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Ah! i see your point now and i agree with you. given what type of contest this is, if she doesnt win its merely because she wasnt the best cut of meat. and if she wins its because her swim suit had the least fabric per square inch.
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Sphinx86 said:
Ok Cheese your not understanding what I'm trying to say and your beginning to sound as blinded as those people who are aggressively against gay rights.
No, you not understanding what I'm saying is causing you to think I sound as blinded as those people who are aggressively against gay rights.
Ok since we both believe we're being reasonable it's obvious that we both have either a differing opinion of such degree that it wont be resolved - fine- , or all the semantics involved is clouding our original points of view.

Thus my view in one sentence:
I believe that she doesn't deserved to be flamed in any manner for holding her beliefs, even though I think she is wrong in them.
 

chronobreak

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
She was basically saying that not only does she like meatloaf, but that everyone should like meatloaf: they didn't ask her if *she* wanted to be in a gay marriage, they asked her what she thinks of gay marriage in general.
She made it clear that she meant no offense to anyone. All she said was it was "her belief" that marriage should be between a man and woman. She didn't say anything about anyone else, just stated a personal opinion that really shouldn't have been expressed in a public forum, which is how she got screwed.

And you're right that they didn't ask her if she wanted to be in a gay marriage, but I don't see what that has to do with anything, as I didn't say it either.
 

dragonblade629

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chronobreak said:
I don't know if anyone else has been following this, but here's the link:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517215,00.html

"When asked by judge Perez Hilton, an openly gay gossip blogger, whether she believed in gay marriage, Miss California, Carrie Prejean, said "We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite. And you know what, I think in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there, but that's how I was raised."

Now, that was not the most poignant answer one could expect from such a studied woman, but some say this answer cost her the contest. I, for one, would tend to believe that. I mean, why would they even ask her that question with an openly gay gossip writer as a judge? What do y'all think?
How do you think you believe something?


On a more serious note, she's terrible.
 

Iron Mal

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This is the thing about having your own opinion, you are allowed to believe whatever you want to believe and no-one should try and make you think otherwise.

This also means that less tolerant beliefs such as those frowning upon sexuality, race, gender issues etc. also have to be accepted (you can't discount or demonise someone's opinion just because you don't agree with it).

While I sympathise with victims of discrimination resulting in abuse, I'm not so sympathetic for people who get upset because someone doesn't like them or agree with their life style/actions (there is nothing wrong with disliking or even hating anyone for any reason provided that you don't act upon those feelings and no-one is harmed).

I personally don't care whether people choose to have hetro or homosexual relationships, it's their business and no-one elses (I do have some issue when people try to advertise their sexuality publicly though, regardless of whether their interest is in men or women, I don't really need to know and I couldn't care less).
 

Schnippshly

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Is she that one retard that couldn't talk in that popular video where she tries to talk about the problems with the world and how other countries are unfortunate but you can't really understand what she's saying?
 

garfoldsomeoneelse

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Regardless of standing on the issue at hand, I think we are all agreed that Perez Hilton is a social parasite that is setting the public image of homosexual males back by about ten years or so.

See below for solution.

 

JC175

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Fair enough if they are her personal views. She didn't push them on anybody, or intend for them to be offensive, and despite disagreeing with her comments, I don't blame her for saying them.

The thing that shits me though is the Christians that constantly put down gay marriage by saying "In the Bible it says marriage is between Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!".

You know what? FUCK YOU. I cannot think of another phrase that equally fills me with rage.
 

SenseOfTumour

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How intensely pointless.

Firstly, nowadays, where just about anyone with a decent set of jeans and enough cash can look like that if they're willing to make the effort, is there any point? Sure I can tell the difference between a regular girl and a model type, but tbh, I'll take a regular girl every time. I flatly wouldn't want to be with someone so obsessed by their own looks, and they wouldn't want to be with me as I don't physically match up and I'd make the paparazzi photos look bad.

Secondly, the whole questions section, from what I remember of Miss World was pointless in the extreme, but political views shouldn't have slipped in, it's about looks, its that transparent. However at the same, she couldn't have come on and answered and expect to win, same deal here. She'd lost the moment that question came up, and its the questioner's fault, not the girl, as if she'd lied it would have come out later, the paps being what they are, sniffing around the winners family and friends for dirt as they do.

Lastly, Perez Hilton, I'd never heard of him, but damn, what a waste of useful organs, he oughta drop himself off at the local hospital for recycling. One, for picking that name, I don't care if its 'ironic', he's still giving her the oxygen of publicity, and neither of them deserve that. Also, I bothered to read up a bit about him, and he just seems to be a genuinely nasty piece of work, obsessed with 'outing' people and another of these types who can't wait to critise other people's looks and bodies.

Lastly, he's just enforcing the crappy stereotype that all gays are bitchy and catty and desperate for attention, whereas its been discussed here and I think most agree, gay men just happen to prefer men sexually, that's the end of the differences. (While accepting that some of them make Will and Grace look like the Man Show, they're so flaming.)

"Finally, I saw the old quote "In the Bible it says marriage is between Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!", in that case, all women should walk around with their tits out, as that's how it was in the Garden of Eden and in fact the nudists are the most holy ones.
 

Manyeyes

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Try not to judge a bimbo by her breasts or hair color.

Made that mistake, she made me feel like an idiot and then
married my brother
Then had three cute little children, whom I spoil rotten.

Pay backs a *****
 

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Cliff_m85 said:
Infiniteloop said:
How is evolution and God mutually exclusive? It's not.
Evolution can be observed and tested, God cannot. One is something that obviously exists, and God is something that most likely doesn't. Evolution was written about by a man who understood science and put factual evidence into his book, God was written about by many men who continuously made scientific mistakes and historic lies into their book with a fear-based belief system.
Thanx for assuming only one religion speaks about God. I'm a Taoist Christian. Yes, the Bible is a disaster. Yes, the Tao Te Jhing can be read from an atheistic point of view. However, there are other options including the belief in God and evolution with strong philosophical backing.

ON TOPIC: At worst: A beauty queen wanna-be was set up to fail by an ugly question and had her views held against her despite an honest stance for her beliefs. At a beauty pageant. My heart bleeds. No, really.

So when she votes will she vote based on how she was raised, effectively using politics to keep a group disenfranchised for all the wrong reasons? Will she vote for gay rights, including gay marriage, because no matter how any of us were raised to think others have the right to how they were raised? Yeah, thought so...
 

Sewblon

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I am not entirely sure why we care about the Miss USA contest but it is wrong for a judge to ask a question regarding an issue that he/she is biased on.
 

gh0ti

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Seems to me a very unfair question to ask, but since the Miss USA pageant is essentially a contest to 'represent' the 'perfect' ideal of an American woman, it would be very hard for someone with such profound views on gay marriage to fulfill her subsequent duties.
 

MelziGurl

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I respect her opinion because it was open and honest. It was her own 'personal opinion' that marriage is between a man and a woman, but she didn't reject gay marriage on a whole.
 

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I must say I am very disappointed. I expected there to be a gallery of Miss Worlds here by now. I came to this thread looking for eye candy, and instead found a flamewar... the horror!

More on topic - I got minced on these forums the other day for saying that people shouldn't be allowed to just say anything they like and get away with it. I specifically mentioned hate speeches and such. People called me offensive for denying free speech, for attacking the constitution etc.

Now a bunch of people here, who may or may not have been participants to calling me up the wall the other day, are screaming bloody murder because some daft bimbo has made a comment on gay marriage. She never said there was anything wrong with being gay. She never said that gays should be ground up and used as fertilizer. She made a rather backwards and stupid comment about gay marriage.
 

minarri

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In my opinion it's pretty ridiculous to bias the questioning to that degree, but in my opinion the entire Miss America pageant (and all beauty pageants, for that matter) is ridiculous too. I mean, good for these girls that they were either blessed with good looks or the wealth to achieve them, but these things are such a waste of money and time.