How did they do that? They changed the Deception novel too and I didn't hear anything about that ruining the artistic integrity of books.Primus1985 said:
MovieBob's thoughts on the ME3 ending controversy
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If you write a story, you get to choose the ending. If you didn't write the story, don't whine about it ended.
This is the guy who got excited for Super Mario Land 3D.
He's either exaggerating everything he says for humor purposes or he's dipping into his fanboy rage, so take it with a grain of salt, eh? I mean setting back gaming a decade? Making coloring books when Bioware could be making the Mona Lisa? Really? The worst thing to happen since Sega stopped making consoles. That's just cute. He's either pulling your leg or he's got a bad case of nostalgia-blindness.
Either way I get the feeling there's a "Big Picture" episode in the near future where he rants about it for 5 minutes, chewing out the entire squad while the Gomer Pyle troll sits in the corner eating his jelly doughnut.
He's either exaggerating everything he says for humor purposes or he's dipping into his fanboy rage, so take it with a grain of salt, eh? I mean setting back gaming a decade? Making coloring books when Bioware could be making the Mona Lisa? Really? The worst thing to happen since Sega stopped making consoles. That's just cute. He's either pulling your leg or he's got a bad case of nostalgia-blindness.
Either way I get the feeling there's a "Big Picture" episode in the near future where he rants about it for 5 minutes, chewing out the entire squad while the Gomer Pyle troll sits in the corner eating his jelly doughnut.
I suppose in conjunction with the lack of public outcry surrounding Xe/505's "Blackwater" railshooter which set gaming as an art back by a decade last year, now we're 2 decades back, around 1981 or 1982. Unless, I missed any other official announcements of regression, in which case the gaming medium may have regressed to it's state of integrity as seen in '71 or '61.MovieBob said:
For serious, though... Maybe you're just venting, but you gotta mind how you phrase things. The same thing can be said without adopting a tone that makes you sound like you're broadcasting from the same station as Frank Miller. Furious hysteria rarely communicates effectively, even when intended as a 'wakeup call'.
Mediums endure:
Literature survived the fan demand resurrection of Sherlock Holmes. Movies have survived the Terry Gilliam Brazil US theatrical release and George Lucas' meddling. Music has survived the psychotically exploitative business empires that harnessed it and began to crack in the digital millenium.
Basically, I know that people and their collective fits can be exasperating, but as a fan of your work, I think you should try and moderate your tone when addressing contentious issues. You're at your best when you're informing and helping people laugh and learn and you're at your worst when you're raging, yourself.
FYI: I'm actually with you, Bob, that I don't think they should change the ending of ME3, but I don't begrudge the fact others want different execution or more closure.
Tolkien and many other writers have changed their books stories to fill in plot holes all the time, they are still considered art.
Fuck you movie bob. =_= I just lost a lot of respect for him...
Fuck you movie bob. =_= I just lost a lot of respect for him...
You might be pissed, sure. But that doesn't give you the right to demand that they change their work.anthony87 said:
The issue with the argument of "I put 150 hours into this game, so I have a say" is that games are a form of interactive storytelling. The operative word is storytelling. You only think that you have the ability to manipulate your environment, when in fact all you are doing is setting off "if/then" triggers. Your supposed control is really just an illusion.
When you look at it this way, you really have no stake in the story, or its ending. All you do is exist in a world created to tell you a story. And if you don't like how the story ends, too bad.
Few things are examined as closely, or criticised as thoroughly as art. Art isn't or shouldn't be a defense to criticism or inspection. If anything, it's an invitation. If people use it as a shield, they're wrong.Kasurami said:
However, art is dictated by the authorial mandate of its creator(s). Admirers of a piece of art should not possess editorial power over it. The problem with this whole ME3 debacle is that instead of people saying more reasonable things such as "We though the ending was bad, because of this or that.", they are saying things like "Jesus Christ, this ending is so horrendous, we want you to change it, and you should because you owe us because this is a product, we're the customer, and we don't like it."
This is also why it's disappointing to see Bioware potentially cave in. What's happening is that if they decide to change the ending, they are not doing so based on a discussion with the fans in which the fans demand nothing. Instead, they're changing it because of an incredibly vocal part of the community that outright demands changes to the ending.
I rarely post as I rarely have much to say but here goes;
Everyone in this thread is a child. It is a game and getting into a hissy fit about the last few minutes of the game is stupid. I've played many games with many terrible endings and to be honest Mass Effect's ending wasn't half as bad as some of them. It wasn't what I wanted and I am a bit annoyed that they didn't include a more diverse array of endings, but as upset as I am I would never even think for a moment to support the retake mass effect movement.
Bob is sort of an idiot, everyone here can more or less agree with that, but calm down. This isn't the end of the world. Go outside or something. Pick flowers, read a book, drink a beer. Just chill out, nothing good can come from such incredible anger toward Bioware. There are like a billion more important movements that you could be channeling that passion to help the real world. Do that instead, but dear god please calm down.
TLDR version:
Bob is dumb, you are dumb, I am dumb, Bioware is dumb. Clam down.
Everyone in this thread is a child. It is a game and getting into a hissy fit about the last few minutes of the game is stupid. I've played many games with many terrible endings and to be honest Mass Effect's ending wasn't half as bad as some of them. It wasn't what I wanted and I am a bit annoyed that they didn't include a more diverse array of endings, but as upset as I am I would never even think for a moment to support the retake mass effect movement.
Bob is sort of an idiot, everyone here can more or less agree with that, but calm down. This isn't the end of the world. Go outside or something. Pick flowers, read a book, drink a beer. Just chill out, nothing good can come from such incredible anger toward Bioware. There are like a billion more important movements that you could be channeling that passion to help the real world. Do that instead, but dear god please calm down.
TLDR version:
Bob is dumb, you are dumb, I am dumb, Bioware is dumb. Clam down.
Art doesn't exist, it's merely an adjective describing something having an effect on some people's emotions, it's not something that exists without humans. 50 Cent's Get Rich Or Dye Tryin' may not be art to you, but it's art to some.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Errr so he's unqualified to give his OPINION about it? I'm guessing the only qualification is that they say something you agree with.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
#1. You know because they treat game developers like parents and cry when they don't get what they want ignoring that if you didn't like something just don't buy it. #2 doesn't seem immature at all.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
It may have been angry, but your entire post is an insult too. While I agree Movie Bob isn't the most mature and open-minded person around, people insulting him for having an opinion thats contrary to theirs are even worse.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
I will quote what is probably the best summation of this whole thing I've read so far:Orthon said:
We were promised a specific thing for the ending. More importantly, we were promised that the ending wouldn't be the exact thing we got. People like me are pissed about this and want what we paid for.boag said:
Yeah I understand what you mean, I even agree when you say that we're just setting off "if/then" triggers but Mass Effect was built around the concept of things changing depending on what triggers you set off. Consider this:alandavidson said:
In Mass Effect 1, depending on which "if/then" triggers you set off a number of things can happen. The Council could be killed along with the Destiny Ascension being destroyed, the Alliance fleet could either suffer heavy losses against Sovereign or barely suffer any at all, depending on dialogue choices throughout the game you'd have to either face Saren in combat or you could convince him to take his own life as a form of redemption. Hell, if you're not careful one of your squadmates could turn on you, requiring you to kill them.
These things will carry over into Mass Effect 2 which will change facets of the game. Then we get into all the "if/then" triggers throughout that game that results in having some, none or ALL of your squad including Shepard killed during the final mission. This will then affect the characters you come across in Mass Effect 3 as well as your relationship with said characters and the further characters that they themselves would go onto interact with.
Then you've got Mass Effect 3 where all "if/then" triggers are ignored for the ending, the only key difference being the colour of the explosion. For a series that built itself around your choices having an outcome on the ending, only to then give the same ending whether you've played through all three games doing everything possible or only playing the third one from scratch and ignoring everything but the main story is just wrong.
Speaking only for myself, although I think many others would agree, the actual ending being bad isn't the main problem, although it certainly didn't help.alandavidson said:
What I'm really annoyed about is the fact that the ending we were given is not what we were told we would get by the developers, even after they had finished the game. Our questions were not answered, we were given no closure, and our decisions did not matter. I think, given that Bioware lied in order to convince myself and others to buy the game, we have a right to complain, and ask for what we were promised would come with the product.
The thing is dude, there are THOSANDS of people doing exactly that. Hell, in this thread alone there have been plenty of people calmly outlining what they didn't like about the ending and why they think it failed only to be met with a response of "STOP CRYING! STOP BEING ENTITLED! IT'S ART AND YOU JUST DON'T GET IT! YOU'RE NOT A TRUE FAN IF YOU THINK THAT! OH BUT ARTISTIC INTEGRITY MHWHABABLAHAH!"Orthon said:
....Okay I may have over-exaggerated a tad but my point is that there's loads of people who are upset with the ending and they've explained why, such as this:
[link]http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=15395[/link]
and this:
[link]http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/[/link]
Please have a look at those and try to understand we're not all idiots looking to go file a lawsuit.