MMO RPG players are not real gamers

[P.Tsunami]

Another point i want to bring up, gamers challenge themselves to do DMC on devil hunter mode, or get a 20 people killing spree on COD?

No. Gamers that enjoy DMC and/or COD do that. I'm a gamer, and I dislike both games.

Sorry, I mean, it seems you've put a lot of thought into this. But the bottom line is that WoW players (or any other MMORPG, for that matter) are gamers just as much as every other gamer. They just have different preferences, and with that often comes different parameters.

 

[Eldarion]

Apparently, 18 other people were able to figure out what the hell the OP was talking about. Couldn't make sense of it, myself, but it seems my "troll topic" sense was right this time.

Eh, back to finding out who's been kidnapping Warshades in City of Heroes for me.

Your right, I should report this and stop posting now.

I shouldn't feed the troll.

 

[quack35]

What's so special about being a "real" gamer or not being a "real" gamer?

That's a good question...

 

[PurpleSky]

AAAnnnd stay out.

I should, I find WoW incredibly boring now......plus small server drama killed my guild.

I am very dissapointed in WoW,I first played it for the story,as my first PC game was warcraft 3(without internet you can imagine I know the lore in that even today)
The most fun I've had was chatting with guild members(a casual guild obviously),and when you meet them in game you can't really interract,it's just another character,not someone that you can physically high five or something-nit picking ftw-.Also,I think the best times for me in WoW was the first 1-10 leveling,gleeing at murlocs up close and wondering at the inside of houses.

 

[Instant K4rma]

WoW is a game just like any other game. The only difference is that in the top end raids and whatnot, it requires more organization and tactical playing to kill things than your standard "Hold down right trigger until everything is dead." Not that I don't like shooters, but it is very standard gameplay. WoW just requires more organization to be successful later on in the game.

 

[Keava]

Im a MMORPG player since Ultima Online times. Apart from that, as many of my friends i made online in MMOs, i play singleplayer games as well. Does it make me less of a gamer that i like the M Massive Online part of gaming world too? Or does it make you less of gamer for ignoring a big share ?

From my experience with video games (MMO RPGs or any type of game) i see that the MMO RPG crowd seem to be very strict about who they interact or play with just asking for an invite to a guild will end you up with a 1000 word resume http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV37Jh6sQNk

But i ask myself why? Why do the MMO RPG crowd need to be so formal in video games?
The answer is why are you so formal in real life, you wont walk up to a person on the street and ask them to be your friend, this is the mentality WoW players have it maybe silly for a video game but in the game the friends you make is the diffrence between getting into a good guild or being left doing 5mans all day.

I dont know how it is in all guilds in MMOs. There is plenty they will just recruit you after you ask. Those are guilds that focus on quantity over quality usually. I was in guild made by guys from TOG (TheOlderGamers.com), it was a guild on RP-PvP server. We did held RP events, we aimed at mature guild, not overly hardcore but progressive. When you are stuck for most of your playtime with same people you do want to know something about them before you let them in.
We had only single exception out of the 18+ rule because the guy in question proved by his application that he wont make problems with others over stupid things. Less drama = more enjoyable playtime.

The bosses in WoW are not there too be played with, the bosses are to be studied most of my WoW life i spent 20min before a boss fight looking at videos like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSkUlEvZdww&feature=related to see how the boss worked, from my opinion this takes away from the Game aspect,

MMOs are not about end game. Only ~4-5% of WoW players in US/EU made it to the high end game. If you want to make progress you want a solid guild. You want to have people that you can depend on to have a clue about what they are doing. If you are into end game raiding it is one of the reasons you actually play the game. The challenge lays in teamwork.

Another point i want to bring up, gamers challenge themselves to do DMC on devil hunter mode, or get a 20 people killing spree on COD? yes, and this is fun because later you can brag to our friends that you finished DMC on devil hunter or that you have a 20 person kiling spree on COD, what makes this fun is that in COD,DOTA etc any player can out play you even if you played the game for 2years or in DMC where the boss can just 3 shot you if you make one small mistake,

Well this is not true for MMO RPGs, Bosses get easier and easier as you get better gear, and for PvP the one with the better gear will most likely win,

And wrong again.
You think there is no competition in MMOs? Speed runs, server first, realm first, hard-core modes, iron-mans. The progressive nature of MMO with content patches provides the base for on-going competition. Ive been duo running 15 man instances, 5 manning 25 man raids. Soloing old 40 mans. I considered it fun.

Then you have MMOs like Eve-O. Where you are thrown into massive sandbox and your interactions with other players build base for competition. Alliances, fleet wars, pirating, hunting... plenty of opportunities, much bigger scale than someone beating a hardmode in 20 minutes on a singleplayer game.

 

[blindraven]

If by your definition of 'gamer' we have to be free-going balls to the wall playstyle, do whatever we want, and then brag how we did such and such solo, then obviously I'm not a gamer, at least during my MMO times. Then again, saying someone who plays MMORPG's is not a gamer, when the term game is in the acronym, then what are we, cus we sure are playing one, and remember, if it ain't your style, it doesn't mean its not still under the gamer category.

Then again, by this definition, a gamer is someone who plays entirely for themselves, and not by actually working with others towards a larger goal that is more than myself. Sure it may be cool and 'hardcore' gamer that you can get 20 man kill sprees on COD and do devil mode on DMC, but how is this not as bad as those who study a particular encounter and then have to manage and lead 50-100+ people to do an encounter? I'd personally say the latter has more to brag about, and forget the study part, its the managing so many people over voice, which can easily be disrupted by people talking out of place.(and as for those vent MOTD, those generally apply to the channels raids are taking place, free to chat in general ones)

You also may want to stop focusing on the proverbial 'hardcore' of the mmo people, not all spend days on end studying instances and cursing out people for not playing inside their part o the sandbox, some of us do play for laughs and have random events on whims.

As for myself, I do a bit of all aspect, I do the COD/Halo twitch moments and go rabble rabble now n then over my streaks of awesome, and then I also go on MMO's and help shape big events. In the end I can sure say that I don't feel any less the gamer when I do either.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

The Merriam-Webster Dictionary disagrees with you and your silly definitions: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gamer

*puts on top hat and monocle*

I bite my thumb at you and those who think in the mirror opposite of your established definitions, good day to you, sir.

Thank you sir, that about sums it up. A gamer is someone who plays games, END OF DISCUSSION!
To OP:*mock Darth Vader voice* "I find your lack of faith disturbing"

 

[Billion Backs]

Good job generalizing all the MMO players and all the MMO guilds.

I'd add something else to that sentence, but mods tend to be butthurt about personal attacks so I'll abstain.

There ain't such thing as a real gamer. If you play games, any games, you're a gamer.

I've never understood why WoW players get so serious and pissed about some stuff. If you lose, you lost some time spent doing it, and what else?
EVE is the only other MMO that I know is different, although I am sure there are others. Star Wars Galaxies used to have equipment decay, but it's gone now.
If you stand to lose nothing in-game I really don't see a lot of reason to get all pissed over it. Although I can certainly understand guilds/corps/or whatever your game calls them wanting players with a good head on their shoulders. In an MMO the people you play with help shape your gaming experience, playing regularly with a good group usually means a good game.

Now replace WoW with, say, MW2. Have you seen people rage over the tiniest issue while playing just about any FPS game? Yeah. Every time I approach a console multiplayer game, there's always that, unlike PC. People get pissed off over stupid reasons everywhere, games or real life.

Edit, unrelated: And if some people think MMO end game is somehow "easy", they're mistaken. It's no less hard then any other game. There's a reason some guilds push all the rules (although frankly, when I was into WoW, I stuck with small guilds with my friends)... You can't just butt in and go "Hay you guys!" boom headshot the boss when the rest of the raid are pants on head retarded. I find the whole resume thing rather silly, too, but it's at least one way of making sure the people you raid with are somewhat knowledgeable and experienced. End game raids in most MMOs tend to require a lot of organization and team work, and personal competence as well.

 

[Deofuta]

Woah, ready for this one?

I played WoW, AND I play other games. WOAH!!!!!!!

And I got laid! So there!

Did I make you mind explode?

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Also, there are many gamers out there who enjoy the sort of challenge and (dare I say it) rigorous concentration/team effort. Strictness breeds a special connection between teams, and makes many games quite fun.

For example, ever play Starcraft? UMS type Impossible Scenarios? Requires incredible concentration/strictness, but it was incredibly fun!

 

[Crash 9000]

In my opinion, a "Real" gamer is someone who spends at least 20 hours a week playing games.
If not, then I would regard them as a casual-gaming, life-having-loser.

 

[ethaninja]

They are gamers, they just like a different kind of game. The game they play requires a different skill set from the ones you favor. It doesn't make it any less of a game.

Totally...new...concept!

Agreed. Bloody hell, if we start grouping people into different categorys because of what genre they play, we might as well give up on humanity as a whole all together P

 

[RadiusXd]

What's so special about being a "real" gamer or not being a "real" gamer?

I think the "real gamer" thing might have to do with the limitations the gameplay places on how much skill one would need to master it. mmorpgs, and particularly wow, are very lacking in this respect. E.g.
wow: lvl 80, memorised key macros and raid tactics. you have achived the rank of nerd.

Starcraft: mastered key macro's and macro (economy) management, as well as micro and balance between economy and army strength. also balance between units and tech research must be kept. can perform 180 actions per minute, and you have the tactical thinking ability of a chess grandmaster. able to manage unit production at the SAME time as individual unit micro during fairly sized or even multiple battlefronts.
You have achived rank of korean celebrity/houshold name.

It shouldn't be hard figure out that theres a great deal more required to completely master different genre/s of gaming such as rts, then there is to master mmorpg's similar to wow.
I guess my real point is people dont get payed to competitively play wow.

 

[naab]

And here I thought people played games to have fun..

 

[Voodoomancer]

Spoiler: -snip-

From my experience with video games (MMO RPGs or any type of game) i see that the MMO RPG crowd seem to be very strict about who they interact or play with just asking for an invite to a guild will end you up with a 1000 word resume http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV37Jh6sQNk

But i ask myself why? Why do the MMO RPG crowd need to be so formal in video games?
The answer is why are you so formal in real life, you wont walk up to a person on the street and ask them to be your friend, this is the mentality WoW players have it maybe silly for a video game but in the game the friends you make is the diffrence between getting into a good guild or being left doing 5mans all day.

The bosses in WoW are not there too be played with, the bosses are to be studied most of my WoW life i spent 20min before a boss fight looking at videos like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSkUlEvZdww&feature=related to see how the boss worked, from my opinion this takes away from the Game aspect,

Now going back to the players of MMO RPGs being strict people
I am not sure if this happened to you but have you ever loged onto ventrilo and the MOTD was
Rule #1 not talking when the guild master is talking
#2 no channel hopping
#3 no joking
Well i did.


Another point i want to bring up, gamers challenge themselves to do DMC on devil hunter mode, or get a 20 people killing spree on COD? yes, and this is fun because later you can brag to our friends that you finished DMC on devil hunter or that you have a 20 person kiling spree on COD, what makes this fun is that in COD,DOTA etc any player can out play you even if you played the game for 2years or in DMC where the boss can just 3 shot you if you make one small mistake,

Well this is not true for MMO RPGs, Bosses get easier and easier as you get better gear, and for PvP the one with the better gear will most likely win,

Mostly MMO RPGs are fun. you may ask me why did i bash MMOs so much just to say they are fun, well....lets say i am playing WoW and i spent the last two years getting the best gear in the game then i see an ORC that just got to level 80, do you think i wont be able too 1 shot him?
that is why MMOs are fun, your not going into the unknown when you see a person you can just look at his gear and make up your mind weather you will kill him or get killed

What you just said is like the opposite to my corp in EVE online. We're joking all the time, the only rules we have is "no griefing", you are free to interrupt me whenever, and we hire anyone who applies.

 

[bpm195]

WoW is not the only MMORPG

Don't assume just because you have a problem in WoW that it applies equally to all MMOs. I play City of Heroes a game in which some people will rigidly min-max teams and throw a fit if you do something even slightly out of the norm, but more frequently people will recognize that strong players can do pretty much anything and will play as such.

That said, some people like to do thing right when they do them. If a guild leader chooses to use a rigid command structure then it's their choice, and frankly they're probably better for it. If you can't have fun following three simple rules find other people to play with. In a group of 40 people you have to stay organized or you're going to have problems and you don't need 2 people talking about this week's zero punctuation when the raid is more important. If you want to chat do it elsewhere.

As far as that guy's application process... whatever floats your boat, but it's just anotther reminder of why I don't play WoW.

 

[claw38]

i don't really care if people consider themselves real gamers or not..what's it matter?
But i never could get into MMOs..they always seemed more like doing chores than anything. Plus what's the point of spending years grinding to level up and when you finally reach that highest level..what then? Personally, I prefer a game I can beat in a weekend and forget..and I don't like interacting with people online, because so far in my 2 years of playing any game online, the only people i've met are complete douchebags..so single player gaming ftw =D

Anyways! all gamers go your own way!

 

[BlueInkAlchemist]

Obvious troll is obvious.