Moving the New 360 Can Damage Disks

[Radelaide]

Doesn't common sense state that moving any console while the disc is spinning is stupid? Seriously. Why the HELL would you move a console while the disc is spinning?

 

[Mandal0re]

1.The original 360 did this.

2. Switching the console off before moving it is not difficult.

What im more interested in is whether its still so bloody loud. The disk reader+fan in the original 360 take the piss.

 

[Ridgemo]

This is about as much Microsoft's fault as it is Nintendo's fault for the people who launched their Wii-motes into their HDTVs.

 

[Darenus]

Yes, this is bad.
Yes, Microsoft should have lowered these risks.
Yes, this is indeed a bit more of a danger than the RRoD.
NO, THIS IS JUST COMMON 'EFFIN SENSE, TO NOT MOVE THE DAMN THING WHEN YOU ARE PLAYING!

Could ANYONE of you tell me of a reason why you would HAVE TO MOVE THAT THING when you are playing? What? Does your mom come that often into the room and wants to rage-vacuum the room while you play on the floor?

 

[Lemon Of Life]

Who cares? I'm not taking my Xbox for walks when it's running, so what's the big deal?

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

What kinda dumbass moves a console while playing, anyway?

I wouldn't even move the best built of all the consoles, the PS2, while it's reading a disc.

 

[Lukeydoodly]

Wow, it's almost like moving a sensitive piece of electronics that has a thin piece of plastic spinning at thousands of RPM is a bad idea or something...

I feel the need to quote this.

Seriously, what is everyone's problem? Why the hell would you be moving it in the first place?

 

[Volafortis]

But I enjoy re-aligning my console in the middle of gaming sessions (Lie.)

Honestly, I don't even mark his as an issue with the 360, because if you're dumb enough to encounter it, you deserve it. Who the hell would move something while it's spinning a disc extremely fast within a piece of electronic equipment?

 

[Lucane]

Though most people don't seem to share my opinion, I think this is a completely stupid move and a terrible design flaw. Of course, this isn't limited to MS, I'm fairly certain that the PS3 has the same problem.

Nope the Ps3 and Wii's Disc drives are fine for not scratching discs unless your doing something that would cause internal damage to the system itself but that goes without saying a disc may be damaged that way.

how often have you waited till the ps3 was spinning at its relatively low rpm, then up lifted it, put it in horizontal positon from vertical and wobbled it around?
I'm actually feeling to urge to try this, I'm take a ps3 game and make sure its running at its highest rpm then wobble the system around and such and see if it makes any noise.

I Haven't done it personally other than times I forgot a disc is inside when it's off, but there are several Youtube videos of others tipping a ps3 with a game inside to show how of uncommon scratching them is.

The second one has no audio though.​

 

[junkmanuk]

Go and buy gyroscope. This is not a flaw in the Xbox, it's a standard physics phenomenon found in devices that spin at high speed, DVD drives & hard drives are both affected and you shouldn't move ANY of these devices when turned on.

Even laptops, despite their locking spindles (a design feature intended because they are less stable), can't withstand excessive movement.

It's as dangerous simply to re-orient your drive as it is to exert a sudden force to it. The re-orientation is what causes the gryroscopic 'pull'...

 

[Volafortis]

Though most people don't seem to share my opinion, I think this is a completely stupid move and a terrible design flaw. Of course, this isn't limited to MS, I'm fairly certain that the PS3 has the same problem.

Nope the Ps3 and Wii's Disc drives are fine for not scratching discs unless your doing something that would cause internal damage to the system itself but that goes without saying a disc may be damaged that way.

how often have you waited till the ps3 was spinning at its relatively low rpm, then up lifted it, put it in horizontal positon from vertical and wobbled it around?
I'm actually feeling to urge to try this, I'm take a ps3 game and make sure its running at its highest rpm then wobble the system around and such and see if it makes any noise.

I Haven't done it personally other than times I forgot a disc is inside when it's off, but there are several Youtube videos of others tipping a ps3 with a game inside to show how of uncommon scratching them is.

The second one has no audio though.​

Wow, the one with sound, the guy is a serious noob. Even ignoring his fanboyism (tipped the 360 about 6 times, PS3 only 2), Guitar Hero World Tour was just a terrible game. It still doesn't explain why he's moving his consoles while running a game.

unless your doing something that would cause internal damage to the system itself but that goes without saying a disc may be damaged that way.

I personally would call moving a running console doing something along those lines. Certain things may have guards to prevent this, but you shouldn't expect it. Moving a running piece of electronics is a bad idea, regardless of what it is. If you think that bad things happening because you're an idiot is a design flaw, well, it further qualifies the statement that you may be, in fact, an idiot (Not you, anyone moving they're console). I've owned a 360 since 2006, a PS3 since 2009, and I had a Wii from 2008-2009, and I've always had some form of PC. I've never had a disc scratch, or any hardware issues of this sort. (My 360 has NEVER eaten a disc). It's because the 360 doesn't intentionally ruin discs. It's because stupid people and fanboys will search for any reason to try to berate a console, even if the cause of the issue is user error, not manufacturing defect.

 

[Lucane]

This is about as much Microsoft's fault as it is Nintendo's fault for the people who launched their Wii-motes into their HDTVs.

Even though the Nintendo Wii started day one with wrist straps and a million warnings everytime you start up a game about being safe and putting it on verus Mircosoft doing several hardware updates on the Xbox 360 before they made the 360slim that all shared the same flawed(sensitive) disc tray issue since the original model without ever having a single mandatory warning about it even if it was just the time you turn it on and it's the consumers fault both times?

 

[Lucane]

Though most people don't seem to share my opinion, I think this is a completely stupid move and a terrible design flaw. Of course, this isn't limited to MS, I'm fairly certain that the PS3 has the same problem.

Nope the Ps3 and Wii's Disc drives are fine for not scratching discs unless your doing something that would cause internal damage to the system itself but that goes without saying a disc may be damaged that way.

how often have you waited till the ps3 was spinning at its relatively low rpm, then up lifted it, put it in horizontal positon from vertical and wobbled it around?
I'm actually feeling to urge to try this, I'm take a ps3 game and make sure its running at its highest rpm then wobble the system around and such and see if it makes any noise.

I Haven't done it personally other than times I forgot a disc is inside when it's off, but there are several Youtube videos of others tipping a ps3 with a game inside to show how of uncommon scratching them is.

The second one has no audio though.​

Wow, the one with sound, the guy is a serious noob. Even ignoring his fanboyism (tipped the 360 about 6 times, PS3 only 2), Guitar Hero World Tour was just a terrible game. It still doesn't explain why he's moving his consoles while running a game.

Did you hear the one time it made the loud nosie when he moved it about 2 inches? that sort of thing could happen when someone bumps into the table/stand your 360 is placed on pets get to friendly with it or if you bump it with your hand reaching next to it in a close space and loose your footing or etc.

The reason for the video I'd wager is because when the 360 1st started getting alot of reports about it people claimed it most have been happening to PS3 games as well just as easily when it really doesn't.

 

[Volafortis]

This is about as much Microsoft's fault as it is Nintendo's fault for the people who launched their Wii-motes into their HDTVs.

Even though the Nintendo Wii started day one with wrist straps and a million warnings everytime you start up a game about being safe and putting it on verus Mircosoft doing several hardware updates on the Xbox 360 before they made the 360slim that all shared the same flawed(sensitive) disc tray issue since the original model without ever having a single mandatory warning about it even if it was just the time you turn it on and it's the consumers fault both times?

The 360 shipped with a flat bottom, allowing it to be placed on the ground evenly, without wobbling, or moving. Same logic as you used in your argument.

Seriously. It's even HARDER to cause the disc scratching to occur than a flying Wii-mote, seeing as how you need to PHYSICALLY MOVE your console. Unlike simply forgetting to attach a Wii-Mote strap. Yes. They both are the consumers' fault.

EDIT: Also, Microsoft does warn users in the Users' Manual, to place it evenly on a flat surface, and not to move the system while it is running. (Even though it should be common knowledge not to move the console, and if that isn't common knowledge, you should be reading the Users' Manual)

 

[Lucane]

The 360 shipped with a flat bottom, allowing it to be placed on the ground evenly, without wobbling, or moving. Same logic as you used in your argument.

Seriously. It's even HARDER to cause the disc scratching to occur than a flying Wii-mote, seeing as how you need to PHYSICALLY MOVE your console. Unlike simply forgetting to attach a Wii-Mote strap. Yes. They both are the consumers' fault.

So people shouldn't consider playing virtual baseball, bowling(where you basicly pretend to have a bat, baseball, or several pound bowling ball, sword or etc.)in the house as something to be careful of at all? The only people who shouldn't possibly be at fault for breaking something in the house with a Wii are ones who have never been told "No playing ball in the house"(a.k.a.) don't swing/throw around objects alot in small spaces.

On your other post after the Edit I ment Internal Damage as in when the console is dropped a couple feet to the ground not wether it's on or not when your switching between recommended standing positions.

 

[Volafortis]

The 360 shipped with a flat bottom, allowing it to be placed on the ground evenly, without wobbling, or moving. Same logic as you used in your argument.

Seriously. It's even HARDER to cause the disc scratching to occur than a flying Wii-mote, seeing as how you need to PHYSICALLY MOVE your console. Unlike simply forgetting to attach a Wii-Mote strap. Yes. They both are the consumers' fault.

So people shouldn't consider playing virtual baseball, bowling(where you basicly pretend to have a bat, baseball, or several pound bowling ball, sword or etc.)in the house as something to be careful of at all? The only people who shouldn't possibly be at fault for breaking something in the house with a Wii are ones who have never been told "No playing ball in the house"(a.k.a.) don't swing/throw around objects alot in small spaces.

On your other post after the Edit I ment Internal Damage as in when the console is dropped a couple feet to the ground not wether it's on or not when your switching between recommended standing positions.

Regardless of what you meant, tipping the console over is still essentially the same as dropping the console. You simply are only dropping one side, rather than the whole thing. It still results in a transfer of force within the console. Also, I'm going to re-iterate my old post: It has a flat bottom for a reason (that reason being so it doesn't wobble, tilt, and move around while in use). It also informs users hat moving the console is a BAD PRACTICE is the manual. Moving the console while it is in use is a mal-practice with the console; ergo it is the consumer's fault.

And any Wii user that flings a remote is at fault. I don't even see where you're pulling any argument there from. There was nothing in my post to imply that people aren't at fault if they haven't been told not to throw things in the house.

 

[Lucane]

~snip

Regardless of what you meant, tipping the console over is still essentially the same as dropping the console. You simply are only dropping one side, rather than the whole thing. It still results in a transfer of force within the console. Also, I'm going to re-iterate my old post: It has a flat bottom for a reason (that reason being so it doesn't wobble, tilt, and move around while in use). It also informs users hat moving the console is a BAD PRACTICE is the manual. Moving the console while it is in use is a mal-practice with the console; ergo it is the consumer's fault.

And any Wii user that flings a remote is at fault. I don't even see where you're pulling any argument there from. There was nothing in my post to imply that people aren't at fault if they haven't been told not to throw things in the house.

So people who are 99% careful with there systems who by complete unintentional means accidentlly have there 360 get nudged a few inches should have no recourse in getting a replacment disc(provided there was a surefire way to tell between accident and misuse) or chance of a newer 360 fixing the issue they could trade-in for while the Xbox's competitors have next to non-exsistant issues with the same thing?

Also all the systems are also marketed to be able to stand on thier sides as well as the bottom.

Edit: it was in the other post you quoted me on you qouted me once then edited in a second post of mine and commented on that but I didn't want to qoute that one just for that bit.

 

[Volafortis]

~snip

Regardless of what you meant, tipping the console over is still essentially the same as dropping the console. You simply are only dropping one side, rather than the whole thing. It still results in a transfer of force within the console. Also, I'm going to re-iterate my old post: It has a flat bottom for a reason (that reason being so it doesn't wobble, tilt, and move around while in use). It also informs users hat moving the console is a BAD PRACTICE is the manual. Moving the console while it is in use is a mal-practice with the console; ergo it is the consumer's fault.

And any Wii user that flings a remote is at fault. I don't even see where you're pulling any argument there from. There was nothing in my post to imply that people aren't at fault if they haven't been told not to throw things in the house.

So people who are 99% careful with there systems who by complete unintentional means accidentlly have there 360 get nudged a few inches should have no recourse in getting a replacment disc(provided there was a surefire way to tell between accident and misuse) or chance of a newer 360 fixing the issue they could trade-in for while the Xbox's competitors have next to non-exsistant issues with the same thing?

Also all the systems are also marketed to be able to stand on thier sides as well as the bottom.

Edit: it was in the other post you quoted me on you qouted me once then edited in a second post of mine and commented on that but I didn't want to qoute that one just for that bit.

I still don't see the bit you are talking about in regards to the Wii. Would you mind quoting it?

Also, a minor nudge will not cause the 360 to scratch discs. It needs to be tilted about 15 degrees before anything happens (Tested it with a friends old 360 when it was running into freezing issues and he had already bought an Elite to replace it), which will never happen due to accidental nudging when placed horizontally, and will only happen vertically if precariously placed on the edge of a counter where you can bump into it, to which I would say to lay it horizontally or find a better spot for it. Again, common sense should kick in here. Hell, I've been able to carefully move my 360 while it's running a DVD, as long as I don't tilt it. Everything was fine (was watching a movie, 360 was blocking someone's view).

I know that all consoles come with the ability to stand on both the side and the bottom. That doesn't change the fact that it implies that the console should remain stationary, rather than being tilted while running.

And sure, the are going to be some accidents, but a lot more of these are caused by people simply being morons. I would be so bold as to claim that under 2% of disc destroys caused by the 360 are legit accidents, and the remaining 98+% are caused by simple carelessness or stupidity on the users behalf.

 

[Ridgemo]

From what i saw, the guy in the video didnt just nudge it a few inches, he grabbed it and yanked it up to a vertical position.

I'm currently prodding my xbox 360 and the disc is fine. If however i was to go batshit crazy and start yanking it around, then if the disc scratches it's my fault.

However, i've put my xbox 360 in a safe place, where it can lie flat without being disturbed. Ergo i've never had a problem. If you put your Xbox/PS3/Wii in a place where theres a risk that it can be knocked over/kicked/yanked around thats also your fault for not taking due care.

This isn't a problem with Microsoft, it's retarded people that have no respect for their own property. Not my problem at all, i just think all this anti-fanboi rage against the 360 is hillarious.

 

[Lucane]

~snip

I still don't see the bit you are talking about in regards to the Wii. Would you mind quoting it?

This is about as much Microsoft's fault as it is Nintendo's fault for the people who launched their Wii-motes into their HDTVs.

Even though the Nintendo Wii started day one with wrist straps and a million warnings everytime you start up a game about being safe and putting it on verus Mircosoft doing several hardware updates on the Xbox 360 before they made the 360slim that all shared the same flawed(sensitive) disc tray issue since the original model without ever having a single mandatory warning about it even if it was just the time you turn it on and it's the consumers fault both times?

The 360 shipped with a flat bottom, allowing it to be placed on the ground evenly, without wobbling, or moving. Same logic as you used in your argument.

Seriously. It's even HARDER to cause the disc scratching to occur than a flying Wii-mote, seeing as how you need to PHYSICALLY MOVE your console. Unlike simply forgetting to attach a Wii-Mote strap. Yes. They both are the consumers' fault.

EDIT: Also, Microsoft does warn users in the Users' Manual, to place it evenly on a flat surface, and not to move the system while it is running. (Even though it should be common knowledge not to move the console, and if that isn't common knowledge, you should be reading the Users' Manual)

Sorry all the back and forward got me mixed up on which edit/post was which.In regards about why I said Wii users are at fault, I'm in agreement it's the users fault but not all 360 users are at fault for disc scratches.