Microsoft says Hardcore gamers have been wrong for 10 years

[Sparrow]

...yeah, but, he's kind of right.

[sup]Aaand, time to hide.[/sup]

 

[Singularly Datarific]

Normally, I'd not care, but the allure of achievements which define my hardcore gaming are too much for me to pass up
/sarcasm

 

[Hiphophippo]

http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/hardcore-gamers-wrong-10-years.html

"I have one thing to say to the hardcore gamer who says Kinect has nothing for them," said Toulouse while discussing concerns about Kinect on Major Nelson's latest podcast. "Those games will have achievements, so don't tell me you're not going to play at least some of them, you hardcore gamers out there. I know you will."

But Toulouse later suggested that the hardcore audience, who largely expect Kinect to underperform and under deliver when it launches in November, had been "wrong a lot" about market trends and successes "for the past ten years",

"Let's go back and look at the track record of the hardcore gamer," he continued.

"Shipping a console with an Ethernet port? Oh, it'll never succeed. Paying for multiplayer? Oh no, that's not good. I don't like avatars; I won't buy anything that goes to my avatar. The Wii... I mean no offence hardcore gamers, you've kinda been wrong a lot for the past ten years.

Oh hey so lets count up the way that insults us

1.That Hardcore gamers will buy a projected $150 add-on that has no games that currently appeal to them (scept maybe Fable 3 depending on your enjoyment of said series)because it has Achievments? as the wise profit Mike Mizian once said "Really?"
2.That OPINIONS like "I don't like Avatars" have been proven wrong because people do like them.

2 so far but I'm sure someone can disect it more

Well, I mean, he is right of course.

 

[spartan231490]

http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/hardcore-gamers-wrong-10-years.html

"I have one thing to say to the hardcore gamer who says Kinect has nothing for them," said Toulouse while discussing concerns about Kinect on Major Nelson's latest podcast. "Those games will have achievements, so don't tell me you're not going to play at least some of them, you hardcore gamers out there. I know you will."

But Toulouse later suggested that the hardcore audience, who largely expect Kinect to underperform and under deliver when it launches in November, had been "wrong a lot" about market trends and successes "for the past ten years",

"Let's go back and look at the track record of the hardcore gamer," he continued.

"Shipping a console with an Ethernet port? Oh, it'll never succeed. Paying for multiplayer? Oh no, that's not good. I don't like avatars; I won't buy anything that goes to my avatar. The Wii... I mean no offence hardcore gamers, you've kinda been wrong a lot for the past ten years.

Oh hey so lets count up the way that insults us

1.That Hardcore gamers will buy a projected $150 add-on that has no games that currently appeal to them (scept maybe Fable 3 depending on your enjoyment of said series)because it has Achievments? as the wise profit Mike Mizian once said "Really?"
2.That OPINIONS like "I don't like Avatars" have been proven wrong because people do like them.

2 so far but I'm sure someone can disect it more

The customer is always right bee-atch! That said, i havent been wrong about any of those things. I never complained about the ethernet ports or paying for online multiplayer, and as for the rest: I don't buy anything for my avatar, And i hate the wii and everthing about it, and will never buy one, even if it was $10.

 

[Burningsok]

wow this is all Microsoft has for trying to prove hardcore gamers wrong on Kinect? That's pretty stupid. please come back Microsoft when you've got more to argue with then just achievement points.

 

[Lightslei]

Microsoft is lately making me hope that they go under. Unfortunately I know that won't happen. This is beginning to make me sick. "YOU WILL LIKE OUR PRODUCTS" sounds a lot like a dictatorship to me.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

They might even have fun, despite themselves.

Hardcore gamers don't have fun, they have only the Game.

[sub][sub]sarcasm[/sub][/sub]

Anywho, he's made some good points, and it's not an insult to say that hadcore gamers have been wrong. Everyone's human. Nothing of interest here anyway, since if you do get offended then you've just given him what he wants, which is that recognition.

 

[eastinfecter]

Well i guess the real question here is "who gives a fuck?"
I got my fully operational PIII safely tucked away with all the games i need. Who cares about their motion controls? Let them bring the Kinectocalypse!

 

[V8 Ninja]

He does kinda have a point with the whole "Hardcore gamers have been wrong for the past 10 years!", but the thing is that Kinect is very different from most of those other things in general. Let's just wait and see, Toulouse. Wait and see.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

You realize Microsoft if I give much of a damn about achievements, I could use that $150 to go and rent a boatload of games, play them all and unlock thousands of points in under a month if my resolve was that significant... or if I literally did nothing else. Why would I shell out money for something I have absolute no appeal towards? You believe this will alter, perhaps as I am always open to change, however only when you provide my curiosity with something worthwhile. I do not fancy "family" games nor am I that hooked on multiplayer to be fairly honest. One of the reasons I still do not own a Wii.

Try again Microsoft, and actually try this time would you?

 

[ConfusedCrib]

At the beginning he was just being sarcastic, and I don't remember freaking out about any of the previous stuff :/

 

[procyonlotor]

Microsoft has sunk even lower in my opinion.

 

[CruelSpider]

No, they're wrong. I'm not buying a Kinect for achievements. What retard would do that?

*coughs awkwardly*
Actually, I won't buy Kinect for the achievements. I've found that I am a hardcore gamer by nature and not attempt. The wording sounds odd, I know, but let me put it this way. For about 90% of the 360 games I own, the first run through grants almost all of the achievements. I naturally do the extra things that one has to think about doing on the second or third run, so I don't actually hunt for achievements.

Anyway, to the point. Does this statement offend me? No. Is it true? Yeah, more or less.
There will be a bunch of people buying Kinect, yes. Their reasons are their own. I will buy it not because I want achievements, but because I need to buy it in order to look cool to my fellow 3rd graders beacuse without it I will lose my small amount of popularity and pull with the rest of the class and return to being pushed into lockers.

Run-on sentences for the win.

 

[Mr. Gency]

1.)Consoles with Ethernet ports showed up before I started paying attention to what goes on in the game industry.
2.)I don't pay for multiplayer. When I learned I need to buy the wireless thing for the 360 I gave up trying to get my Xbox online, on the spot.
3.)I have to admit, I never really have any real problem with Avatars, it was relearning where everything was in the no longer New Xbox Experience I dreaded.
4.) I say the Wii still isn't a hardcore friendly console. It only has a few hardcore games to apologize for the fact your parents bought that instead of that Xbox/PS3 you wanted for Christmas. My Wii has been turned on 3 to 5 times in the past year or two (it's not Nintendo's fault my Wii is so sexually challenged). I don't even remember the last time I turned on my Wii.

5.)Those games will have achievements

[HEADING=1]FUCK YOU![/HEADING]Seen it has achievements, your argument is invalid.

 

[Savagezion]

Where were these hardcore gamers that supposedly claimed consoles with ethernet ports wouldn't catch on? I sure as hell never heard anyone say that.

Yeah, this one is sketchy at best. I remember when they atarted it and most people were to my recollection were like "ethernet plug? who cares? what about the games?" It may have been widely looked at as a potentially useless feature on a system but no one I know was like "I am not going to buy an Xbox because it has an ethernet port." Now, the rest he mentions are valid and I find it amusing. He is basically calling elitists out on their crap in response to them being called out on theirs. The problem is that no one can really know the direction a form of media can take ahead of time or else electronics companies would never go out of business. Mark me down for "Kinnect will fail" though. There may be blimishes on my track record here and there but for the most part I have been pretty accurate. None of my failures are on his list.

EDIT: LOL oh yeah I forgot about "those games will have achievements" line. LMAO. This thread is a monster of awesomeness.

 

[squid5580]

http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/hardcore-gamers-wrong-10-years.html

"I have one thing to say to the hardcore gamer who says Kinect has nothing for them," said Toulouse while discussing concerns about Kinect on Major Nelson's latest podcast. "Those games will have achievements, so don't tell me you're not going to play at least some of them, you hardcore gamers out there. I know you will."

But Toulouse later suggested that the hardcore audience, who largely expect Kinect to underperform and under deliver when it launches in November, had been "wrong a lot" about market trends and successes "for the past ten years",

"Let's go back and look at the track record of the hardcore gamer," he continued.

"Shipping a console with an Ethernet port? Oh, it'll never succeed. Paying for multiplayer? Oh no, that's not good. I don't like avatars; I won't buy anything that goes to my avatar. The Wii... I mean no offence hardcore gamers, you've kinda been wrong a lot for the past ten years.

Oh hey so lets count up the way that insults us

1.That Hardcore gamers will buy a projected $150 add-on that has no games that currently appeal to them (scept maybe Fable 3 depending on your enjoyment of said series)because it has Achievments? as the wise profit Mike Mizian once said "Really?"
2.That OPINIONS like "I don't like Avatars" have been proven wrong because people do like them.

2 so far but I'm sure someone can disect it more

You betcha we can.

3. Speaking as someone who grew up in a family that survives on a paycheck from a service industry, THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. ALWAYS RIGHT MEANS NEVER WRONG. Way to go, Microsoft. You just broke the most basic rule of business.

As someone who actually works in the service industry allow me to explain something to you. Customers are retarded end of story. The whole the customer is always right is the same as saying this will hurt me more than it will you or you can be anything you want as long as you put your mind to it. They only say that to pat you on the head and make you feel better.

 

[Last Bullet]

1. Ethernet cord complaints? Lolwut
2. Paying for multiplayer? Never done it, never plan to.
3. Not liking avatars? Uh... What?
4. The Wii is not for high-end stuff, and while it has sold well, it sells well as a casual thing. I've tried to love the Wii, but I detest the motion controls. I can't even get through Metroid Prime 3 because the controls are just... ugh. Besides, all Kinect and Move are are massive leech plans on the Wii's success.
5. Achievements? REALLY? THAT is your biggest argument? Go fail somewhere else, Xbox-Microsoft, I have good games to play.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

No, they're wrong. I'm not buying a Kinect for achievements. What retard would do that?

For starters? (No offense to anyone buying it.) People who get thier parents guardians or etc. to get it for them (Price is no object if you don't have to front the cash yourself and never had to earn money before.) Others might get it as a gift when someone went shopping for a present for them and by-pass the entry fee into kinect. Then others will get it by other means and some might even lie about it and say they didn't want to buy it but didn't wanna sell it without trying it.

I meant people who go out and buy a Kinect with their own money specificaly for the achievements. That's what Toulouse is saying will happen and I don't know anyone dumb enough to waste $150 just for achievements.

No, they're wrong. I'm not buying a Kinect for achievements. What retard would do that?

*coughs awkwardly*
Actually, I won't buy Kinect for the achievements. I've found that I am a hardcore gamer by nature and not attempt. The wording sounds odd, I know, but let me put it this way. For about 90% of the 360 games I own, the first run through grants almost all of the achievements. I naturally do the extra things that one has to think about doing on the second or third run, so I don't actually hunt for achievements.

Anyway, to the point. Does this statement offend me? No. Is it true? Yeah, more or less.
There will be a bunch of people buying Kinect, yes. Their reasons are their own. I will buy it not because I want achievements, but because I need to buy it in order to look cool to my fellow 3rd graders beacuse without it I will lose my small amount of popularity and pull with the rest of the class and return to being pushed into lockers.

Run-on sentences for the win.

Wait, I don't get it, are you agreeing with me or what?

 

[WaywardHaymaker]

"I have one thing to say to the hardcore gamer who says Kinect has nothing for them," said Toulouse while discussing concerns about Kinect on Major Nelson's latest podcast. "Those games will have achievements, so don't tell me you're not going to play at least some of them, you hardcore gamers out there. I know you will."

Because we're all about gamerscore, aren't we? I will totally buy a $150 gizmo because I can increase the size of my gamerscore! Yeah!

Or I could be sane and not.

But Toulouse later suggested that the hardcore audience, who largely expect Kinect to underperform and under deliver when it launches in November, had been "wrong a lot" about market trends and successes "for the past ten years",

"Let's go back and look at the track record of the hardcore gamer," he continued.

"Shipping a console with an Ethernet port? Oh, it'll never succeed. Paying for multiplayer? Oh no, that's not good. I don't like avatars; I won't buy anything that goes to my avatar. The Wii... I mean no offence hardcore gamers, you've kinda been wrong a lot for the past ten years.

I can see what you mean on the first two, but really? Are Avatars REALLY that good of a market for you guys? I will admit to buying a $1 Garrus eyepiece for mine, but that was really because I had maybe 130 points with nothing else to buy.

And the Wii? You mean SSBB, Zelda: Twilight Princess and Super Mario Galaxy? A few games that are good on a system hardly justifies its success. It was aimed at causal gamers, impulse buyers, and family living rooms. Of course it will sell that well! Hardcore gamers don't have much to gain from owning a Wii, believe me. I know that.

Yeah, up yours too, buddy.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

1.That Hardcore gamers will buy a projected $150 add-on that has no games that currently appeal to them (scept maybe Fable 3 depending on your enjoyment of said series)because it has Achievments?

Studies indicate that a game with easy to acquire achievements may move 40 - 50k more copies than it would have otherwise. Do you really think people aquire gamerscores of 50,000 or more playing ONLY games they actually like? Some portion of the audience will always play games they don't care about in order to make that irrelevant number climb ever higher. This is not to say that all of us will of course. I have patience for things that waste my time without providing something in return. It simply means that some portion of the audience will.

Besides, it isn't an insult. The hardcore thought the Wii would crash and burn. Thus far it has outsold just about everything ever made. They thought the DS was inferior to the PSP yet which handheld is thriving and which one is wallowing in obscurity? They assumed the Xbox would be a miserable failure and now the second iteration managed to unseat the previous champion. If pointing out the very real fact that people who classify themselves as "hardcore" have been wrong about a LOT of major things in the last decade is insulting, I suggest you stay inside more often. Who really thought Farmville would be popular or that Mafia wars was actually worth playing?

Sure, we're often correct in our perceptions when it comes to how other hardcore games will react, but when it comes to judging what will work and won't work on a larger scale, we are pretty terrible.