Most Obvious Plot Holes (spoilers ahoy!)

[DracoSuave]

The only one I can think of is The Dark Knight (I know, it's not really gaming, whatever.)
As much as I love that movie, it's just littered with inconsistencies.
Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?

You'd -expect- the Joker to tell the truth or even believe the same story?

Your inability to understand this quandry (and others about the movie) hinges on the assumption that the Joker is a perfectly sane, law abiding citizen, with rational motives and plan, who has no minions.

He is none of those things.

Once you grok that, your questions become answerable with multiple possible explanations.

He could be insane and telling what he thinks is the truth, or he could be lying to create discord.

Either fits the narrative.

But 'He's telling two inconsistant stories so it makes no sense' does not. It ONLY makes sense that he tells two inconsistant stories.

 

[AWDMANOUT]

In Transformers 2,

(WHICH SUCKEDDDD)

The little RC Decepticon? Remember him? Well, after they went inside that one temple, HE DISAPPEARED FROM THE MOVIE. Seriously, just, poof. It aggravated me so much after I noticed it.

 

[Druyn]

Dead Space had a pretty unforgivable one.

Spoiler

If Isaac possessed any intelligence at all he could have just looked at the first letter of every chatper to see that "NICOLE IS DEAD" instead of being surprised by it later.

Fool.

yeah, because you know, he cuold just press start and open up the menu to choose which chapter he wanted to play. Its obvious for us, but I dont think Isaac had any way of seeing that himself.

Dead Space had a pretty unforgivable one.

Spoiler

If Isaac possessed any intelligence at all he could have just looked at the first letter of every chatper to see that "NICOLE IS DEAD" instead of being surprised by it later.

Fool.

Since when does the main character know that they are in a game much less what the chapters are called

I am very disappointed in both of you that you didn't even once consider that I was speaking ironically.

All right, I apologize for offending you, but if you mean it ironically, then now I dont see how it's a plot hole.

 

[Treefingers]

Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?

Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face?

Well, in relation to the scars thing, it's obviously not a plot hole or a mistake. It's there for effect. The reason... i'm not sure what the filmmakers intended, but i think it adds to The Joker's mystery and insanity. He's not telling his victims about his scars to inform the audience of his past, he's doing it to scare his victims shitless. He's above logical reason and explanation.

And the second one is obvious if you actually paid any attention to the film. Batman is being who he needs to be - a figure for the general public to hate. They put their faith in Dent, who failed. Batman keeps their faith in Dent alive by taking the blame for Dent's actions because he believes that the people need a face they can depend on.

EDIT: (The rest of your points were fair game though)

 

[Turtleboy1017]

Modern warfare 2 SPOILERS!

In response to all of the MW2 posts (although the whole story doesn't make a lot of sense) I would say that the major hole is that the attack on the airport even takes place. At the beginning of that mission your boss (the guy who betrays you in the end) tells you how hard it has been to get you secretly into Makarov's group thing and also how much of a total tosser Makarov is (i.e. already known to responsible for acts of genocide e.t.c.) so why don't you just shoot Makarov in the back of the head. I mean assuming you know that the attack is going to happen, and it must be pretty obvious when your rolling up to an airport with enough guns and ammunition to make Stalin blush, then any normal human being and especially a trained soldier would kill Makarov and his mates when the opportunity arose. I mean they don't need any evidence of Makarov doing something bad to order an assassination of him, they already know he's an enemy and this is a prime moment to kill him and save 100s of lives. Didn't make a lot of sense to me.

I assume you've never heard of the concept of "infiltration", "undercover agent", "immunity" or "sting operation"?

Yeah, and 90 percent of the time those infiltrations are meant to get to the leaders of the organization, and cause chaos within. What better way to do that then MURDER THE HEAD HONCHO AND HIS BEST MATES?

Sorry, but that part just made zero sense to me. And a ton of others who played the game. Defending it is just kinda irrational, looking at it purely as a story, its almost impossible to say it was actually well thought out, deep, engaging, or in other words all that decent in any way.

 

[Z(ombie)fan]

Bioshock:

Spoiler

Dying causes you to be instantly revived in the nearest VitaChamber, because you are close enough to Andrew Ryan's genetic code and he can use VitaChambers. When he commits suicide-by-player, his personal VitaChamber in his office is off. Presumably this was to make the point that Ryan doesn't give a toss anymore because his city has gone to Hell and there's nothing to be done so he wants to die. However, the game spawns you in the closest nearby VitaChamber. Since that one was off it would just mean he would be routed to the next closest chamber. So obviously Ryan spawned in a chamber just outside his office, then ran away before shit hit the fan with Fontaine.

Tldr: science happened in Bioshock, Andrew Ryan is still alive...?

HAHA! thats a hilarious point! he just makes you teleport him out of there.

or something...

EDIT: actually, why are there respawn chabers ALL OVER THE CITY, when there is, what, two people capable of their use?

Maybe each chamber has a set range, and if you die outside of that range you don't get revived. If that's the case, it would only make sense to have dozens of chambers spread out over the city to insure that no matter where you go in the city, you'll be in range of a chamber.

well here is another: people seemed to hate him and jack, so why didnt they just go "*insert person here* SMASH!" on all of the vita-chambers? then they could easily kill the fuck out o' ryan and be done with him.

though, that could wipe the plot hole out 8bit loves bioshocking plot hole... [sub][sub][sub]you see what i did there?[/sub][/sub][/sub]

 

[Disaster Button]

Dead Space had a pretty unforgivable one.

Spoiler

If Isaac possessed any intelligence at all he could have just looked at the first letter of every chatper to see that "NICOLE IS DEAD" instead of being surprised by it later.

Fool.

yeah, because you know, he cuold just press start and open up the menu to choose which chapter he wanted to play. Its obvious for us, but I dont think Isaac had any way of seeing that himself.

Dead Space had a pretty unforgivable one.

Spoiler

If Isaac possessed any intelligence at all he could have just looked at the first letter of every chatper to see that "NICOLE IS DEAD" instead of being surprised by it later.

Fool.

Since when does the main character know that they are in a game much less what the chapters are called

I am very disappointed in both of you that you didn't even once consider that I was speaking ironically.

All right, I apologize for offending you, but if you mean it ironically, then now I dont see how it's a plot hole.

It's fine and exactly.

 

[CHIMP MAGNET]

I did talk to the fwalks who is invulnerable to radiation and he said something along the lines of 'This is YOUR destiny, you must for fill it.' i mean what an arsehole!

 

[Gh0st1y_H]

How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars? The only possible plot hole here, although Joker being there didn't mean much anyway. He could've easily been replaced by another of his henchmen and there wouldn't be a slight difference, apart from showing off his infiltration skills.

He wasn't part of the soldier parade. Watch the movie again. He has a schizophrenic take the shot.

 

[Marv21]

In Transformers 2,

(WHICH SUCKEDDDD)

The little RC Decepticon? Remember him? Well, after they went inside that one temple, HE DISAPPEARED FROM THE MOVIE. Seriously, just, poof. It aggravated me so much after I noticed it.

Not to mention that Optimius Prime was beating the shit out of everyone to such a degree I believe he could have killed one, but who knew that Autobots were the most fragile pieces of machinery known to man because he took one good stab and then he died....I mean he ripped the face of someone that doesn't count for shit?....but if robots were vunerable in the chest why didn't Optimius just stab them in the freaking chest.

All I can say it that it is a Micheal Bay film.

 

[02y211]

Ok, so I've seen some Dark Knight comments on this thread. I just have one beef with that movie and that is: When the Joker blows up the fat guy with the contusion(the cell phone), how come in the next scene everyone who was in the room with the Joker are suddenly missing? I figure that the guy the Joker held hostage could've been offed by the Joker himself, but there were several other police officers in the room. the Joker doesn't even fall down he just sorta bends over. I suppose the Joker could've gotten lucky and everyone but him got hit by shrapnel or knocked out by taking something big to the face, but it's sorta unlikely. Did I miss something or was this just weird?

Edit: I just watched the scene again, and there's actually a shot of the policemen getting blow over, but it still seems unlikely to me, them being in the same room and all, only meters apart.

How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars? The only possible plot hole here, although Joker being there didn't mean much anyway. He could've easily been replaced by another of his henchmen and there wouldn't be a slight difference, apart from showing off his infiltration skills.

He wasn't part of the soldier parade. Watch the movie again. He has a schizophrenic take the shot.

Actually he was, there's a focus shot on him looking a bit disappointed about having missed killing the mayor. You can recognize him on the scars on his face.

 

[thenoblitt]

The only one I can think of is The Dark Knight (I know, it's not really gaming, whatever.)
As much as I love that movie, it's just littered with inconsistencies.
Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
When would he find time rig two entire boats?
How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars?
Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face?
And most importantly: Why is defeating ten henchmen single-handedly more difficult then a single person with a knife? Or a dog, for that matter?

EDIT: I found a gaming-related one:

Spoiler

If Isaac's wife, from Dead Space, is a product of his imagination: HOW COULD SHE HAVE OPENED A DOOR FOR HIM VIA A COMPUTER NETWORK?!

1. thats who he is in the comics his past is very inconsistent and they wanted to go along with that
2. who knows it never stated how long went by between segments, he also had quite a few followers
3. politeness maybe, maybe people just dont want to go up to him and say what happened to your face, thats just rude
4. because nobody knew anything about two face except for batman, the joker, the police captain guy( i cant remember his name) and his family, so they needed somebody to blame for what happened and they chose the vigilante
5. its all about skill

 

[sabbat]

If Isaac's wife, from Dead Space, is a product of his imagination: HOW COULD SHE HAVE OPENED A DOOR FOR HIM VIA A COMPUTER NETWORK?! [/spoiler]

Yeah, and for that matter, isn't there a simalar glaring plot hole in MGS2?

 

[Not-here-anymore]

The boat plan failed because batman stopped him. Most likely each detonator was set to blow both boats.

what I meant is, the people on both didn't choose the easy way out. The joker expected them to try to safe themselves by killing the people on the other boat, which they didn't do because they still trusted batman to fix things for them.

I still maintain that people had the detonators for their own boats anyway, just for the Joker's sick sense of humour.

Anyway, plot holes? Lost. 6 seasons of plot hole right there. Most of which are steadily being ignored. And I'm still going to watch it to the end.

 

[Mikkaddo]

My question is: HOW THE HELL DID THE JOKER DO THAT? Ozymandias on a time machine couldn't have devised such a perfectly executed plan!

the police, batman, and everyone else is predictable. This is the main reason he could pull it off Everything on jokers plan relied on everyone behaving like they're supposed to, it failed at the end because the people did something unexpected from jokers point of view

*buzz* incorrect. If you notice from his actual speech to Batman, NOTHING was actually not as he expected. All he expected them to do IS be chaotic. So by the literal evidence, the people on the boats disappointed him, but they still acted chaotic. And it's really no surprise, he filled a boat up with convicts, tells them they have the KEY to their safety if they just commit one more act of murder. Then gives a bunch of scared to HELL people the same key to freedom if they just commit what could easily be an act of "justice" on their part. What he was planning on is either one being the chaotic element at which point likely both boats were rigged to blow from one trigger. But as The Joker himself said everyone is one step away from being him. All it takes, is the RIGHT trigger to get that to happen.

The boats ended up being the wrong one sure, but if he'd gotten the truly perfect trigger even THEY would have gone psycho.

The Joker's plan failed because of Batman, but it succeeded just as much by making a brand new Psycho, AND making Batman, the ULTIMATE hero into a villain as well. (at least for that city) Because, as Joker says . . . "Inject . . . a little Anarchy." He said for himself he doesn't care about RULING the city . . . he just likes blowing shit up, and messing around with Batman's head and playing the deadly cat and mouse game with him is too much FUN to stop.

So I leave you with the Joker's own words "Wanna know how I got these scars?"

 

[bob-2000]

in the Fallout 3 Broken Steel DLC

Spoiler

if the enclave had their massive orbital strike already functioning and aiming at the Citadel, why the hell didn't they just fire the damn thing?

 

[Caligulove]

The only one I can think of is The Dark Knight (I know, it's not really gaming, whatever.)
As much as I love that movie, it's just littered with inconsistencies.
Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
When would he find time rig two entire boats?
How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars?
Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face?
And most importantly: Why is defeating ten henchmen single-handedly more difficult then a single person with a knife? Or a dog, for that matter?

EDIT: I found a gaming-related one:

Spoiler

If Isaac's wife, from Dead Space, is a product of his imagination: HOW COULD SHE HAVE OPENED A DOOR FOR HIM VIA A COMPUTER NETWORK?!

Your Dark Knight ones-
*1- He's fucking with everyone, no one knows how he got his scars, the idea is that he is practically an embodiment of chaos. The police even said they had NO WAY to identify anything about him when he was in custody, not even tags on his clothes- just a bunch of knives. He might not even remember how he got his scars, all the stories he tells are probably false though- just to fuck with people or possibly scare them right before he kills them

*2- If he could rig an entire hospital to blow to the ground (which itself is kind of stretching what I can believe) then two ships would be childs play, I think the better question is how he knew about their plan for the ship's passengers.

*3- The whole team was made up of his goons, remember the guy Dent interrogated in the alley?

*4- Harvey Dent was the White Knight, someone that stood for someone that WASN'T corrupt, who got things done closer to how they're properly done- which was a big deal in Gotham, since it's kind of permanently stuck in 80's NYC. If it was publicly revealed that he went crazy killing mobsters as his own vigilante.. it would tarnish that and people would have no example of how to get things done, legitimately. Kind of a stretch.

*5- wouldnt call it a plot hole, just a stretch of what's believable- but I guess I give you that one, besides an answer like, 'well that's more of a jab at all supervillains'

**That and I should say that by no means is the Dark Knight without plot holes. For me, I thought that the whole kidnapping a foreign national (one that was well connected, given that he said the cops in town were on his payroll) thing in the middle of the night in Hong Kong (HK), then to have him show up, quite publicly, in Gotham in their large scale trial against the mob... Even if he IS a criminal... did the people in Hong Kong suddenly FORGET about that crazy raid by the costumed guy? They talked about how China would never extradite a national, but I mean... Interpol didn't care about this? No one? Thought that would have caused a LITTLE BIT of a... problem, to say the least.

 

[azncutthroat]

Modern warfare 2 SPOILERS!

In response to all of the MW2 posts (although the whole story doesn't make a lot of sense) I would say that the major hole is that the attack on the airport even takes place. At the beginning of that mission your boss (the guy who betrays you in the end) tells you how hard it has been to get you secretly into Makarov's group thing and also how much of a total tosser Makarov is (i.e. already known to responsible for acts of genocide e.t.c.) so why don't you just shoot Makarov in the back of the head. I mean assuming you know that the attack is going to happen, and it must be pretty obvious when your rolling up to an airport with enough guns and ammunition to make Stalin blush, then any normal human being and especially a trained soldier would kill Makarov and his mates when the opportunity arose. I mean they don't need any evidence of Makarov doing something bad to order an assassination of him, they already know he's an enemy and this is a prime moment to kill him and save 100s of lives. Didn't make a lot of sense to me.

I assume you've never heard of the concept of "infiltration", "undercover agent", "immunity" or "sting operation"?

Yeah, and 90 percent of the time those infiltrations are meant to get to the leaders of the organization, and cause chaos within. What better way to do that then MURDER THE HEAD HONCHO AND HIS BEST MATES?

Sorry, but that part just made zero sense to me. And a ton of others who played the game. Defending it is just kinda irrational, looking at it purely as a story, its almost impossible to say it was actually well thought out, deep, engaging, or in other words all that decent in any way.

I'm doubting if you even played the game...

Spoiler

...because if you had, you would know that Pr. Allen was told that it was an infiltration mission while, in reality, it was just to get him on that particular terrorist attack so he could die and the Americans could be blamed.

If you had played the game, you would realize that it would be rather pointless to criticize the "infiltration" mission when it wasn't even about infiltrating Makarov in reality.

 

[thenoblitt]

Kingdom Hearts.

That's it

It's just really fucked up

explain