Forcing the player to die or sacrifice lives even though there were two companions in the game that rendered this completely unnecessary thanks to their immunity to radiation.
What's especially bad about is that each alignment could acquire a partner that is
immune to radiation. Fawkes is for the Good, Sergeant RL-3 is for the Neutral, and Charon is for the Evil. It was set up as if players were intended to have a chance at turning on the purifier with no loss of life, until someone decided the terrible ending would be better somehow.
The little RC Decepticon? Remember him? Well, after they went inside that one temple, HE DISAPPEARED FROM THE MOVIE. Seriously, just, poof. It aggravated me so much after I noticed it.
I didn't even notice that... We'll leave out the obvious points about there being plenty of stars they could have used other than the sun, the idea of baby robots, and the 'only a prime can defeat me' crap
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Gh0st1y_H said:
He wasn't part of the soldier parade. Watch the movie again. He has a schizophrenic take the shot.
Actually he was, there's a focus shot on him looking a bit disappointed about having missed killing the mayor. You can recognize him on the scars on his face.
There were several people tied up at "The Joker's apartment"; Joker had replaced most/all of the guard with his henchmen/retinue of crazies - a full 21 gun salute's worth of people took the shot, including the Joker himself
I hate going into movie discussions in a game thread, but I can't really think of any that haven't already been mentioned, so I'm gonna talk about a movie.
Memento. Now, I love this movie to death, but there is one big fat hole that I just don't really get. Don't worry this isn't much of a spoiler. If the last thing that Leonard remembers is his wife dying, then how does he remember that he has short-term memory loss? Seriously, he keeps yapping about his condition all the time, yet the last thing that came to his mind before being skull-fucked by his wife's murderer was having been slammed into a mirror. It doesn't make any sense to me though. Still love the movie though, despite that one inconsistency.
The idea is that through repetition and having the tattoos he would figure it out eventually. It's why he emphasises Sammy's failure to develop new memory through repetiton. If you read the short story "Memento Mori" which loosely acts as a back story to the film, it is implied that Leonard lived in a Mental Institute for sometime. Presumably he was there long enough for the Doctors to have given him the information through persistance.
I hate going into movie discussions in a game thread, but I can't really think of any that haven't already been mentioned, so I'm gonna talk about a movie.
Memento. Now, I love this movie to death, but there is one big fat hole that I just don't really get. Don't worry this isn't much of a spoiler. If the last thing that Leonard remembers is his wife dying, then how does he remember that he has short-term memory loss? Seriously, he keeps yapping about his condition all the time, yet the last thing that came to his mind before being skull-fucked by his wife's murderer was having been slammed into a mirror. It doesn't make any sense to me though. Still love the movie though, despite that one inconsistency.
Not to be soapbox'ing across the board but before this season most of the plot holes could be fairly easily explained. This season just fucked it all up.
If Isaac possessed any intelligence at all he could have just looked at the first letter of every chatper to see that "NICOLE IS DEAD" instead of being surprised by it later.
...And... Isaac sees the the chapter names... HOW?
I don't know if it counts as a plot hole, but it annoyed me that in Gears of War 2, during the battle with... that guy with the chainsaw staff, while your and his chainsaws are locked, Dom is just running around like a moron when he could just walk up and slice the enemy in two.
Ah yes, you are actually correct about that. I sort of vaguely remember a 6 second explanation about how they were working together.
Regardless, it was still a pretty shitty scenario. The whole thing was really terribly thrown together in the last 2 missions of the game, and didn't seem well concluded at all. Or introduced. Or maintained.
I DID play the game. I don't hate the game. I enjoy a few hours of the multiplayer every week, and the story mode was fun, if not really shitty story wise.
Oh, example? Well, the catalyst for the invasion of America is the terrorist attack in a Russian airport where there was one American corpse..... Okay.
To think that Russian security was so lax there that they didn't check the cameras to see who else was involved, or that American intelligencia wouldn't be out there doing a massive CYA job to prevent such an invasion from happening by their fault is lowbrow thinking at its utmost.
The entire plot for Modern Warfare 2 was one big facepalm after another.
Makarov is a TERRORIST FOR HIRE. Using American weapons and having an American body makes it look like the CIA funded and supported the "No Russian" terrorist attack (which the CIA is actually quite famous for, such as when the CIA supplied arms to Jihadists in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation and death squads in South American countries.). Also, the Russian government is run by the Ultranationalists, the antagonists of CoD4.
My problem with the scenario, and other similar ones, is that there is no way the USSR or any nation that could represent a plausible threat would be able to attack American Soil with any kind of speed. Things like "ACS modules" and "bypassing the American Early Warning system" miss one of the major reasons why the US is such a military power:
We pretty much own the oceans.
See, the US owns all these little islands all through both oceans, as well as maintaining a number of island nations like Guam, Samoa, Puerto Rico, etc... as Territories of the United States.
The thing is that we use these islands for logistics and security. The US having not only a large Navy, but the abillity to keep it constantly supplied and pretty much reach anywhere in the world is one of our major advantages. What's more we prevent other nations from using these same islands, and have made a good portion of the world dependant on the good will of the US when it comes to ocean travel. Allied nations and the UN heavily rely on the US infrastructure for their activities, and this is ALSO why an Embargo from the US is a big deal because we really can police shipping/trade if we choose to do so.... a short version, but that's the basic situation.
Simply put there are security protocols in place, and nobody is going to get a massive navy/military force to the US without it being noticed. Even if some systems were bypassed a bunch of Russians moving enough hardware to successfully give the US a headache from East to West, especially with a fictional "ultra megalomaniac" group in charge, just isn't going to happen.
The US's seperation from the rest of the world by the oceans, is one of the things that makes it so powerful, since the US can project it's power (and has been able to since World War II) but other nations cannot do so feasibly. This is also why those with an eye for such things are concerned about China's naval build up, which is theroized to reach the level of a viable threat to that infrastructure if it continues.
Also one of the things to consider is that Mexico largely acts as a buffer state (like it or not). We'd notice anything big enough to be a threat like this coming in from either ocean, and heading to any nation around here. The thing is though that anyone landing an army south of us is going to probably have to do it in South or Central America, and then get those troops through Mexico, and chances are that means they are going to be engaged there (by us, even if the Mexicans object). Basically they aren't getting onto US soil easily. Even if Canada somehow sold out, again we'd have plenty of warning before enough forces to launch a signifigant invasion could be brought there...
However getting the troops to the American continent isn't the only problem, you've also got to supply them, and that's where the US stranglehold on the oceans comes in. Chances are to launch a viable invasion FIRST someone is going to have to spend years and years fighting the US Navy and digging us out of all those islands, and there goes your "surprise attack".
All these massive military bases we have in places like Japan and Guam are there for a reason, and that's not counting the small little little island set ups we have.
Consider the Cuban Missle Crisis was basically because Russian ships were interdicted on their way to bringing missles into Cuba.... if anything it's gotten much harder since then.
Forcing the player to die or sacrifice lives even though there were two companions in the game that rendered this completely unnecessary thanks to their immunity to radiation.
Dying causes you to be instantly revived in the nearest VitaChamber, because you are close enough to Andrew Ryan's genetic code and he can use VitaChambers. When he commits suicide-by-player, his personal VitaChamber in his office is off. Presumably this was to make the point that Ryan doesn't give a toss anymore because his city has gone to Hell and there's nothing to be done so he wants to die. However, the game spawns you in the closest nearby VitaChamber. Since that one was off it would just mean he would be routed to the next closest chamber. So obviously Ryan spawned in a chamber just outside his office, then ran away before shit hit the fan with Fontaine.
Tldr: science happened in Bioshock, Andrew Ryan is still alive...?
The only one I can think of is The Dark Knight (I know, it's not really gaming, whatever.)
As much as I love that movie, it's just littered with inconsistencies.
Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars? Because he's a liar
When would he find time rig two entire boats? He might not have done it himself
How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars? Nobody looks at the face of a soldier when they are marching in formation, not even the soldiers next to him.
Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face? To protect Harvey Dent's legacy.
And most importantly: Why is defeating ten henchmen single-handedly more difficult then a single person with a knife? Or a dog, for that matter? It's a matter of sheer numbers, it's harder to make sure that one of the 10 doesn't get behind you and grab you so the other 9 can hand you a beating.
EDIT: I found a gaming-related one:
If Isaac's wife, from Dead Space, is a product of his imagination: HOW COULD SHE HAVE OPENED A DOOR FOR HIM VIA A COMPUTER NETWORK?!
OT: Not gaming related but it's related to The Matrix
How the hell did Neo get superpowers in the real world? He had his eyes burned out of their sockets but he could still see Agent Smith. The only possible explanation is that either they were still plugged into the Matrix and didn't know it, or the Wachowski Brothers just said "Fuck it," and I'm going with the second...
That and any movie or video game involving any form of time travel at all.
I believe the idea is that Neo is basically a Telemechanic/Electrokinetic type. What he was doing was basically psychicly commanding the VR machine so he didn't have to play by the rules at all. Even the programs he was fighting had to follow certain rules, they could just change them, or assign themselves ridiculous abillities. Sort of like playing a video game.. if the designer programs it the right way he can make the program impossible to win. However someone who telepathically commands the machine... well.
I think the problem was that they really needed to explain certain concepts in the movie better. However consider that had Neo not had anything special about him outside of the Matrix, someone would eventually have made the same connections I did, and start asking why if he could command the VR machines (basically) he couldn't do things with OTHER machines.
Now the big problem I had with "The Matrix" was that things were relying on increasingly unlikely turns of events to justify the storyline. For example when you had the entire "meatspace" thing with Smith, his major action is pretty much to stop Zion's fleet of ships by setting off one of the EMP bombs. If he had not done this, chances are Zion would have wiped out The Machines all on their own (a point I might mention that The Machines never seem to acknowlege in all of their ranting. They pretty much only survived due to dumb luck. Their master plan had already effectively failed). The thing is that I find it hard to believe that one dude could have done that much damage that way, one would have expected that any coordinated fleet like this would be prepared for what amounts to a munitions misfire (albiet this time done intentionally).
I don't think The Matrix suffers from plot holes, as much as really bad writing.
Oh, example? Well, the catalyst for the invasion of America is the terrorist attack in a Russian airport where there was one American corpse..... Okay.
To think that Russian security was so lax there that they didn't check the cameras to see who else was involved, or that American intelligencia wouldn't be out there doing a massive CYA job to prevent such an invasion from happening by their fault is lowbrow thinking at its utmost.
The entire plot for Modern Warfare 2 was one big facepalm after another.
Makarov is a TERRORIST FOR HIRE. Using American weapons and having an American body makes it look like the CIA funded and supported the "No Russian" terrorist attack (which the CIA is actually quite famous for, such as when the CIA supplied arms to Jihadists in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation and death squads in South American countries.). Also, the Russian government is run by the Ultranationalists, the antagonists of CoD4.
Hahahahah "having an American body makes it look like the CIA funded and supported the "No Russian" terrorist attack". Yeah, because all americans have "made in the USA" and all CIA agents have "employee of the CIA" tattooed on them so people can identify them from their bodies. Wait no.
The idea that the Russians would ignore the notorious Russian terrorist who makes no attempt to hide his identity and who has had a history of any terrorism with no previous ties to the US and instead figure the US did it based on a body with no identification. And then decide to invade the US in retaliation. It's stupid, period.
not sure if this is actually a "plot hole" but it bothered me:
After the joker drops maggie g from the penthouse (during the party), batman saves her but we never find out what the joker did afterwards...did he go back in and continue partying or what?
Oh, example? Well, the catalyst for the invasion of America is the terrorist attack in a Russian airport where there was one American corpse..... Okay.
To think that Russian security was so lax there that they didn't check the cameras to see who else was involved, or that American intelligencia wouldn't be out there doing a massive CYA job to prevent such an invasion from happening by their fault is lowbrow thinking at its utmost.
The entire plot for Modern Warfare 2 was one big facepalm after another.
I'd say 'this' many times over. In fact it even shows you how easy it is to invade the US in Infinity ward's heads.
"Hey, I'm picking up around 100 to a possible fuckload of Russian based Aircraft that have got through the last 400 miles or so of radar, are you picking them up too?"
"Well, yeah it's on the screen but surely they can't all be Russian planes, I mean, that would be silly right?"
"Oh well, fucked on the both of us all 900 planes just opened fire on the West Coast..."
It just baffled me how ALL those planes just sort of went...poof! And appeared all over the US like a dirty rash. Score 1 for top-notch hardware.
The only one I can think of is The Dark Knight (I know, it's not really gaming, whatever.)
As much as I love that movie, it's just littered with inconsistencies.
Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
When would he find time rig two entire boats?
How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars?
Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face?
And most importantly: Why is defeating ten henchmen single-handedly more difficult then a single person with a knife? Or a dog, for that matter?
the joker is insane, he just likes to mess with people,
he has a number of goons that could have rigged the boats then given him the remotes
he, uh....
batman is taking the heat for two-face because harvey dent was the person representing the good in gotham, he didn't want that to end
and the joker has a death wish PLUS 4 dogs would be a pretty big disctaction seeing as how they sorta blended in, where as those goons would have been easier to keep track of
The only one I can think of is The Dark Knight (I know, it's not really gaming, whatever.)
As much as I love that movie, it's just littered with inconsistencies.
Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
When would he find time rig two entire boats?
How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars?
Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face?
And most importantly: Why is defeating ten henchmen single-handedly more difficult then a single person with a knife? Or a dog, for that matter?
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Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
Easily explained by the fact that he's insane, as he's supposed to be. Possibly the same condition Eric Cartman has, his memories may be easily replaced by imagination. When would he find time rig two entire boats?
He had many, many henchmen, as seen by the construction site hostage scene alone. How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars? The only possible plot hole here, although Joker being there didn't mean much anyway. He could've easily been replaced by another of his henchmen and there wouldn't be a slight difference, apart from showing off his infiltration skills. Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face? Because if people found out Harvey wasn't as good as he was, the police and everyone else would have lost what little respect and support they had. Of course, this is playing with comic-logic a bit, but it isn't really that far fetched. And most importantly: Why is defeating ten henchmen single-handedly more difficult then a single person with a knife? Or a dog, for that matter? Because it's supposed to be? I realise you meant it the other way around though. This is just the way movies (at least most of them) work. The main villain has to have a big fight with the protagonist in the end. Which part were you referring, anyway? Because Joker didn't seem 'overpowered' during either of the fights, he was just more prepared than his goons.
Yes, I've seen this movie a *cough* couple of times, don't judge me.
Oh, example? Well, the catalyst for the invasion of America is the terrorist attack in a Russian airport where there was one American corpse..... Okay.
To think that Russian security was so lax there that they didn't check the cameras to see who else was involved, or that American intelligencia wouldn't be out there doing a massive CYA job to prevent such an invasion from happening by their fault is lowbrow thinking at its utmost.
The entire plot for Modern Warfare 2 was one big facepalm after another.
Makarov is a TERRORIST FOR HIRE. Using American weapons and having an American body makes it look like the CIA funded and supported the "No Russian" terrorist attack (which the CIA is actually quite famous for, such as when the CIA supplied arms to Jihadists in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation and death squads in South American countries.). Also, the Russian government is run by the Ultranationalists, the antagonists of CoD4.
My problem with the scenario, and other similar ones, is that there is no way the USSR or any nation that could represent a plausible threat would be able to attack American Soil with any kind of speed. Things like "ACS modules" and "bypassing the American Early Warning system" miss one of the major reasons why the US is such a military power:
We pretty much own the oceans.
See, the US owns all these little islands all through both oceans, as well as maintaining a number of island nations like Guam, Samoa, Puerto Rico, etc... as Territories of the United States.
The thing is that we use these islands for logistics and security. The US having not only a large Navy, but the abillity to keep it constantly supplied and pretty much reach anywhere in the world is one of our major advantages. What's more we prevent other nations from using these same islands, and have made a good portion of the world dependant on the good will of the US when it comes to ocean travel. Allied nations and the UN heavily rely on the US infrastructure for their activities, and this is ALSO why an Embargo from the US is a big deal because we really can police shipping/trade if we choose to do so.... a short version, but that's the basic situation.
Simply put there are security protocols in place, and nobody is going to get a massive navy/military force to the US without it being noticed. Even if some systems were bypassed a bunch of Russians moving enough hardware to successfully give the US a headache from East to West, especially with a fictional "ultra megalomaniac" group in charge, just isn't going to happen.
The US's seperation from the rest of the world by the oceans, is one of the things that makes it so powerful, since the US can project it's power (and has been able to since World War II) but other nations cannot do so feasibly. This is also why those with an eye for such things are concerned about China's naval build up, which is theroized to reach the level of a viable threat to that infrastructure if it continues.
Also one of the things to consider is that Mexico largely acts as a buffer state (like it or not). We'd notice anything big enough to be a threat like this coming in from either ocean, and heading to any nation around here. The thing is though that anyone landing an army south of us is going to probably have to do it in South or Central America, and then get those troops through Mexico, and chances are that means they are going to be engaged there (by us, even if the Mexicans object). Basically they aren't getting onto US soil easily. Even if Canada somehow sold out, again we'd have plenty of warning before enough forces to launch a signifigant invasion could be brought there...
However getting the troops to the American continent isn't the only problem, you've also got to supply them, and that's where the US stranglehold on the oceans comes in. Chances are to launch a viable invasion FIRST someone is going to have to spend years and years fighting the US Navy and digging us out of all those islands, and there goes your "surprise attack".
All these massive military bases we have in places like Japan and Guam are there for a reason, and that's not counting the small little little island set ups we have.
Consider the Cuban Missle Crisis was basically because Russian ships were interdicted on their way to bringing missles into Cuba.... if anything it's gotten much harder since then.
You're overall problem is that you are taking a fucking video game too seriously. This is a video game, not a fucking documentary and not a fucking Pentagon war strategy simulation.
Unlike a documentary or war simulation, players need a certain amount of suspension of belief to play video games. We know that it's impossible for soldiers to heal over time if their not damaged, but we accept that's how it works in the game. We know that soldiers aren't deployed for the sole purpose of capturing an enemy's flag as many times as possible.
Likewise, we know that a Russian invasion of the US is improbable. BUT THAT'S PART OF THE FUN OF A VIDEO GAME. So stop taking a video game so fucking seriously.
Edit: While it's your right to criticize MW2's plot, it's also my right to criticize your opinion.
Why are you getting so bent out of shape when people point out plotholes in a thread about plotholes? Yeah it's quite possible to ignore the plot and enjoy the game despite its glaring flaws, but that's not the point of this thread, is it?
You're overall problem is that you are taking a fucking video game too seriously. This is a video game, not a fucking documentary and not a fucking Pentagon war strategy simulation.
Unlike a documentary or war simulation, players need a certain amount of suspension of belief to play video games. We know that it's impossible for soldiers to heal over time if their not damaged, but we accept that's how it works in the game. We know that soldiers aren't deployed for the sole purpose of capturing an enemy's flag as many times as possible.
Likewise, we know that a Russian invasion of the US is improbable. BUT THAT'S PART OF THE FUN OF A VIDEO GAME. So stop taking a video game so fucking seriously.
Edit: While it's your right to criticize MW2's plot, it's also my right to criticize your opinion.
Yeah here's the problem with that - we're dealing with a realistic game that throws realism out the window. MW1 had an incredibly realistic story and it really drew me into it even though I was hellbent on not enjoying myself. MW2 is more of a Hollywood action movie - just shut off your brain and watch the big bada booms. It's going to cause plenty of complaints since it just feels out of synch with the previous game.
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I realise you meant it the other way around though. This is just the way movies (at least most of them) work. The main villain has to have a big fight with the protagonist in the end. Which part were you referring, anyway? Because Joker didn't seem 'overpowered' during either of the fights, he was just more prepared than his goons.
