Miss California and Political Correctness

[Lunar Shadow]

When will gay people understand that marriage is a CHRISTAIN concept, the same religion that promotes straightness and finds homosexuality to be some sort of sin. The contestants answer was perfectly logical.

That same book also says that you shouldn't eat shellfish and wear mixed fibers.
And by your logic I wouldn't be able to get married since I am not Christian (I am Buddhist, since the ten commandments say that "thou shalt not have any other god before me".

According to Christianity, those rules were for the Jews to follow until the messiah came.

Not sure about you're second point, but it seems to be correct. NOT SURE, though.

The thing about homosexuality being a sin is in the same book of the bible as the thing about shellfish and mixed fibers. Either follow all of it, or disregard all of it, don't pick and choose.

 

[Cliff_m85]

I'm sure most of you have already heard about the controversy that Miss California(or whatever her name is) had brought up. After giving her honest opinion at the Miss America Pageant (I believe it was) on same-sex marriage, she was attacked far and wide by the gay community.

"I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman, no offense to anybody out there, but thats how I was raised, and thats how I think it should be. Between a man and a woman."

Perez Hilton, one of the judges whom was supposed to be impartial, took great offense to this, being a gay man himself, and was so outraged, that he posted videos of rants and blogs about this quote in question.

How do you all feel about this? And is Political Correctness being taken too far? What Politically Correct things in society can you not stand today?

I feel that she has the right to say this, not only because she is just answering the question honestly, but because she isn't forcing it onto anyone else. Also...where is Freedom of Speech? She didn't direct this at anyone, she just said what she felt.

She still has her crown or whatever it is after a week or so of controversy, but do you see what one thing can be blown out of proportion into?

God I hate this stupid statement.

She has the freedom of speech, she said what she said. She didn't go to jail for it, she just had rebuttles aimed at her. She has the right to say what she said, but I also have the right to call her an idiot. Freedom of speech goes both ways. Dissent doesn't = taking away freedom of speech.

 

[Mr.Pandah]

Why must she be considered a bigot though? Am I a bigot for letting people have gay unions even though I don't particularly agree with it?

If you want to make up another word for what that is that you like better, be my guest. Make up whatever kind of words you want for every degree of difference.

Its not what I would do, but I'm not going to shove my beliefs down their throats, unlike many of them (as seen by this) do to straight men and women. I don't understand your reasoning on this one...

They imposed conformity with their beliefs on someone who was competing in their competition as a condition for winning their competition--how is that shoving their beliefs down her throat?

Whether the question shouldn't have been asked in the first place? Maybe, but that's a different question. My reasoning on this one is that if I set up a competition, I get to decide who wins. If you want to argue that it's illegitimate to set up that kind of competition, fine--but that's a different question.

Yes, but bigot is derogatory, but enough about that.

You just said it yourself anyways, they imposed conformity. Whether or not it was there competition, they should've just given her a bad score and been done with it. She wasn't standing up there trying to get someone else to believe her views.

 

[macapus]

I'm honestly confused now. First, it's not an inner beauty pagent. It's supposed to be an inner beauty pagent, but, if it was, every contestant would be extremely hot and they have a swimsuit competition. That has nothing to de with inner beauty. And no, not all gays are interested in fashion, they just invited this dude to "stereotype," fuck... I don't even know why they invited him to judge, Good point, but your right. Not worth wasting breath. Why do they even have a political views questioning segment if it's a beauty pagent. Confused as hell now, thanks.

 

[DalekJaas]

I think a good question is, if she was gay and supported gay marriage, and the judge was against it and gave her a zero, would we still side with the judge and say, "Sorry, but you have to give the answer that will get you the highest score"? If not, then your "logic" is incorrect.

Sure we would side with the judge.

And we'd be criticizing the competition for picking that judge instead.

If she wants to spout her opinion and make a muck of things, be my guest. She has a right to her own beliefs, however much I disagree with them.

Her right to her own beliefs does not give her the right to the crown of a beauty pageant set up by people who don't want people with her beliefs representing their organization.

The people who set up the Miss USA tournament obviously feel that her answer to that question is of value in determining who would make the best Miss USA. What about their right to their beliefs about who would make the best Miss USA?

I find it interesting that many people on here are calling her some closed-minded twat. She never bashed gays in what she said, she just answered the question in a polite manner. I didn't know that if you don't accept an idea because its against yours, but don't actively fight against it, you are a closed-minded bigot. Interesting fact, I'll hold onto that. *sarcasm*

Well, now you know. What you described (if one idea is close-minded and the other is tolerant) is a quiet bigot. What she is, is a vocal bigot. That's the difference.

I'm unaware as to how you answer in a Beauty Pageant. I know its about winning it, but I didn't know her answer was "wrong". I thought it was actually about saying your personal views, instead of being a hypocrite, unless of course, she was applying for a position in our Senate/House. *bah dun tshhh*

I'm pretty sure she was applying for the position of being Miss USA.

When will gay people understand that marriage is a CHRISTAIN concept, the same religion that promotes straightness and finds homosexuality to be some sort of sin. The contestants answer was perfectly logical.

I think the Virgin Mary and St. Joseph might disagree with you about that.

THE VIRGIN MARY AND ST.JOSEPH WERE GAY!?!?

As for you quoting everyone who thinks differently to you, quite the bigot aren't ya.

 

[Cliff_m85]

When will gay people understand that marriage is a CHRISTAIN concept, the same religion that promotes straightness and finds homosexuality to be some sort of sin. The contestants answer was perfectly logical.

no it's not, as was said MANY cultures long before christianity came along practiced marriage, it was invented long before that

and as for saying things about gays, the christian church really shouldn't comment

as for the topic on hand, yeah she's stupid for answering it wrong, part of the contest is to see how much you give the correct answer, if she had cut out her personal views, ie between a man and a woman, the answer and reaction to her would have been a lot better

The first point I have no reply to at this time.

The second I do. The Bible says homosexuality is a sin. One of the main duties of Christians is to turn away from sin, and to spread God's word. That's what the Bible says.

The third thing I also have some comments on as well. So, win at any cost..."What profits a man if he gains the world and loses his soul?"

I am beginning to think the U.S.A is abandoning its principles. Free speech/differing opinions is frowned upon, as well as religion, responsibility, individuality, etc. Some people want the government to take care of them! That's the opposite of what the founding fathers wanted.

Yeah, why can't we go back to the days when the Bible was used as a rule book and we could freely burn witches, stone our children to death for being disobedient, and condescendingly shun medical science or any science really? Then we can worship a sky-ghost that claimed a man who offered his daughters up to get gang-raped was the only just man in Sodom.

There is no soul, there is no god, there is no afterlife.

 

[Gamer137]

She was asked a question and answered it has kindly as possible. Besides, it is not like anti-gay marriage opinions are new to gays. How is that causing a ruckess?

 

[Mr.Pandah]

You just said it yourself anyways, they imposed conformity. Whether or not it was there competition, they should've just given her a bad score and been done with it. She wasn't standing up there trying to get someone else to believe her views.

I don't know exactly what happened beside her coming in second--why do you say they didn't just give her a bad score and be done with it?

I said they should've just given her a bad score and be done with it instead of Perez going home and crying to all of the internet about how he was wronged and the gay community needs to fight this oppressor.

 

[Cliff_m85]

You just said it yourself anyways, they imposed conformity. Whether or not it was there competition, they should've just given her a bad score and been done with it. She wasn't standing up there trying to get someone else to believe her views.

I don't know exactly what happened beside her coming in second--why do you say they didn't just give her a bad score and be done with it?

I said they should've just given her a bad score and be done with it instead of Perez going home and crying to all of the internet about how he was wronged and the gay community needs to fight this oppressor.

Oh, so you're against his freedom of speech?

 

[Aid n]

marriage is not a christian concept. jesus hung out with a bunch of guys, priests aren't allowed to get married or have relations with women but the church covers up their child abuse. All christians can go and have unmarried sex while using a condom and get over them selves.

 

[Mr.Pandah]

You just said it yourself anyways, they imposed conformity. Whether or not it was there competition, they should've just given her a bad score and been done with it. She wasn't standing up there trying to get someone else to believe her views.

I don't know exactly what happened beside her coming in second--why do you say they didn't just give her a bad score and be done with it?

I said they should've just given her a bad score and be done with it instead of Perez going home and crying to all of the internet about how he was wronged and the gay community needs to fight this oppressor.

Oh, so you're against his freedom of speech?

How did you even pull that one out of there? Misinterpretations abound on this messageboard in from this beauty pageant apparently. He can go cry about it, but in reality, she never said anything wrong. That is the point I'm making about it.

 

[Naeo]

If the pageant is meant to put figures in the public eye who share the same agenda as the sponsors/organizers, then I take issue with that construct in itself, nevermind this specific year.

Exactly--your problem is with anyone setting up a competition with this as an agenda. That's a far different discussion than one about 'what happened to free speech?': in fact, that's an argument that the organizers of this competition don't have the right to set their pageant up the way they want.

I take personal issue but they still have the legal right to do so, even if I contest their moral right.

I guess I should rephrase/restate, hopefully more succinctly, what I tried to say before. If she wants to spout her opinion, she has the right to do so. If in the privately-funded pageant they want to disqualify her for that, they are within their rights to do so. Doesn't make either of then morally right, though.

 

[axnxgxixe]

even though I don't agree with her, that doesn't mean she doesn't have the right to say it. She expressed her opinion politely and honestly. She didn't attack others for their beliefs, she didn't condemn it, she merely stated her beliefs.
I don't agree with her, but she still has the right to her own opinions and didn't really deserve having the whole country come crashing down on her.

 

[sneakypenguin]

She has the right to believe what she likes and state her opinion.

And I have the right to call her a closed-minded bigot in response.

Then you would call obama a close minded idiot? She didn't say she was against people being gay, just that she supported "traditional" marriage, nothing wrong with that view.