Modern Music: Why I hate it

[Andalusa]

I really don't like the stuff on the radio, but it's catchy and gets in your head. Lady GaGa has been just dancing in my head for days and I really want to get it out.
I prefer late 80's early 90's music best, but I like any music that isn't a couple of beeps and short drum riff copied and pasted for 3 minutes.

 

[Neosage]

Thats why I've been listening to music from Northern Europe!
Oh, and They are possibly more insane than the Japanese when it comes to music videos. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGUFfa2iDHg]

That hammer is singing. I am afraid.

Wait till it starts licking knives and the whole toolbox starts to dance.

[link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o-77mN06_4&feature=related[/link] I prefer this song.

 

[Jharry5]

Modern music isn't exclusively what's on the radio, just what's selling well. And sales figures do not always reflect what's 'good' (although that is just a point of view).
I agree with the OP; modern radio music is terrible, but not all modern music is. Due to the internet, you just have to look harder to find good music in a saturated market...

 

[coldfrog]

like rap (ex: T.I.) and honestly, I see no need to explain why I like the music I do. If you don't like it, fine, but quit being a hater and a fanboy and just listen to what you like.

Sometimes I enjoy trying to bait people into attacking Noise. Most of the time it's so obvious they have no idea what they're talking about and it is hilarious. I find when people attack an entire genre or "modern music" they're just trying to inflate themselves or they don't understand what they're listening too.

So what you're saying is only SOME people can make noise? And that some noise is better than other noise?

Well, at least we agree on one thing.

You ARE familiar with John Cage, yes? And the piece I referenced?

Good Noise, yes. It requires a special type of ear and knowledge of what makes a Noise track interesting. The subculture has standards and will reject things it considers bad, like most of Wolf Eyes' work, as I mentioned earlier. While still valuing the band's more polished albums and collaborations. A lot of Noise bands care nothing about their intellectual foundation and only focus on obtaining an immediate emotional response from the listener. C.C.C.C for example explicitly rejected Noise's conceptual foundation and only cared about emotional impact.

And yes, I'm quite familiar with that piece and John Cage.

Just because it doesn't follow standards you understand doesn't invalidate it. Music that's based around dissonance and "unpleasantness" has been around since the late 1800's IE Luigi Russolo and possibly earlier. There's also tracks in the subculture that conform to traditional notions of beauty, take for example the Venice album by Christian Fennesz or Their Subtle Purpose by Circular Ruins.

I agree that there are definitely talents required to make noise and that some people are arguably better at it than others. What it doesn't change is that it is piercing and grating and not pleasant.

The closest I will get to liking this type of sound is this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V62j8cztnEU]. (Sonny Sharrock is fantastic)

Modern music is where you find it. There is not a lot of great mainstream rock and pop out there right now but there are plenty of underground other bands. You've just gotta look. Hard.

 

[zen5887]

I'll say what I said in the 7 other threads exactly the same as this one.

Times change, peoples taste in music changes. It's as simple as that.

 

[Aura Guardian]

The Veronicas
"Untouched"

I go ooh ooh, you go ah ah
lalalalalalalala

lalalalalalalala
I wanna wanna wanna get get get what I want
Don't stop
Give me give me give me what you got got
Cause I can't wait wait wait any more more more more
Don't even talk about the consequence
Cause right now you're the only thing that's making any sense to me
And I don't give a damn what they say, what they think think
Cause you're the only one who's on my mind
I'll never ever let you leave me
I'll try to stop time for ever, never wanna hear you say goodbye (bye bye bye)

I feel so untouched
And I want you so much
That I just can't resist you
It's not enough to say that I miss you
I feel so untouched right now
Need you so much somehow
I can't forget you
I've gone crazy from the moment I met you

Untouched
And I need you so much

See you, breathe you, I want to be you
Alalalala alalalala
You can take take take take take time time
To live live the way you gotta gotta live your life
Give me give me give me all of you you
Don't be scared
I'll see you through the loneliness of one more more more
Don't even think about what's right or wrong, wrong or right
'Cause in the end it's only you and me and no one else is gonna be around
To answer all the questions left behind
And you and I are meant to be so even if the world falls down today
You've still got me to hold you up up
And I will never let you down (down)

I feel so untouched
And I want you so much
That I just can't resist you
It's not enough to say that I miss you
I feel so untouched right now
Need you so much somehow
I can't forget you
I've gone crazy from the moment I met you

Untouched, untouched, untouched, untouched, untouched
Alalalala alalalala
Untouched
Alalalala alalalala

I feel so untouched
And I want you so much
That I just can't resist you
It's not enough to say that I miss you
I feel so untouched right now
Need you so much somehow
I can't forget you
I've gone crazy from the moment I met you

I feel so untouched
And I want you so much
That I just can't resist you
It's not enough to say that I miss you
I feel so untouched right now
Need you so much somehow
I can't forget you
I've gone crazy from the moment I met you

Untouched, untouched, untouched

Brittney

Superstar
Where you from, how's it going?
I know you
Gotta clue, what youre doing?
You can play brand new to all the other chicks out here
But I know what you are, what you are, baby

Look at you
Gettin' more than just re-up
Baby, you
Got all the puppets with their strings up
Fakin' like a good one, but I call 'em like I see 'em
I know what you are, what you are, baby

Womanizer
Woman-Womanizer
You're a womanizer
Oh Womanizer
Oh You're a Womanizer Baby
You, You You Are
You, You You Are
Womanizer, Womanizer, Womanizer

Boy don't try to front I (I) know just (just) what you are (are are)
Boy don't try to front I (I) know just (just) what you are (are are)

You Got Me Goin'
You're Oh-So Charmin'
But I can't do it
U Womanizer

Boy don't try to front I (I) know just (just) what you are (are are)
Boy don't try to front I (I) know just (just) what you are (are are)

You Say I'm Crazy
I got Your Crazy
You're nothing but
A Womanizer

Daddy-O
You got the swagger of champion
Too bad for you
Just can't find the right companion
I guess when you have one too many, makes it hard
It could be easy
Who you are, that's who you are, baby

Lollipop
Must mistake me you're a sucker
To think that I
Would be a victim not another
Say it, play it how you wanna
But no way I'm ever gonna fall for you, never you, baby

Womanizer
Woman-Womanizer
You're a womanizer
Oh Womanizer
Oh You're a Womanizer Baby
You, You You Are
You, You You Are
Womanizer, Womanizer, Womanizer

Boy don't try to front I (I) know just (just) what you are (are are)
Boy don't try to front I (I) know just (just) what you are (are are)

You Got Me Goin'
You're Oh-So Charmin'
But I can't do it
U Womanizer

Boy don't try to front I (I) know just (just) what you are (are are)
Boy don't try to front I (I) know just (just) what you are (are are)

You Say I'm Crazy
I got Your Crazy
You're nothing but
A Womanizer

Maybe if we both lived in different worlds
(Womanizer Womanizer Womanizer Womanizer)
It would be all good, and maybe I could be ya girl
But I can't 'cause we don't
You...

Womanizer
Woman-Womanizer
You're a womanizer
Oh Womanizer
Oh You're a Womanizer Baby
You, You You Are
You, You You Are
Womanizer, Womanizer, Womanizer

Boy don't try to front I (I) know just (just) what you are (are are)
Boy don't try to front I (I) know just (just) what you are (are are)

You Got Me Goin'
You're Oh-So Charmin'
But I can't do it
U Womanizer

Boy don't try to front I (I) know just (just) what you are (are are)
Boy don't try to front I (I) know just (just) what you are (are are)

You Say I'm Crazy
I got Your Crazy
You're nothing but
A Womanizer

Boy don't try to front I (I) know just (just) what you are (are are)
Boy don't try to front I (I) know just (just) what you are (are are)

Womanizer
Woman-Womanizer
You're a womanizer
Oh Womanizer
Oh You're a Womanizer Baby

This is music?

 

[clarinetJWD]

Here is an artist I'm quite fond of. He is modern, and you're going to hate him. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAw0-lx1gcU]

I don't hate him. He's definitely an artist and I get what he's doing, but here's the catch.

It's not music.

It's noise.

And here's the thing about noise:

Anyone can make noise.

You may as well perform 4'33".

What are you trying to say about John Cage?

Music is what you call music, nothing more, nothing less. If that is music to some ears, then it is music. Granted, I wasn't overly enamored by that, and I like a lot of music no one else seems too, but I'm not going to tell someone that they're not making music, when that is clearly their intent.

What do you think of Musique Concrete [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9pOq8u6-bA]?

EDIT: If you like Mr. Bungle, give Capillary Action (Album So Embarassing) a listen. Very cool stuff. Hella, too (My favorite album being "Bitches ain't Shit, but Good People")

 

[Erana]

Thats why I've been listening to music from Northern Europe!
Oh, and They are possibly more insane than the Japanese when it comes to music videos. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGUFfa2iDHg]

That hammer is singing. I am afraid.

Wait till it starts licking knives and the whole toolbox starts to dance.

[link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o-77mN06_4&feature=related[/link] I prefer this song.

Yeah. My personal favorite is Bird. The Knife are like modern bagpipes; beautiful music to some, and noise to others.
Or would that put them in the category of "Noise?"

 

[Malkavian]

I've been thinking about this recently. Almost all of the songs you hear anymore... are just generic. And I don't just mean musically. Everyone knows that pop music is generic anyway, but I'm talking about the lyrics: there's nothing specific anymore. What happened to all the story songs like Tangled Up In Blue, The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia, Harper Valley PTA... songs that refer to specific events and tell specific stories. The songs these days are just variations on "I love you" and "Why did we break up?" etc.

The lack of content and banality almost drives you insane.

I think you're not looking hard enough...
Coheed & Cambria, Ayreon, Devin Townsend on his newest... these tell actual stories.
If you mean just songs who are telling "stories", how about Bright Eyes, Dresden Dolls, Babyshambles, Tori Amos...

Thereøs lots, if you look hard enough.

 

[curlycrouton]

Okay, I know we're living in messed up times right now, but what's up with music? Have you noticed how we have moved away from some genres only to replace them with dance, rap, pop, or any mix of them? What happened to good music? Modern music doesn't have that "feel" when I listen to it. The moment any Lady Gaga or Jonas brothers or any form of rap comes onto the radio, I immediately switch to another station. Older music, like Led Zepplin, or even some '90s music comes on, I turn up the volume. What happened?

That's an extremely ignorant point of view. Lady GaGa and the Jonas Brothers hardly represent "modern music", and nor does most of the things you hear on the radio. Modern music can be anything from this, to this, to this.

 

[s0ap sudz]

I've been thinking about this recently. Almost all of the songs you hear anymore... are just generic. And I don't just mean musically. Everyone knows that pop music is generic anyway, but I'm talking about the lyrics: there's nothing specific anymore. What happened to all the story songs like Tangled Up In Blue, The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia, Harper Valley PTA... songs that refer to specific events and tell specific stories. The songs these days are just variations on "I love you" and "Why did we break up?" etc.

The lack of content and banality almost drives you insane.

I think you're not looking hard enough...
Coheed & Cambria, Ayreon, Devin Townsend on his newest... these tell actual stories.
If you mean just songs who are telling "stories", how about Bright Eyes, Dresden Dolls, Babyshambles, Tori Amos...

Thereøs lots, if you look hard enough.

Coheed and Cambria are great. I have to admit though, the first time I heard them, I thought it was a female singing.

 

[Joselyn]

Okay, I know we're living in messed up times right now, but what's up with music? Have you noticed how we have moved away from some genres only to replace them with dance, rap, pop, or any mix of them? What happened to good music? Modern music doesn't have that "feel" when I listen to it. The moment any Lady Gaga or Jonas brothers or any form of rap comes onto the radio, I immediately switch to another station. Older music, like Led Zepplin, or even some '90s music comes on, I turn up the volume. What happened?

I concur 100%
I think a vast majority of people were secretly chipped by aliens or some other
freakish phenomena, to actually like this undiluted crap "they" refer to as "music"!!!!
xP

 

[OuroborosChoked]

I've been thinking about this recently. Almost all of the songs you hear anymore... are just generic. And I don't just mean musically. Everyone knows that pop music is generic anyway, but I'm talking about the lyrics: there's nothing specific anymore. What happened to all the story songs like Tangled Up In Blue, The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia, Harper Valley PTA... songs that refer to specific events and tell specific stories. The songs these days are just variations on "I love you" and "Why did we break up?" etc.

The lack of content and banality almost drives you insane.

I think you're not looking hard enough...
Coheed & Cambria, Ayreon, Devin Townsend on his newest... these tell actual stories.
If you mean just songs who are telling "stories", how about Bright Eyes, Dresden Dolls, Babyshambles, Tori Amos...

Thereøs lots, if you look hard enough.

Hmm... when was the last time I turned on the radio and I heard the Dresden Dolls...

I think it was... oh right, never.

I just listened to a bunch of Coheed & Cambria (via Youtube... I'm not buying any albums for experimentation's sake)... they're exactly what I'm talking about. The songs I listened to (Blood Red Summer, The Suffering, and some other ones) meant nothing and made no attempt to connect to the listener. Contrast C&C (music factory that they are) with the Eels.

C&C, at least in Blood Red Summer, takes a simple idea (betrayal) and just repeats "what did I do to deserve this?" for half the damn song. There's no interesting wordplay, it doesn't either implicitly or explicitly refer to a specific event in the writer's life, and there isn't even any language that paints a picture. He lays down what amounts to an outline of an event, then repeats a trite exclamation. It's generic.

Now, I may be falling back on personal taste here, but I can relate to what E writes about. For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQXAZrgPIH4 He uses specific imagery to tell specific stories and/or relate specific emotions and states of mind. From the first two lines "It's a beautiful mornin' / The sky is black as ink" you're thinking of a specific event in YOUR life... maybe a time when you were up before the sun or when you stayed up all night or whatever... in the first two lines the song has you in its grip.

THAT is the difference I'm talking about: forging a connection by building ideas, images, and metaphors vs. communicating simple ideas with repetition.

 

[new_age_reject]

You need to broaden your horizons.
End of.

 

[Berethond]

Listen to jazz and funk blues and stop bitching.
Also try some grunge symphonic metal while you're at it!

Fixed that up for you!

 

[Fightgarr]

Have you noticed how we have moved away from some genres only to replace them with dance, rap, pop, or any mix of them?

Have you noticed that as anything evolves, genres change or die and are replaced with new ones that more accurately reflect current society. At the moment celebrity life and the rich and famous is all that people seem to be able to swallow right now so that's what popular music is. Masses of people are shallow so shallow music is created.

I would say that the argument of modern music being dead is an ignorant one. Popular music is generally pretty soulless but you could say that about almost any era of music. You have to dig a little deeper. Not even that much deeper. Just below that surface. Modern music may be shallow but you're only looking at the surface.

 

[Ace of Spades]

I'm wasting my breath here, but some of you guys are taking music way too seriously. Listen to what you like, and ignore what you don't. Mellow out maaaaaaaan.

 

[RufusMcLaser]

I think we're all acting older than we have any right to.

And yet! I understand how OP feels. In the last five years I've heard, perhaps, five new songs on the radio which I liked enough to buy. Damned if I know why, though. When I was really getting into music- in the heady days of "alternative", the mid 90's- I loved most of what I heard. Probably because it was all new to me. That's no longer the case; now the older stuff is more interesting, because it's so different. Maybe I'll end up being into jazz.

 

[xXGeckoXx]

Where did Robinson Crusoe go....

I mean the song where did Robinson Crusoe go.