Most Obvious Plot Holes (spoilers ahoy!)

[kickyourass]

Equilibrium,

Spoiler: spoilers go here

He's the very, very best yet he can't go ONE DAY without his proseum? Also, why didn't anyone ever question his obvious emotional reactions (His partner was shot for reading a book, and the Preston character is on the verge of an emotional breakdown for half the movie). Or how did the not find his fingerprints on the guns he used to kill several soldiers without wearing gloves while he used them? Not to mention the obvious 1984 themes, but that's a different discussion al together.

I've really no clue as to why people stand that movie.

 

[Gibbo1489]

MW2 SPOILERS!

OK so first of all what is the point of your INFILTRATION to this group of terrorists? Now admittedly if we take the rest of the game into account then it was the overarching scheme of the military commander to set you up in the airport and provide the spark for the Russian invasion but he was unlikely to tell you this so we the simplest option would be that you were told that the government wanted a man on the inside of his operation.

Also I'm quite aware that you are an UNDERCOVER AGENT, but that doesn't mean you sit on your arse not doing anything, its exactly these kind of attacks that you would be expected to stop by being an UNDERCOVER AGENT. And the phrase STING OPERATION usually involves catching someone buying or handling an illegal item but due to the fact that you have documented intelligence of Makarov's activities you don't really need to catch him doing anything to justify his assassination.

Why are you criticizing the presumed sting operation when you already know it was a conspiracy?

Unless you're here to jump on the MW2 hate wagon?

I'm criticising it due to the fact that it is a plot hole, i.e. what the thread was about. I am saying that the actual undercover agent himself and any one else who knew of the operation would order the assassination of Makarov before the event and therefore the rest of the story would not happen.

However I don't hate MW2, it's a good game but the story is flawed. And while I didn't expect a 'welcome mat' it doesn't make much sense to argue your point by implying that the other person lacks intelligence, it usually smacks of someone who has exasperated their other arguments.

 

[JaredXE]

It gets a little complicated - partly because when the Oracle explains something, she explains it a way that Neo will understand but the audience rarely do.

Looking about a bit though, the idea is that Neo was created to counter the tiny population that rejected the Matrix. When he was supposed fulfill the Path of the One (which he didn't because he went to save Trinity) it does something to momentarily make the Matrix accepted by 100% of the population, allowing for a "system reboot". If they couldn't reboot, then the Matrix would essentially crash and kill all the humans.

Neo therefore is basically a System Administrator inside the Matrix, meaning he's linked to the Source (which is the mainframe for both the Matrix and the machine city I think). As he's linked to the Source, he's linked to all the machines as well, which allows him to make them all spontaneously combust. Whether that mean's he's 100% human or not I don't know.

As for his "blind-sight" power, I think he can only see things related to the machines (he sees the fields and pipelines in the machine city but can't see anything when they go above the clouds). When he sees Bane, he sees him as Smith because he's gone from the Matrix to the real world. He can't see Trinity when they crash because she's not related to the machines (and unlike Smith-Bane she goes from the read world to the Matrix).

I think that's about it - they really don't spend enough time on it in the films, and I've theorised a little bit.

Actually when the Oracle and the Architect explain the existance of Zion and it's purpose, I always thought that that was a huge plot hole. So lemme get this straight, you can't fool 100% of the people....I get that. So you 'allow' these dissidents to wake up, form a rebellion, gather in one place and then kill them all and start the whole cycle over again.

Why not just kill them? I mean, why allow them to gather and forment rebellion when you could cut off their feeding tubes in those pods and just kill the few thousand or so that don't accept the Matrix. No need for a Neo, no need for a Zion, no small chance that your plans could fail.

THAT is how a logical AI would think of a solution.

 

[Akihiko]

The Heavy Rain Scott Shelby one that a lot of people have mentioned can somewhat be explained...

Spoiler

...by the fact that the camera does swap perspective to the woman who's with you(Forget her name...) while the murder is happening, also the clock chimes too, which would drown out any sound. One could argue that Scott could have quickly ran into the back during that time, to kill the typewriter guy.

That said, Heavy Rain is by no means without plot holes.

Spoiler

The fact that Ethan Mars had dreams of the murder scenes, while holding an origami figure, was a key plot point in the beginning of the game. However, was seemingly forgotten and ignored by the end, consequently going unexplained.

 

[Crispee]

Harry Motherf*ckin Potter

Last Book

Harry has been (apparantly) killed by Voldemort. Voldemort doesn't want to fall for the same trick twice, and decides to send someone over to check the corpse for signs of life...

Who Does He Send?

Option No. 1 - Bellatrix Whatsherface Bonar Carter. Hot Goth Chick Woman, basically. Fanatically loyal, hates Harry to the core, will instantly and happily murder Harry if he IS alive, and will never betray/lie to Voldy.

Option No. 2 - Mrs. Malfoy, the mother of the child Voldermort has been manipulating, abusing and enslaving. A woman who hates Voldemort more than anything, and one whom Voldy dosen't know that well. She could quite easily betray Voldemort in the hope of Harry saving Malfoy.

He picks No. 2

She goes over, finds Harry is alive, asks him if Malfoy is alive, lies to voldemort and says Harry's dead.

Voldemort belives her and picks up Harry with his wand. Even if she HAD been telling the truth, Voldey has neglected to check himself, especially considering the boy in question is now hovering a foot above his head and is very easy to just check for a pulse or something.

It was a needlessly long and drawn-out book beforehand, but afterwards it was just plain stupid.

Wasn't Bellatrix in the castle at the time fighting a few other people at the time?

And I think the reason that he didn't put too much care into seeing if he was alive was the same reason he didn't simply kill Harry on the spot during their previous numerous encounters, because he believes he is superior to everyone else and that everything would work out for him in the end, so he believed there was no question of if he was alice or not.

 

[Deviltongue]

*Snip*

Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
The Joker is a pathological liar, add in the fact that he probably suffers from Anti-Social personality disorder and the son of a ***** is inclined to lie about pretty much everything.

When would he find time rig two entire boats?
There was a scene before that one where he stole the mob's henchmen from them remember?

How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars?
Cuz he's just that awesome.

Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face?
The kid asks the exact same question at the end of the movie... watch the movie.

And most importantly: Why is defeating ten henchmen single-handedly more difficult then a single person with a knife? Or a dog, for that matter?
The joker is actually skilled in Hand to hand combat. He just doesn't go around beating people up because he likes to find more creative ways to kill them. Add in the fact that batman had dogs biting his dick and that would create a very difficult fight.

Anymore questions?

 

[Z(ombie)fan]

Bioshock:

Spoiler

Dying causes you to be instantly revived in the nearest VitaChamber, because you are close enough to Andrew Ryan's genetic code and he can use VitaChambers. When he commits suicide-by-player, his personal VitaChamber in his office is off. Presumably this was to make the point that Ryan doesn't give a toss anymore because his city has gone to Hell and there's nothing to be done so he wants to die. However, the game spawns you in the closest nearby VitaChamber. Since that one was off it would just mean he would be routed to the next closest chamber. So obviously Ryan spawned in a chamber just outside his office, then ran away before shit hit the fan with Fontaine.

Tldr: science happened in Bioshock, Andrew Ryan is still alive...?

HAHA! thats a hilarious point! he just makes you teleport him out of there.

or something...

EDIT: actually, why are there respawn chabers ALL OVER THE CITY, when there is, what, two people capable of their use?

 

[Herr Wozzeck]

Heavy Rain.. I don't know how to do the spoiler boxes so um.. SPOILER

Spoiler

The whole thing with Ethan blacking out and waking up near the murder site of the kids, while holding an origami figure. This is never, ever, explained and stops even being mentioned in the last third of the game.

Also, if you can the thoughts of the character you play as, how come when you play as Scott his thoughts are always treated like he doesn't know who the killer is, despite he himself being the killer. I can understand why you wouldn't want him to be thinking something like 'Oh shit, she's on to me that I drowned her kid', but surely there must have been a way to get around that.

And thirdly, what's with the men in balaclavas who attack Madison in her dream sequence, and who she has visions of in one of the 'bad' endings.

And really, what police department just freaking opens fire on a man who has not even been proven to be guilty of the murders.

Seriously, the writing in that game was so lazy.

[ spoiler ] *text goes here* [ /spoiler ]. Take out the spaces, and there you go.

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-It is postulated on at one point, but after that it's never explained. I'd say it's the game's most annoying plot hole. What the hell was going on, Ethan?
-Actually, they did get around that, just not in the way I assume you expected; some of Scott's thoughts have a disturbing double meaning on subsequent playthroughs. I can think of one example from the scene in Manfred's shop that illustrates this: "I'm afraid I'll disappoint her."
-Probably some kind of running motif: Madison has a penchant for running into other criminals while hunting down serial killers, as Adrian Baker and Paco in the main game and Leland White in the DLC The Taxidermist show. Possible explanation for that, but not the baclava men themselves. It would have been nice to get an explanation in that game, but I hold out hope that Cage will at least address it in a future DLC episode.
-Er... I wouldn't call that a plot hole, so much as one guy being an unreasonable dick. It is handwaved by the fact that they're extremely tired of the media harping on them at that point (Perry and Blake both make rather... uncouth comments about the media at the beginning of the game when you first meet them with Norman). So it could be that Blake and Perry just want to get someone convicted rather than the perpetrator to give them even a brief respite from the media. That said, though, it doesn't excuse their behavior, as even Norman points out that they'll get laughed out of court with their methods of getting a confession out of Ethan. I'm probably wrong on that. But no matter the case, the fact remains that it wouldn't qualify as a plot hole since it's really only a fault in logic.

 

[mad825]

The original Fallout 3 ending:

Spoiler

Forcing the player to die or sacrifice lives even though there were two companions in the game that rendered this completely unnecessary thanks to their immunity to radiation.

That's not even a plot hole, that's really just a moral choice if you wanted to you can send FAWKS (if you have him) to go and activate the purifier...and you don't die

Actually when you ask him too he says somthing like

"this is your fate not mine"

when you ask CHaron (a character who is healed by radiation, and is bound by contract to do whatever you say) he says somthing like

"there are a lot of things i will do for you, this isnt one of them"

either you have to go in, or lyons does

yea...

I remebered that's in the Broken Steel add-on (also because another user reminded me),~I've had the add-on for so long that I have forgotten the original ending

 

[twistedmic]

Bioshock:

Spoiler

Dying causes you to be instantly revived in the nearest VitaChamber, because you are close enough to Andrew Ryan's genetic code and he can use VitaChambers. When he commits suicide-by-player, his personal VitaChamber in his office is off. Presumably this was to make the point that Ryan doesn't give a toss anymore because his city has gone to Hell and there's nothing to be done so he wants to die. However, the game spawns you in the closest nearby VitaChamber. Since that one was off it would just mean he would be routed to the next closest chamber. So obviously Ryan spawned in a chamber just outside his office, then ran away before shit hit the fan with Fontaine.

Tldr: science happened in Bioshock, Andrew Ryan is still alive...?

HAHA! thats a hilarious point! he just makes you teleport him out of there.

or something...

EDIT: actually, why are there respawn chabers ALL OVER THE CITY, when there is, what, two people capable of their use?

Maybe each chamber has a set range, and if you die outside of that range you don't get revived. If that's the case, it would only make sense to have dozens of chambers spread out over the city to insure that no matter where you go in the city, you'll be in range of a chamber.

 

[Zorg Machine]

Kingdom Hearts.

That's it

It's just really fucked up

Speaking of which, how was Organization XIII evil in the first place?

They ask this question in the end.

Spoiler

-Xemnas. Why do you fight us, we who are shunned by both light and darkness?

-Riku. It's because you mess up our worlds.

In other words, they are evil because they spend their time turning people into heartless so they can manipulate their bodies.

Also, the other half of No. 1 screwed up the universe and this half is more powerful.

 

[thethingthatlurks]

Ok, how about something other than MW2 or berating the poor kid over not understanding Dark Knight?
So, my favourite movie of all time:

Spoiler: Fight Club

How in the hell did the nameless protagonist remain alive, after apparently not having slept in weeks? I mean, when he's supposedly asleep, Tyler takes over, hence no rest. And Tyler was busy with Project Mayhem, and setting up other Fight Clubs all over the place...
Don't get me wrong, I usually ignore these things, because the story is so great, but when it comes to plot holes...

 

[Casual Shinji]

God of War 3

Spoiler

Athena tells Kratos the reason Zeus was so obsessed with killing him was that he was overcome by the evils released by Pandora's box. Really? It wasn't because Kratos was being a douche and killing everything just like Ares? Not to mention Athena clearly stated in God of War 2 that Zeus wanted to end the whole "son killing father" trend. I interpret this to be a sad attempt to make Kratos look like a hero.

The funny thing is that if Zeus hadn't tricked Kratos into giving up his godly power and become mortal in GoW2, Kratos would've never have gone all apeshit with vengeance. The Gods can't directly wage war on eachother so if they had left Kratos as the God of War, he wouldn't have been able to do a damn thing agaist Zeus or Olympus. Zeus could've figured out a way to nutralize Kratos while at the same time let him keep is status as a God. Afterall, they did the same with Ares.

Spoiler: What I'm wondering is...

What happened to the power of the Fates that Kratos acquired in GoW2? You don't hear anything about in GoW3, did it just vanish or what? Then again, maybe the power dissapeared because the temple of the Fates collapsed at the end of the game.
And while we're at it, why didn't he use that power to change the fate of his wife and daughter? You could argue that at that point he's become so blind with vengeance that all he can think about is the death of Zeus, but then he could've atleast used the power of the Fates to kill Zeus when he was still a baby.

Also, one major screw up in GoW3 is when Kratos cuts his way out of Cronos' stomach spilling his guts, but when you see a wide shot of Cronos later on his guts have magically disappeared.

Still, an awesome series, though.

 

[Disaster Button]

Dead Space had a pretty unforgivable one.

Spoiler

If Isaac possessed any intelligence at all he could have just looked at the first letter of every chatper to see that "NICOLE IS DEAD" instead of being surprised by it later.

Fool.

yeah, because you know, he cuold just press start and open up the menu to choose which chapter he wanted to play. Its obvious for us, but I dont think Isaac had any way of seeing that himself.

Dead Space had a pretty unforgivable one.

Spoiler

If Isaac possessed any intelligence at all he could have just looked at the first letter of every chatper to see that "NICOLE IS DEAD" instead of being surprised by it later.

Fool.

Since when does the main character know that they are in a game much less what the chapters are called

I am very disappointed in both of you that you didn't even once consider that I was speaking ironically.

 

[psivamp]

Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
[...]
How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars?
[...]
Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face?

He tailors the story of how he got his scars to the person he's talking to -- yes, I realize I'm probably the umpteenth person to point this out, this thread wasn't interesting enough to keep reading all the way through.

You may have noticed that EVERYONE in that honor guard had been replaced with the Joker's own henchmen. Also, he wore makeup so it was less obvious from a distance, and no one looks at the people in the honor guard, they aren't the focus of the event.

The reason Batman takes the heat for Two-Face is blatantly and explicitly given to you by the film, there's no subtlety there.

 

[Malkavian]

The only one I can think of is The Dark Knight (I know, it's not really gaming, whatever.)

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Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
Easily explained by the fact that he's insane, as he's supposed to be. Possibly the same condition Eric Cartman has, his memories may be easily replaced by imagination.

Didn't the comics say he is too much sane and the only way to cope with this is to end up like he did.

The Comics say a lot of things about the joker, but the one certain thing is that nothing about him is certain. He is insane beyond compare (or, as you yourself point out, in fact super-sane). Which is why nothing is really known about his origins - he most likely doesn't even know himself.

 

[thethingthatlurks]

Ok, how about something other than MW2 or berating the poor kid over not understanding Dark Knight?
So, my favourite movie of all time:

Spoiler: Fight Club

How in the hell did the nameless protagonist remain alive, after apparently not having slept in weeks? I mean, when he's supposedly asleep, Tyler takes over, hence no rest. And Tyler was busy with Project Mayhem, and setting up other Fight Clubs all over the place...
Don't get me wrong, I usually ignore these things, because the story is so great, but when it comes to plot holes...

He probobly caught bits of sleep occasionally, maybe an hour per night or so. Plus as the doctor says "no, you can't die from insomnia."

You're right, I completely forgot about the doctor at the beginning. Some quite nice foreshadowing, no?

 

[Malkavian]

Ok, how about something other than MW2 or berating the poor kid over not understanding Dark Knight?
So, my favourite movie of all time:

Spoiler: Fight Club

How in the hell did the nameless protagonist remain alive, after apparently not having slept in weeks? I mean, when he's supposedly asleep, Tyler takes over, hence no rest. And Tyler was busy with Project Mayhem, and setting up other Fight Clubs all over the place...
Don't get me wrong, I usually ignore these things, because the story is so great, but when it comes to plot holes...

He probobly caught bits of sleep occasionally, maybe an hour per night or so. Plus as the doctor says "no, you can't die from insomnia."

You're right, I completely forgot about the doctor at the beginning. Some quite nice foreshadowing, no?

I just want to add to that his sleep pattern doesn't change when he meets Tyler. He did sleep beforehand, but it was rare. When he meets Tyler, the unnamed protagonist(popularly refered to as "Jack") tells us that he is "sleeping as a baby". These are the moments that Tyler takes over.

In reality, his sleep pattern is the same as before. So as Dormin points out, he most likely gets an hour now and then, just like before.

Consider what Jack says to the doctor about whether he might suffer from narcolepsia, by the way. "I nod off and wake up somewhere else, with no idea of how I got there." Another bit of foreshadowing right there.