Miss California and Political Correctness

[LewsTherin]

Huh. Good for her I suppose, to have the guts to say something like that on national television, but whatever. I don't really feel this warrants this kind of attention.

 

[Arehexes]

Any time someone famous does one stupid thing we have to make a big deal over it. Lets not just forget them about talk about something important...like pie how about that apple pie huh huh...?

 

[Mr.Pandah]

You just said it yourself anyways, they imposed conformity. Whether or not it was there competition, they should've just given her a bad score and been done with it. She wasn't standing up there trying to get someone else to believe her views.

I don't know exactly what happened beside her coming in second--why do you say they didn't just give her a bad score and be done with it?

I said they should've just given her a bad score and be done with it instead of Perez going home and crying to all of the internet about how he was wronged and the gay community needs to fight this oppressor.

Why is it an infringement of her right to free speech for him to publicly disagree with what she said during a public competition? I mean, I agree people shouldn't be publicly attacked for what they feel in their own heads or even what they express in private, or even sometimes among friends--I'm a big fan of privacy and lifestyle rights.

But um, an answer in the Miss USA pageant isn't exactly 'private' or 'personal'. I wouldn't exactly call a gay dude getting all drama queen in his blog about what happened at a beauty pageant that big a deal.

I mean, at this point, *she* and other conservatives are the ones keeping the issue alive, so um, yeah--I don't think she's got any sort of problem with all this controversy. I think, quite frankly, she's loving every second of it.

I don't think he takes full blame for all of this, but he definitely has partial blame in it for getting how big it did. The media is also to blame, as usual. Had they not covered this story, and built up so much about it, then it may have well just blown over.

Of course shes loving all of this coverage though, but I don't think that was her intention in the first place. And yeah, the conservatives are going to use this as well, to fuel their anti-gay views. They're going to say, look at how much of an outrage that gay community causes for a simple expression of freedom of speech.

Besides, there is making your opinion publicly known, but then theres just being a whiny little baby about it.

I stick to my thought that she shouldn't be crucified over some petty little statement about her beliefs.

Besides Cheese, I don't know why you always fight to the death over everything.

 

[Dragon Zero]

I believe that people have been wasting too much energy on this. She said what she believed, that's it. I don't think that going after her is the best use of everybodies resources and some of the things I've been hearing said about her are just as close minded. If those people are supposed to be in the right then they souldn't be bringing themselves down to the level they have been. Doing this just makes one molhill look increasiungly like Mt Everest. Worse of all this has become just one big pissing match between "Liberals" and "Conservatives" in some thing laughably called a "Culture War."
Can we just get on with our lives and forget this whole thing happened? We'll all live longer, happier lives.

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Any time someone famous does one stupid thing we have to make a big deal over it. Lets not just forget them about talk about something important...like pie how about that apple pie huh huh...?

Actually, I've been more in the mood for Key Lime Pie. Apple is good though. Actually, oatmeal pie sounds good right about now.

 

[captainwalrus]

Since the beauty pageants are run by private organizations. They're within their rights to advance any ideology they so choose to, though at the risk of alienating parts of their fan base. Prejean has the right to free speech, but she chooses to speak contrary to the ideology of the pageant organizers at her own risk. Both sides need to chill the fuck out.

 

[OneBig Man]

It is her right to give her opinnion. the question was asked, and she gave her honest answer without intentionally insulting anyone. Then again, Perez has his right to ***** about it all he wants and make an ass of himself. Honestly the question was innopropriate. Did he expect all the contestants to be ok with it. There are plenty of families out there thatstil hold true to old traditions. Why can't he accept that everyone has their own oppinions.

 

[sneakypenguin]

She has the right to believe what she likes and state her opinion.

And I have the right to call her a closed-minded bigot in response.

Then you would call obama a close minded idiot? She didn't say she was against people being gay, just that she supported "traditional" marriage, nothing wrong with that view.

Can we have a source for this so we know the context?

Basically opposes gay marriage but dosn't want a constitutional ban, and supports a type of civil union.

"ABC News' Teddy Davis, Sunlen Miller, Tahman Bradley, and Rigel Anderson report: Barack Obama's nuanced position on same-sex marriage is on full display in an MTV interview which is set to air on Monday.

Obama told MTV he believes marriage is "between a man and a woman" and that he is "not in favor of gay marriage."

At the same time, Obama reiterated his opposition to Proposition 8, the California ballot measure which would eliminate a right to same-sex marriage that the state's Supreme Court recently recognized."


Typical politician view but along the same lines as Ms Cali.

 

[iTeamKill]

She has the right to say what she wants but she's still an idiot. You don't insult the people that are voting for you if you want to win something.

Maybe she placed her values over winning the contest? as far as I'm concerned, I'd say that's very honorable. You may not agree with it, but that is the beauty of free speech. No one can stop her. You have just as much of a right to support gay marriage as they do to be against it.

 

[Mr.Pandah]

How did you even pull that one out of there? Misinterpretations abound on this messageboard in from this beauty pageant apparently. He can go cry about it, but in reality, she never said anything wrong. That is the point I'm making about it.

What do you mean she never said anything that could be wrong? She said "that?s how I think it should be between a man and a woman." How is it not possible to be wrong about what you think should "be"?

I don't think he takes full blame for all of this, but he definitely has partial blame in it for getting how big it did. The media is also to blame, as usual. Had they not covered this story, and built up so much about it, then it may have well just blown over.

Of course shes loving all of this coverage though, but I don't think that was her intention in the first place. And yeah, the conservatives are going to use this as well, to fuel their anti-gay views. They're going to say, look at how much of an outrage that gay community causes for a simple expression of freedom of speech.

Besides, there is making your opinion publicly known, but then theres just being a whiny little baby about it.

I stick to my thought that she shouldn't be crucified over some petty little statement about her beliefs.

Um, then why did you make a posting where you put her next to a wooden cross and handed everyone three nails and a hammer?

Besides Cheese, I don't know why you always fight to the death over everything.

I hate sloppy logic and muddled thinking, and that's exactly what this issue seems to bring out in people.

Hey--tell us all you're a gay-bashing fundamentalist homophobe: that's fine with me.

However, don't make any reference to objective facts you cannot demonstrate. Do not use any line of logic that is not valid and without error. Do not equivocate in the use of your terms or concepts. These are principles, which every man of every faith can embrace. These are not polite suggestions, these are codes of behavior and those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil. We urge you lesser forms of filth not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain. But if you do you, one day you will look behind you and you will see we three, and on that day, you will reap it. And we will send you to whatever mod you wish.

So essentially, you view yourself as a vigilante for these boards, poking, proding, ever so slighty, for someone to slip up, and say something wrong. Then when that happens, you are on the full offensive.

As for the actual topic, damn right she didn't say anything wrong. I didn't know it was wrong to voice your beliefs. When did that happen? She said it should be, but she also said, I think.

And I didn't "put her next to a wooden cross", I simply asked for this communities opinions. I didn't say anyone else was wrong in what they said either.

You say you're against sloppy logic and muddled thinking, however, you don't deviate very far from this formula yourself.

 

[NeoDeath90]

I believe it was Jeff Dunham as Achmed the Dead Terrorist who exclaimed "Killing people is easy. Being politically correct is a pain in the ass."

 

[Mr.Pandah]

She has the right to believe what she likes and state her opinion.

And I have the right to call her a closed-minded bigot in response.

Then you would call obama a close minded idiot? She didn't say she was against people being gay, just that she supported "traditional" marriage, nothing wrong with that view.

Can we have a source for this so we know the context?

Basically opposes gay marriage but dosn't want a constitutional ban, and supports a type of civil union.

"ABC News' Teddy Davis, Sunlen Miller, Tahman Bradley, and Rigel Anderson report: Barack Obama's nuanced position on same-sex marriage is on full display in an MTV interview which is set to air on Monday.

Obama told MTV he believes marriage is "between a man and a woman" and that he is "not in favor of gay marriage."

At the same time, Obama reiterated his opposition to Proposition 8, the California ballot measure which would eliminate a right to same-sex marriage that the state's Supreme Court recently recognized."


Typical politician view but along the same lines as Ms Cali.

Yeah, not "along the same lines as Ms Cali" at all.

Wah...Wuh...Whhattt?? How is that not along the same lines as her? He spoke like a politician in order to keep himself safe, but his intentions were the same. He flat out said, he believes marriage is "between a man and a woman". You even quoted Miss California herself saying that exact same thing!

 

[iTeamKill]

I don't know anything about that, but I'm pretty sure they were married before there was Christianity, seeing as how they were the parents of that, you know, Christ guy.

Also, I hear they were part of this group called the Jews, who were also around before Christ, and they had some vague concept of pairbonding that one might call marriage.

Mary and Joseph were married, but they did not consummate the marriage yet, which is why when she was a pregnant virgin, with that Jesus character you are referring to, the angels came and so on and so forth. They never actually had sex.

See back then, females married when they were like 12, which made it a lot easier to actually wait till after marriage to have sex. Also it wasn't a vague concept. It was known as marriage and it was the same tradition they still do today.

*edit Can't spell angels...lol

 

[JWAN]

She has the right to say what she wants but she's still an idiot. You don't insult the people that are voting for you if you want to win something.

"The Miss America Pageant" is run by gay people?