Miss California and Political Correctness

[Jindrak]

How about we change this from a minority group still denied civil rights by comparing it to people who were denied rights a few decades ago. Had she said:

"I believe marriage should be between a white man and a white woman, no offense to anybody out there, but thats how I was raised, and thats how I think it should be. Between two people of the same race."

Should she be penalized? Hell, what if she just went: "I hate blacks." Yes, you'd like to say that her opinion should not be held against her, but she was competing in a BEAUTY Pageant. This is not awarding a Nobel Prize, for Christ's sake. To win, she must appeal to the audience and the judges. Politicians do it, and the Miss America Pageant is nothing more than a lower level of politics based on beauty.

 

[Mr.Pandah]

So essentially, you view yourself as a vigilante for these boards, poking, proding, ever so slighty, for someone to slip up, and say something wrong. Then when that happens, you are on the full offensive.

No, I don't care if people say something wrong. Often times I've said to people "if you're trying to express A then you're saying it wrong: it's coming out like you're trying to say B." However, when people *argue* something wrong, then sure--I'm all over that.

And what's wrong with that? I think most disagreements are because the people involved wind up arguing about a conclusion without realizing they have a different premise than one another. What's wrong with me coming along and showing people where their actual disagreements are? I think that's rather productive: reducing peoples' arguments down to the essentials so we can see where we *truly* disagree instead of having the same argument over and over and over again and getting nowhere.

As for the actual topic, damn right she didn't say anything wrong. I didn't know it was wrong to voice your beliefs.

I didn't say she was right OR wrong to voice her beliefs, I said her beliefs were capable of being wrong. There's a difference.

And I didn't "put her next to a wooden cross", I simply asked for this communities opinions. I didn't say anyone else was wrong in what they said either.

I find it interesting that many people on here are calling her some closed-minded twat. She never bashed gays in what she said, she just answered the question in a polite manner.

Aren't you calling the people who say she "bashed gays" wrong right there?

You say you're against sloppy logic and muddled thinking, however, you don't deviate very far from this formula yourself.

If you actually believed that and weren't just saying it because you don't like my opinions, you would have done exactly what I do when I accuse someone of sloppy logic and muddled thinking: I quote back what they said and point out exactly where the sloppy logic and muddled thinking is.

You see though, you think you're some sort of teacher, a mentor of sorts, but you just come off as pompous and arrogant. That is what drives people away from having any sort of conversation with you on these boards. Much like right now, it is driving me away from even bothering with you. Its a shame though, you are intelligent, at least from what I can tell. I don't know what you really want from me, since you have yet to actually prove my logic to be sloppy or my thinking muddled.

This is my last response to you, because I'm going to sleep.

I've answered the first part with some of my own, so onto the second quote.

I didn't say they were wrong, I was pointing out information that was both easily misinterpreted and overlooked.

I do believe that you are absorbed in sloppy logic and muddled thinking yourself, because everything you try and quote me on and find someplace where I slipped up, falls flat on its face. Keep trying though.

 

[tacomonkey 360]

My thoughts simply. freedom of speech awesome, but offensive comments from dumb person not awesome.

 

[dukethepcdr]

She has the right to say what she wants but she's still an idiot. You don't insult the people that are voting for you if you want to win something.

These contestants are interviewed a lot during the week or so leading up to the final pagent that you see on TV. The people asking the question had to have known she was conservative and not a homosexual (I refuse to ruin the word "gay" by using it to mean homosexual. It really means "happy"). They only asked her that question, out of the thousands of ones they could have asked, on TV to see if they could trap her. They wanted to see if she'd be P.C. and lie about what she really believes. Kudos to her for not lying. I only wish she hadn't added the "no offense" bit. If I could talk to her, I'd say something like "Don't be appologetic for believing what is true. People who are living in sin are going to be offended when you point it out no matter whether you say "no offense or not". Plus it makes you look weak to appologize like that."

 

[tenlong]

its her belief. people need to respect others' beliefs. i personal don't believe in gay marriage. if you believe differently that is your right. i will agree to disagree. i don't go gay bashing. some people call me a homophobe. but i have a good friend who is a male bisexual. i told him upfront that i don't swing that way. he is cool with that. i way not agree with it but i am cool with him being bisexual as long he don't hit on me.[he used to hit on me a lot.]just because you are not for gay marrage you are automatically against it. what a croc of bull. i believe that people have the right to have their own beliefs. if my beliefs differ with yours lets agree to disagree. the people who bash people that don't believe in gay marriage are just as bad as people who bash gays. if you don't respect people's beliefs you are a bigot

 

[chronobreak]

These contestants are interviewed a lot during the week or so leading up to the final pagent that you see on TV. The people asking the question had to have known she was conservative...

You're right, they did. They knew she attended a conservative school, and Perez Hilton, or maybe even someone on a higher level deliberately asked her a question designed to put her on the spot.

Of course I said this in the thread I created about this that didn't get nearly enough views or replies, that I linked to on the first page. Does this happen to anyone else consistently, or is it a curse?