven or walk off a bridge, and drug abusers are just as helpless.

 

[Wislong]

I don't see why the government has any right to control what people do to their bodies.

They're doing what they have to do, we may not like it; but what one person puts into their body not only effects them; It will effect many others in passive ways; Seeing a human being degrade to nothing will not have a positive effect on any us, nor would someone stealing to feed a habit.

The government may be run by idiots; but they're not stupid.

 

[Jharry5]

Drugs are illegal for a reason; it isn't because the government is trying to infringe our rights, its because of the knock on affects of drug use (ie, stealing to feed the habit).

Meth's one of the worst hard drugs around due to it being a synthetic and the ways in which it's produced.

Should it be legalised?
The answer's obvious; never.

 

[razer17]

generally i think they should they should legalise most drugs. the reasons why i can't be bothered to type. however man made toxins drugs such as meth do terrible things to the body and completely fuck you up. they should not be allowed, and people running meth labs should be shut in them and have the beakers smaed in there face.
and its not because im a drug user, i have only once ever smoked a tiny amount of weed.

 

[Lord George]

While I see nothing wrong with Marajuna and LSD, I won't touch anything above that, I want to have a good time and feel brilliant. Not get hooked to some chemical killer.

 

[Ironic]

Generally I've stated that I am in favor of legalizing and regulating ALL drugs. However, accompanying that notion is the idea of quality control and FDA-esque regulation. Crystal Methamphetamine is a drug which in of itself defies the notion of quality in light of how completely toxic and damaging it is to both use and manufacture. Because of this, a logical alternative would be to legalize and regulate the sale of Amphetamine or Dextro-Amphetamine, marketed (truthfully) as a (harm-reduction-relatively) healthier alternative. Marketing could encourage the use of regulated, brand amphetamine over home-brew methamphetamine in a comparable advocacy of Scotch over Moonshine.

Naturally, this is all speaking hypothetically.

That's a very intelligent view there, I wish more on this board would recognize that whilst the drugs themselves ARE a problem, a massively toxic one, the largest problem is the social threat drug laws pose. Crystal Meth was probably (im not sure on this one) invented by accident or as a new, cheap way to get high, by someone who didn't care about it's very existence as a poison. To those who shun any advice against taking this stuff, there are medical facts on the drugs to tell you they're bad, because THEY'RE BAD. The money and social problems may be self-perpetuating, but the physical problems are entirely in your control. Do you seriously want to grind your teeth down so much you end up gum less(rubbing crystal meth on your gums to take it or smoking it causes teeth to disintegrate)? End up having to take it from cutting your lip instead? Do you want to collapse your veins through constant IV use? Break your liver to get wasted JUST one more time? I don't agree that drug users should go to prison for possession, but I really think that they should take a good long hard look at the quality of life they want to enjoy. You may not have any negative short-term effects from some drugs (im looking at you pro-weed guys), but until we have a generation's worth of study on the stuff over a large number of people, we aren't going to say for sure what it's effects may be.

P.S. I think a guy said something about weed not causing cancer as opposed to cigarettes, id just like to say this is both right and wrong. There is a lot about cancer we still don't know, chain-smokers have lived to 100, kids have died after never touching a single carcinogen, but what we DO know so far is that there is a direct link between RISK of CANCER and CARCINOGEN NO.

 

[Roamin11]

Meth Mr. Anderson is not a drug but an disease

 

[Zykon TheLich]

Methamphetamine is legal on prescription, perhaps it could be extended to people who are already doing meth and just aren't up for quitting.

Decriminalise posession. Possibly give authorities the power to confiscate "bootleg" meth but you can't be jailed for it.
Large scale dealing and production...I'm undecided on this one. Part of me says use trading laws, part of me says let em get on with it, part of me says short jail terms.

Crystal Meth was probably (im not sure on this one) invented by accident or as a new, cheap way to get high, by someone who didn't care about it's very existence as a poison.

Japanese scientist playing around with ephedrine in the late 1800's, so it was probably semi deliberate medical research. Another japanese dude crystalised it after WWI.

 

[Xvito]

What are the costs and impacts meth has on society and schould it be legalized?

As far as I'm concerned everything should be legal, total anarchy. As long as people can use their reason and stay the hell away from the bad stuff (including meth) that is.

But we apparently still need laws, so it's a long way until we get there...

 

[retro himself]

What are the costs and impacts meth has on society and schould it be legalized?

Jebena seljačino.

Hah

That is a reference to Mexico's horrible state due to drug lords right?

Nope, my "hah" was merely a response to how Jeretik summed up OP's idea.
Which is largely negative. Not sure why he responded in bosnian though.

It means "You fucking peasant"

/bosnian language lesson

Znam ?ta znači

 

[Bored Tomatoe]

To answer your question: Fuck no.

 

[Oinodaemon]

We cant let people have anarchy. a "rule yourself" idea of government would never last and there will ALWAYS be some form of government. if the world fell into "anarchy", we would form into mobs and roving gangs of street bikers (Mad Max style) therefore creating governments anyways.

sorry, off topic. Meth. BAD!!!!!!!! and i have rights to say that, i live in the meth capital of the US (or, it WAS about two years ago) Meth should never be legalized, it destroys lives. Seriously DESTROYS. In fact, were meth a person i would be begging him for tips on how to destroy the human race. Im not saying everyone who does meth is a bad person, but it definitely changes peoples personalities (and always for the worse) Also, from what ive seen its the hardest drug to kick. I dunno, it just seems like a retarded-ass drug to me.

 

[AceDefective]

Were you high (on meth) when you wrote this

 

[quiet_samurai]

What are the costs and impacts meth has on society and schould it be legalized?

For Halloween a couple years ago I dressed up as the Methampheta-king. Needless to say it was fucking awesome.