MS, Apple, Blizzard, EA, WB and Disney ban all NY sex offenders

[Zakarath]

This does seem rather excessive and unnecessary.
Also, I'd rather have sex offenders playing games instead of having to think of, uh, other ways to spend their time

 

[targren]

Do you have sources that show how many people are on the sex offender list for trivial offenses?

Or are you just repeating some contrarian milquetoast pablum?

Ignoring your flaming ad hom...

Because registration requirements are overbroad in scope and overlong in duration, there are more than 600,000 registered sex offenders in the US, including individuals convicted of non-violent crimes such as consensual sex between teenagers, prostitution, and public urination, as well as those who committed their only offenses decades ago

If there is 1, then you have lost the moral high ground. The principle of "Better 99 guilty men go free than one innocent man go to the gallows" is woefully forgotten in this country, largely thanks to mindless, authoritarian serfs who are apparently incapable of questioning the government. Even more so when it infringes on some archaic, puritanical bullshit like "seeing a nipple will traumatize a child." It's like the useless morons have forgotten what nipples were actually created for.

 

[him over there]

Not to mention that you are now punishing the criminal AFTER their punishment has already been served (a reason I think the registry should just go away but that's a different argument).

Absolutely and why do we ONLY do this to sex offenders? I sometimes wonder why we treat sex crimes worse than murder.

Well, mostly because we're stupid.


I am not even joking. The only reason we impeach the civil rights of people we do not know and are grossly exaggerating in some cases is because we are scared of them and do not like them. We are stupid.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

This is kinda weird. Why are they punishing people beyond their court sentence?

Also, why only sex offenders? What about murderers?

Because hating on sex offenders is good for politics. Don't see how these types of things are constitutional. We, as a society, see sex offenders as more dangerous than murderers.

I mean you murder someone in cold blood, at least the person murdered dies and doesn't have to live with the consequences.

A child has to deal with that every day...

Like, sorry... I didn't use to feel this way, but the only thing this society asks of pedophiles is just don't fuck a kid and don't look at someone else fucking a kid. There is hentai, there are legal alternatives in the U.S. to get your kink off too with out harming anyone. It's so fucking easy to not cross that very clear line, there is absolutely no excuse for it. Lack of sex isn't a reason, plenty of us go stretches with out sex and we don't resort to rape. Self-control, they are proving they don't have it.

Also hey, trade off is they get a lighter jail sentence then murders.

There is no way that being molested is worse than not being alive at all. That's just societal programming talking.

wait what?

so theoretically, if you were rapist who then was raped while in prison,nearly beat to death, and was caught in a fire and was FUBAR due to burns, you'd rather live your life forever knowing all that, than to rather die?

please, go ask rape victims and others of serious trauma, they will probably tell you much different.

 

[RJ 17]

"Operation: Game Over". Heh got a decent chuckle out of that title.

As for do I agree with it? Ehhhhhhhh. I can see what they're protecting against, I agree with what they're wanting to do. But as a conservative I'm against most forms of governmental regulation. On the other hand when it comes to sex crimes, I believe - obviously this meaning what follows is opinion - that you can never be fully rehabilitated. You'll always have the urges to be naughty with people/things you shouldn't be naughty with. And if I had a young child that played on XBox live, I wouldn't want some jackass coming on the mic and asking my kid if he likes going to the gym and watching guys work out, or if he likes professional wrestling, or if he likes movies about gladiators.

Being a registered sex offender doesn't necessarily mean that the person was actually convicted of a sexual crime with a minor. I mean, if you get caught urinating in public, you're forced to register as a sex offender.

And really, if you've got kids on xbox live, chances are they're going to be trolled with homoerotic remarks regardless, by people who aren't sexual deviants or registered sex offenders, just douchebags who think it's funny.

Personally, I'm against this. Then again, I'm against pretty much all the "but think of the children" type laws, since I hate kids.

Yes, yes, someone already mentioned the whole urinating in public thing and I agreed that was BS. I also went on to agree that it isn't right to punish someone before they've committed a crime and as such banning them before they've been reported or something isn't very fair.

Have you ever been in a cockpit before, or ever been in a Turkish prison? Have you ever seen a grown man naked?

THAAAAAAAAANK YOU! I don't feel so old now.

 

[VoidWanderer]

Also, why only sex offenders? What about murderers?

Murderers don't typically talk about their penises to 12 year olds.

Are you really saying that murder is better than talking about a penis? Man, that's pretty fucked up but it explains why politicians get away with persecuting sex offenders.

With Murder the victim no longer suffers. With Sex Offences, it can completely destroy the personality, the person has to live with the memory of the event for the rest of their live. The person's sexual urges can be changed by that one act. Their entire perception of the world changes to something much more negative. There is also the thought "Did I provoke/deserve this?" While the answer is always 'It is not your fault', like survivor's guilt, it NEVER leaves.

So yes, Murder is better than Sexual Abuse in terms of crimes.

 

[Conza]

As of today, thousands of sex offenders will no longer be able to log onto online gaming platforms, thanks to a joint operation between New York State and some of the world's biggest video game companies. In a statement issued this morning, it's been revealed that the New York Attorney General's office has been working with Microsoft, Sony, Apple and other video game companies to ban registered sex offenders off of the those entities' network platforms.

New York law requires that convicted sex offenders surrender all e-mail addresses and internet screennames to the state, which then provides the information to websites. Those sites can sweep the matching usernames off their rolls, with the aim of creating a safer web environment for underage users. "Operation: Game Over" marks the first time that the law has been implemented with video games. From the press release:

As a result of Operation: Game Over, 3,580 accounts of New York state sex offenders have been purged - or their communication privileges suspended - from the gaming platforms owned by Microsoft, Apple, Blizzard Entertainment, Electronic Arts, Warner Bros. and Disney Interactive Media Group.

http://kotaku.com/5899463/new-york-state-just-banned-3500-online-gamers-who-are-all-sex-offenders

So this is pretty interesting. Can't say I'm surprised, though, I didn't see it coming certainly. Perhaps other states should follow? What do you think?

Yes, it sort of sounds good in theory, except, if you have a common screen name (lets use yours for example), and you, several other innocent people, and 1 sex offender are using it, if that name is banned because of that one offender, then all of the other innocents using it will also be banned. There's no reason to believe that suddenly heaps of innocents will necessarily be banned, but I'm sort of drawing a parrallel to the 'no flight' list in the US, where if you share a first and last name with a known terrorist, all people sharing that name will not be allowed to fly, albeit, in this case 'play online', and of course, you could change your screen name, but that would likely mean re-registering and probably starting your game from scratch again.

I think this is going to get ugly.

 

[Vegosiux]

There is no way that being molested is worse than not being alive at all. That's just societal programming talking.

wait what?

so theoretically, if you were rapist who then was raped while in prison,nearly beat to death, and was caught in a fire and was FUBAR due to burns, you'd rather live your life forever knowing all that, than to rather die?

please, go ask rape victims and others of serious trauma, they will probably tell you much different.[/quote]

Technically, getting rapped, nearly beat to death, then FUBAR'd because of second and third degree burns is a tad worse than getting "just" molested.

Then again, I never placed any particular value on the mere status of "being alive" so yeah. There are things where just "being alive" as opposed to "being dead" doesn't make much of a difference.

 

[chadachada123]

Why the fuck should an adult be banned from playing adult games on Xbox live, etc?

In addition, once your sentence is over, your sentence SHOULD BE OVER. Sex offender registries don't help anyone and essentially put ex-cons in a corner. They're completely unable to be reintegrated into society if they a) can't ever get a decent job again and b) can't even play some damn video games online.

It's horseshit. I'd much prefer a life sentence to this punishment. At least a life sentence doesn't have a false sense of hope, and won't expect me to be an upstanding gentleman once out of prison while simultaneously being continually assraped by the system and society.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

There is no way that being molested is worse than not being alive at all. That's just societal programming talking.

wait what?

so theoretically, if you were rapist who then was raped while in prison,nearly beat to death, and was caught in a fire and was FUBAR due to burns, you'd rather live your life forever knowing all that, than to rather die?

please, go ask rape victims and others of serious trauma, they will probably tell you much different.

Technically, getting rapped, nearly beat to death, then FUBAR'd because of second and third degree burns is a tad worse than getting "just" molested.

Then again, I never placed any particular value on the mere status of "being alive" so yeah. There are things where just "being alive" as opposed to "being dead" doesn't make much of a difference.[/quote]

you kinda messed up that quote somehow..but anyways, yes, much worse, i was just getting my point across there. living with horrible mental anguish is much worse to some people than death. that's why throughout history, so many times people have CHOSEN death over such circumstances (slavery/rape/etc...)

 

[Necrofudge]

Nobody likes sex offenders, but does anyone else see this as wrong?

The fact that they're a CONVICTED sex offender means that they served their time and their lives are already probably ruined.

This law does nothing other than creating more punishments for a group of people that probably won't commit the same crime again anyway.

Still, I guess the companies can ban whoever they want and this is great publicity for both the businesses and the politicians.

 

[artanis_neravar]

Also, why only sex offenders? What about murderers?

Murderers don't typically talk about their penises to 12 year olds.

Well I now see that you either mentioned or addressed most of my points, so these are no longer directed at you, but i took the time to research what gets someone on the Sex Offenders registry in New York so I fell like keeping what I type. So feel free to ignore it, or address it if you really want.


And neither do all sex offenders, anyone convicted of urinating in public is a sex offender, any one convicted of statutory, any one who paid a prostitute, anyone who knowingly aids a prostitute, anyone who was accused of rape while both parties were intoxicated, are all sex offenders. Not everyone on that list truly deserves it.

EDIT: I messed up the quote I apologize

 

[artanis_neravar]

Nobody likes sex offenders, but does anyone else see this as wrong?

The fact that they're a CONVICTED sex offender means that they served their time and their lives are already probably ruined.

This law does nothing other than creating more punishments for a group of people that probably won't commit the same crime again anyway.

Still, I guess the companies can ban whoever they want and this is great publicity for both the businesses and the politicians.

I can see making sure child molesters, or maybe even statutory rapists (assuming they were over 18 at the time [footnote]If a 14 yr old boy has sex with a 14 yr old girl it can still be considered statutory[/footnote] ) can never get jobs where they will be in constant contact with children, but people who were convicted of rape while both parties were drunk, someone guilty of zoophilia, or necrophilia, or indecent exposure while drunk shouldn't face the same treatment.

 

[Epona]

This is kinda weird. Why are they punishing people beyond their court sentence?

Also, why only sex offenders? What about murderers?

Because hating on sex offenders is good for politics. Don't see how these types of things are constitutional. We, as a society, see sex offenders as more dangerous than murderers.

I mean you murder someone in cold blood, at least the person murdered dies and doesn't have to live with the consequences.

A child has to deal with that every day...

Like, sorry... I didn't use to feel this way, but the only thing this society asks of pedophiles is just don't fuck a kid and don't look at someone else fucking a kid. There is hentai, there are legal alternatives in the U.S. to get your kink off too with out harming anyone. It's so fucking easy to not cross that very clear line, there is absolutely no excuse for it. Lack of sex isn't a reason, plenty of us go stretches with out sex and we don't resort to rape. Self-control, they are proving they don't have it.

Also hey, trade off is they get a lighter jail sentence then murders.

There is no way that being molested is worse than not being alive at all. That's just societal programming talking.

It's relative... I mean, from a non-religious point of view, you die thats it. You're not worried about how you died, or angry about the person that just killed you, you're just did. Yeah, you're seperated from everything you loved but you're not able to dwell on it.

Misery and sadness and the rest of the emotions are only felt while we're alive... I mean yeah, sure, you can be molested and still go on to great things but that shit has to haunt you every single day.

No, it doesn't. I am not haunted every day and until topics like this come up, I never even think about it. Think I would rather be dead?

 

[Epona]

This is kinda weird. Why are they punishing people beyond their court sentence?

Also, why only sex offenders? What about murderers?

Because hating on sex offenders is good for politics. Don't see how these types of things are constitutional. We, as a society, see sex offenders as more dangerous than murderers.

I mean you murder someone in cold blood, at least the person murdered dies and doesn't have to live with the consequences.

A child has to deal with that every day...

Like, sorry... I didn't use to feel this way, but the only thing this society asks of pedophiles is just don't fuck a kid and don't look at someone else fucking a kid. There is hentai, there are legal alternatives in the U.S. to get your kink off too with out harming anyone. It's so fucking easy to not cross that very clear line, there is absolutely no excuse for it. Lack of sex isn't a reason, plenty of us go stretches with out sex and we don't resort to rape. Self-control, they are proving they don't have it.

Also hey, trade off is they get a lighter jail sentence then murders.

There is no way that being molested is worse than not being alive at all. That's just societal programming talking.

wait what?

so theoretically, if you were rapist who then was raped while in prison,nearly beat to death, and was caught in a fire and was FUBAR due to burns, you'd rather live your life forever knowing all that, than to rather die?

please, go ask rape victims and others of serious trauma, they will probably tell you much different.

Wow, go to extremes much?

 

[Epona]

Also, why only sex offenders? What about murderers?

Murderers don't typically talk about their penises to 12 year olds.

Are you really saying that murder is better than talking about a penis? Man, that's pretty fucked up but it explains why politicians get away with persecuting sex offenders.

With Murder the victim no longer suffers. With Sex Offences, it can completely destroy the personality, the person has to live with the memory of the event for the rest of their live. The person's sexual urges can be changed by that one act. Their entire perception of the world changes to something much more negative. There is also the thought "Did I provoke/deserve this?" While the answer is always 'It is not your fault', like survivor's guilt, it NEVER leaves.

So yes, Murder is better than Sexual Abuse in terms of crimes.

So are you saying that rapists should kill their victims, to spare them? Really?

 

[VoidWanderer]

Also, why only sex offenders? What about murderers?

Murderers don't typically talk about their penises to 12 year olds.

Are you really saying that murder is better than talking about a penis? Man, that's pretty fucked up but it explains why politicians get away with persecuting sex offenders.

With Murder the victim no longer suffers. With Sex Offences, it can completely destroy the personality, the person has to live with the memory of the event for the rest of their live. The person's sexual urges can be changed by that one act. Their entire perception of the world changes to something much more negative. There is also the thought "Did I provoke/deserve this?" While the answer is always 'It is not your fault', like survivor's guilt, it NEVER leaves.

So yes, Murder is better than Sexual Abuse in terms of crimes.

So are you saying that rapists should kill their victims, to spare them? Really?

Most rapists enjoy the feeling of power over their victims, believing they did the victim 'a favour'. They enjoy the rush of power whenever they see them. Killing the victim would negate that.

 

[Eri]

I can't believe anyone would actually try to argue rape is worse than murder, but they did.


*walks off*

 

[KeyMaster45]

Hey, maybe we should just put all the sex offenders on an island then?

We already did that. Then we filmed it and stuck it on TV where it became a national phenomenon loved by many and reviled most. We called it Jersey Shore.

 

[Epona]

Also, why only sex offenders? What about murderers?

Murderers don't typically talk about their penises to 12 year olds.

Are you really saying that murder is better than talking about a penis? Man, that's pretty fucked up but it explains why politicians get away with persecuting sex offenders.

With Murder the victim no longer suffers. With Sex Offences, it can completely destroy the personality, the person has to live with the memory of the event for the rest of their live. The person's sexual urges can be changed by that one act. Their entire perception of the world changes to something much more negative. There is also the thought "Did I provoke/deserve this?" While the answer is always 'It is not your fault', like survivor's guilt, it NEVER leaves.

So yes, Murder is better than Sexual Abuse in terms of crimes.

So are you saying that rapists should kill their victims, to spare them? Really?

Most rapists enjoy the feeling of power over their victims, believing they did the victim 'a favour'. They enjoy the rush of power whenever they see them. Killing the victim would negate that.

You think the victim would be better off dead then? Rape crisis centers should just start killing victims?

See, I don't think you really believe that rape/molestation is worse than murder.