Most Obvious Plot Holes (spoilers ahoy!)

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MortisLegio

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Johnnyallstar said:
I want to point out the entire plot of CoD:MW2.

Oh, example? Well, the catalyst for the invasion of America is the terrorist attack in a Russian airport where there was one American corpse..... Okay.

To think that Russian security was so lax there that they didn't check the cameras to see who else was involved, or that American intelligencia wouldn't be out there doing a massive CYA job to prevent such an invasion from happening by their fault is lowbrow thinking at its utmost.

The entire plot for Modern Warfare 2 was one big facepalm after another.
my problem with the game is the Russians invading the Eastern Seaboard without being detected.
They would have to fly over how many countries to get there and no one picked them up on radar? you would think the US military ,after losing a satelite, would say "ok ,just in case, lets change our access codes so someone cant hack our systems."

the game is so full of plot holes and screw ups I stopped counting
 

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Transformers 1.

Whatever happened to the guys in the underground bit trying to get the signal out? They got the signal out, and were never seen/heard from again. Not a plot hole, just bad continunity
 

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FargoDog said:
notyouraveragejoe said:
FargoDog said:
Lastly:

Blake is psychotic. He is in charge. I mean he wanted to open fire on the religious guy and he's pretty much insane. I mean he's even suspected of being the murderer at some point. So it isn't surprising that he'd be fine with getting Ethan killed

I personally have to say (this is from film) the first Transformers film. Where did the police car (I think its Barricade) go? I mean seriously he's there one minute and then...he's gone. Disappeared. For the whole film. Argh!
...So the other 12 cops who were there with the rifles were all just like '...Ok, I'm fine with ripping that guy to shreds with a hail of bullets'
They were likely convinced he was the killer. I mean they were told that they were hunting down someone who kidnaps and murders kids then

does the same to his kids
. Also he'd evaded capture and as such they would've known he was a fugitive and believed that he was armed and dangerous. Lastly I doubt any of them would've risked pissing off one of their psycho bosses.
 

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The Seldom Seen Kid said:
The only one I can think of is The Dark Knight (I know, it's not really gaming, whatever.)
As much as I love that movie, it's just littered with inconsistencies.
Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
When would he find time rig two entire boats?
How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars?
Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face?
And most importantly: Why is defeating ten henchmen single-handedly more difficult then a single person with a knife? Or a dog, for that matter?

EDIT: I found a gaming-related one:
If Isaac's wife, from Dead Space, is a product of his imagination: HOW COULD SHE HAVE OPENED A DOOR FOR HIM VIA A COMPUTER NETWORK?!
I think you've missed the point a couple of your Dark Knight related ones

1.Why woukld Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
In the killing Joke the Joker states "sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes I remember it another, if I'm going to have a past I'd prefer it to be multiple choice" (not exact quote but near enough), so one possibility is that he is too crazy to have a clear picture of the trauma, secondly he could be(and probably is) just lying, and he gets a thrill from making people squirm by telling them the little stories that reflect on the person he is telling the story to in some way, put simply it is a game for him, that is the point, not a plot hole.

2. Why is Batman taking the heat for Two Face?
if you don't get that either you're a troll or you weren't paying attention. Harvey Dent represented a symbol to the people that things could get better in Gotham through pure, honest and legal means, plus if his reputation was tarnished the criminals he helped to convict (the trial with a crowd of defendants at one time)would have been let out of the streets, it was better for public morale and for the process of fighting crime that Harvey Dent was still seen as a "White Knight"
 

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paynexkiller said:
Zhukov said:
I got a couple from the Matrix movies.

Okay, so in the first movie Morpheus explains that the machines keep humans alive so they can harvest their body heat. Fair enough. But why use humans? Why not use sheep instead? They're less prone to rebellion.
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No sun, no grass, no sheep. AmIright?
I imagine its harder to feed humans than it is sheep.
 

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paynexkiller said:
Zhukov said:
I got a couple from the Matrix movies.

Okay, so in the first movie Morpheus explains that the machines keep humans alive so they can harvest their body heat. Fair enough. But why use humans? Why not use sheep instead? They're less prone to rebellion.
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No sun, no grass, no sheep. AmIright?
If the lack of sunlight killed all the plants and animals, what were the people eating?

And that still doesn't explain why they couldn't just keep the people sedated.

EDIT: Oh for the love of... ninja'd!
 

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Splinter Cell: Conviction has two massive holes:

Firstly, Reed had to know that Grim was a mole, because the game wouldn't have happened otherwise. That pojnt made no sense. The game could only happen because he DIDN'T know.

Sam is in Valetta looking for his daughter's killer, although he doesn't have a name for his target. This information was leaked to him through an unknown source, Grim knew he was there. Coincidence? I think not.

Grim is the one who alerts him to the mercenary presence in the town, and from there he learns who Kobin is. But the thing is, Sam had no idea who he was looking for, and Kobin would've had no idea he was there unless Reed (who had surveillance one Sam) told him. Grim told Kobin that Sam was after him, Sam WASN'T after him. He sent Gramkos after Sam and Sam found out after Grim told him about Gramkos.

And the only reasons he would do that, instead of allowing Sam to go his merry way, are clinical retardation or knowledge that Grim was working against the third Eschelon. Grim was working against Tom Reed for a long time before the game takes place, the game is (what the folks over at TVTropes would call) a massive Batman Gambit by Grim.

Secondly, why would all the Splinter Cells suddenly go psycho like they did? Splinter Cells are extremely loyal. They wwill do anything for their superior. Sam killed Dhalia Tal in Isreal just because Lambert told him to. They believed it was for the greater good.

It's established canon that all agents of 3E have to have been special forces operatives at one time or another, for an extended duration, yet they all attack the white house without remorse. Attacking Sam I can understand (he was a rogue agent), but why would they do something like that? Tom Reed told them to. If he told them to kill a town of innocents they would have. Their job is to follow his orders and they do it.
Answers in quote. Also:

Sam was trying to get away from his old life for 3 years. When he heard from an anonymous source (Grim) that Sarah's killer was in Malta he headed there. She then contacted him to warn him about Gramkos who was coming to kill him. At the same time she had tols Reed that Sam knew about the EMPs, even though he didn't. She told Kobin that Sam knew he was Sarah's killer (once again, he didn't know) and he sent Gramkos to off Sam.

Sam, through interrogating Gramkos, discovered Kobin was Sarah's killer. Sam then went to the mansion to 'talk' with Kobin. This however was all a plan by Grin to capture Sam and recruit him into stopping Reed. Reed thought she had captured him to find out how he had discovered his plans for the EMPs. Grim recruited Sam and he 'escaped'. Sam then called his old friend Victor Coste for help. They, with help from Grim, learned about Reeds plan. While they couldn't stop the plan they could reduce the damage by neutralising one of the EMPs. They then got Sam into the White House to stop Reed, but first he had to reach Grim.

Reed didn't know Grim was a mole until the very end and then he died. Reed's entire plan was to fake a terrorist attack, killing the President so Third Echelon could survive and the VP would be made the new President. This was because Megiddo, a mysterious sectret organisation, wanted to influence US affairs by having both 3E and the VP in thier pockets.

Though personally I don't like the Megiddo angle.
 

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psivamp said:
The Seldom Seen Kid said:
Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
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How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars?
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Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face?
He tailors the story of how he got his scars to the person he's talking to -- yes, I realize I'm probably the umpteenth person to point this out, this thread wasn't interesting enough to keep reading all the way through.

You may have noticed that EVERYONE in that honor guard had been replaced with the Joker's own henchmen. Also, he wore makeup so it was less obvious from a distance, and no one looks at the people in the honor guard, they aren't the focus of the event.

The reason Batman takes the heat for Two-Face is blatantly and explicitly given to you by the film, there's no subtlety there.
I think the real question is why were they using real bullets instead of blanks?
 

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KwaggaDan said:
Xangi said:
KwaggaDan said:
But he'd remember
possibly killing the hooker chick (sorry, forgot her name) or the business man?

That's a good attempt, but it doesn't really fit...
Was that at my post? sorry, you're a couple posts down.

He would remember those because he didn't have to act innocent in the story after doing them (meaning he didn't have to lie at all about them). When he killed that rich guy no one was around to see (he killed them all) and the cops never found him. I never saw him kill the hooker, but I'll hazard a guess that he didn't have to lie to anyone about that, as it was probably at the end of the game.
He can choose to kill Lauren when the car is sinking

That makes sense, but wouldn't Lauren have heard
the loud thud and the ow from the storekeeper
The thud, I think she did hear (not too sure), that's why she came running. If he was hit from behind, he most likely wouldn't have even made a noise aside from falling, the "people-making-a-scream-before-dying" is a myth, if it was a surprise, he wouldn't have made any noise at all.

(I don't remember the revised version of that scene well. If he did scream in the revised version, then I have no idea why she wouldn't hear it, aside from all the hair covering her ears :) )
 

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Disaster Button said:
Dead Space had a pretty unforgivable one.

If Isaac possessed any intelligence at all he could have just looked at the first letter of every chatper to see that "NICOLE IS DEAD" instead of being surprised by it later.
Fool.
Ummm...
The chapter titles were for the player's benefit, not Isaac's.
All Isaac was seeing on those screens was "medical ward" or "engineering" or whatever.
What ship would actually put up chapter titles?

Anyway... the worst plot hole I've encountered?
Sorry, I don't know how to use the spoiler code, so just stop reading here.

After you finish the main quest in Oblivion, you literally leave the entire place without an Emperor, or any heirs to speak of. This wouldn't be much of a problem, except that up to that point, the game keeps selling you on the idea that the royal blood line is needed to preserve the magical barriers between Tamriel and Oblivion. Well, by the end of the game, Martin, the last remnant of the royal bloodline sacrifices himself to kill Mehrunes Dagon. Trouble is... now that the bloodline is gone forever, what's to stop the Daedra from launching another invasion?
Clearly you are blind to irony.
 

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baseracer said:
I think the real question is why were they using real bullets instead of blanks?
The rifles used are real weapons, you can easily load them with live rounds. It's not like the shooting at the ceremony was a rushed thing, they abducted the real honor guard beforehand so it would follow that they swapped out the mags.
 

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paynexkiller said:
Vault Citizen said:
paynexkiller said:
Zhukov said:
I got a couple from the Matrix movies.

Okay, so in the first movie Morpheus explains that the machines keep humans alive so they can harvest their body heat. Fair enough. But why use humans? Why not use sheep instead? They're less prone to rebellion.
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No sun, no grass, no sheep. AmIright?
I imagine its harder to feed humans than it is sheep.
Essentially, the main answer is; The Matrix wouldn't of been very interesting with the Keanu Reeves Sheep equivalent.
Still, a sheep could do a better job acting.
 

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paynexkiller said:
Vault Citizen said:
paynexkiller said:
Zhukov said:
I got a couple from the Matrix movies.

Okay, so in the first movie Morpheus explains that the machines keep humans alive so they can harvest their body heat. Fair enough. But why use humans? Why not use sheep instead? They're less prone to rebellion.
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No sun, no grass, no sheep. AmIright?
I imagine its harder to feed humans than it is sheep.
Essentially, the main answer is; The Matrix wouldn't of been very interesting with the Keanu Reeves Sheep equivalent.
you have to admit, the Matrix with Sheep sounds pretty funny.
 

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Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
And while we're on FPS's, let's talk briefly about Bad Company 2.

Ok. There is a level in the campaign that takes place in the middle of a fucking desert. Apparently, some boat is in the middle of it. I think when they find that out, one character questions it, but never gets an answer. As if that wasn't bad enough, there happen to be multiple boats in the middle of the desert. AND A MOTHER FUCKING LIGHTHOUSE. And no one even bothers questioning either of those.
It was a lake/river/ocean, and it dried up.
See also: Sahara
 

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azncutthroat said:
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the U.S. is too stupid to give other countries the security tape; killing Makarov's guards and capturing him(so he doesn't become a martyr) is impossible;
Umm... actually, seeing as how it was Gen. Shepard that was managing the operation and actually wanted the US to be blamed.... sorry, not exactly a plot hole.

IHateDaManSkirt said:
respected members of a American-British Task Force are labeled terrorists by an untrusted country and their home country believes it;
Respected...? Umm... you do know that the rosters for military task forces are presumably classified? What else can other countries do when they're told that 'x' and 'y' are terrorists?

IHateDaManSkirt said:
the Russian people are retarded; and General whatshisname is also retarded.
I'm not even going to dignify an answer to this.
1: By your logic either Gen. Shepard is a really: Insane (or a case of bad writing) or the writers thought it would be cool to get betrayed.
2:The Rhetorical Question. Used only to persuade and (in this case) belittle. Anyway, Task Force 141 was originally British and was probably combined with a similar American force. Thus it is a joint force. Are the rosters of military task forces classified to officials in the country that most of the soldiers in said task force call home? Countries can support their own soldiers.
3:You do realize that it wasn't a question and therefore, does not require or even ask for an answer, don't you?
 

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Legion said:
The Seldom Seen Kid said:
Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
He is trying to mess with peoples heads. It's what he does. Plus he isn't mentally stable, I would have thought that was obvious.

When would he find time rig two entire boats?
That's what Henchman are for.

How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars?
They had more important issues to deal with than identify every officer by face and considering the make-up he normally wore, the scars are not normally as obvious.

Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face?
He is a decent person, and by exposing Two Face, they'd show that the one politician everyone believed to be incorruptible is not. Seriously? They explained it extremely clearly when the police Chief's sun asks him that exact question.

And most importantly: Why is defeating ten henchmen single-handedly more difficult then a single person with a knife? Or a dog, for that matter?
He is only human, and dogs are a lot harder to deal with than humans when they are going for your throat.
Answers in bold.
Yes but there remains one question. Why not pin Harvey Dent on the joker, at that point no one would possibly believe the Joker when he claimed Two-face was evil, with supercop Gordon and Batman both stating otherwise. Who would the population have believed, Batman taking the wrap was completely unnecessary in my mind and it was the only thing about that movie that bothered me.
 

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SwimmingRock said:
The Seldom Seen Kid said:
The only one I can think of is The Dark Knight (I know, it's not really gaming, whatever.)
As much as I love that movie, it's just littered with inconsistencies.
Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
Gonna answer this one, because I'm a comics dork. In the comic "The Killing Joke" (which was part of the inspiration for TDKs Joker), the Joker tells several people how he ended up the way he did, but there are inconsistencies in the stories. When this is pointed out, he replies by saying that he doesn't really remember all that well and he's not sure what he remembers at any given time is even at all accurate. So, basically, he's mental. Also, he seems to use it as a segueway into whatever point he's trying to make. Maybe it's just so the listener will pay more attention to find the connection?

EDIT: Right, so Legion answered this in a simpler and clearer way. Consider me overly verbose and redundant.
That leads to the greatest line the Joker has ever uttered and makes the whole "origin" trope moot when he says, "If I'm going to have a history, I'd prefer it to be multiple choice". He knows he's lying to everyone, we've seen his origin in "The Man in the Red Hood", but other than Batman and himself, nobody (in the comics) knows that because Batman failed to stop him when he was working for the Red Hood Gang and caused him to become the Joker. I have a theory that the Joker isn't as insane as he wants the people to think and he knows that if they think he's insane then he'll have an easier time getting out of Arkham than he would an electric chair.
 

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In kingdom hearts II when yo ufirst play as Roxas. If you rearrange a few letters and take the X out..it's Sora. Not that fricken hard if people actually played Chain of Memories.