Murders' of Goth have their sentences reduced, WTF!?

[mike1921]

What did that teach me? Don?t bother with the police, ever. Ive taken the law into my own hands every time Ive needed to from that day.

That is a horrible lession to learn

No it is not. Some cops are assholes. I think if the cops never do their jobs and you get pointed at by them for no justified reason you should start beating their asses with whatever you can and hope they don't have the time to draw their gun.

 

[TheDean]

they'll be out when they're 30? How old are they now?If they are kids, then, despite killing goths being terribe (and i don't get why people would target goths anyway)they are kids-- when they are 30 they are different people, they should be allowed to have a life.

They took away one life and ruined another under the justification of 'they looked different' people like that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near anyone else let alone the privilege to breathe.

I hate the "you look different" mindset, but that doesn't mean they should not be allowed to live. THat is unfair. No matter what they did.

THEY KILLED SOMEONE FOR NO GOOD REASON WHAT SO GOD DAMNED EVER Sorry to put this in caps and bold but jesus christ.

Going by your logic i could kill someone just to see what the hell its like and to put me away for life would be 'unfair' sorry but no.

WOAH! SLow down. I never even suggested that. I'm just saying you can't say they're not allowed to breathe. So they did a bad thing. That doesn't make thwm bad people. It also doens't mean we should remove them from socirty.
No, you can't go around killing people. But imagine this: someone really really annoys you. They make you life hell--you get angry, lash out and kill them. oh noes. now you have to spend the rest of your life in jail. Think about how miserable you would be. They should be put in gaol, but not forever.

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

this is why i beleive in death for murder... well purposeful murder anyway, not mansluaghter, although that still deserves punishment. I believe if you take away a person's, living, breathing, thinking person's, life then you should not be allowed to continue your life. this of course applies to murder in civilized settings, not war(in war everyone accepts the risks when they put on the uniform/pick up the gun)... but still, and also none of this waiting on death row shit, the murderer should be carted behind the courthouse and shot. but i digress, i think like this because if someone I know was murdered I would want those responsible dead.

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

they'll be out when they're 30? How old are they now?If they are kids, then, despite killing goths being terribe (and i don't get why people would target goths anyway)they are kids-- when they are 30 they are different people, they should be allowed to have a life.

They took away one life and ruined another under the justification of 'they looked different' people like that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near anyone else let alone the privilege to breathe.

I hate the "you look different" mindset, but that doesn't mean they should not be allowed to live. THat is unfair. No matter what they did.

THEY KILLED SOMEONE FOR NO GOOD REASON WHAT SO GOD DAMNED EVER Sorry to put this in caps and bold but jesus christ.

Going by your logic i could kill someone just to see what the hell its like and to put me away for life would be 'unfair' sorry but no.

WOAH! SLow down. I never even suggested that. I'm just saying you can't say they're not allowed to breathe. So they did a bad thing. That doesn't make thwm bad people. It also doens't mean we should remove them from socirty.
No, you can't go around killing people. But imagine this: someone really really annoys you. They make you life hell--you get angry, lash out and kill them. oh noes. now you have to spend the rest of your life in jail. Think about how miserable you would be. They should be put in gaol, but not forever.

yes that does make them bad people idiot, they killed someone, that makes them bad people, it wasn't even accidental, if it was accidental then they wouldn't be bad just stupid, but murder=bad... Idiot

 

[ianuam]

Disgusting,though the original crime wasn't surprising, despite how shocking it was if you live here. If you do live in the UK, you'll know that chavs will attack anyone who dresses alternatively and are generally cowardly in their attacks.

The sentence reduction is terrible, as well as letting these people out earlier, it doesn't portray a good example to others of their clique(doubtful that they even pay attention, but..). Also, we always hear about sentencing, but that's just immersing them in an environment of violence and criminality. Surely we need to tackle the violence inherent in chav culture.

 

[SerialSade]

This is pretty sad indeed.
I'm over in the U.S. and this happens sometimes around here too, but they don't publicize it much because my state is a rather wealthy one, and the parents pay to keep it from press. It's sad. Really sad, that poor woman was trying to protect the one she loved, and some drunk kids do this.
I say they should be locked up for the next few centuries. I never want to see their faces outside, I must say though, if they do get out I'll warn them.
Goth boots are heavy. They'll hurt a hell of a lot more than chav sneakers. They better keep an eye over their shoulders.

 

[The Wooster]

I'm disgusted, appalled, and full of rage. Further proof I got out at the right time.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Same here. It's a horrible place to live.

 

[Bored Tomatoe]

This is pretty fucking sickening, that those bastards get away with this kind of shit..........they should be shot in the face...........

Excuse my ignorance, but what is a chav?

 

[DarkLordofDevon]

Disgusting.

They may have to face several years of jail, but after that they can walk free. They may be marked men, but they will have a chance to live again. The victim won't.

Death is too good for them. Several years of slow painful torture would be more apt. Anyone who commits the greatest sin of murder deserves to feel an agony beyond any other. I swear, this country needs a serious change. When the people cry out for vigilantes, the justice system isn't working.

 

[Rachael Griffiths]

Before i begin let me preface this by saying that was well-said. however, criminals have rights. They are still a part of our society. Everyone can do something wrong. Everyone can change. it doesn't take long for you to become an entirely different person. I'm not the same person i was when i was a baby with the goo-goo-gaa-gaa, and i'll be a different person when i'm like 90.
Don't forget i hate what they did, and i'd love to punch them in the face if i saw them; but you can't just say "you made a mistake, you get removed from society forever". That's not fair. Yes, it wasn't fair on the gril who died- but bad things happen--everyone dies, it's part of life. Ok so she shouldn't have died young perhaps, but what's done is done; there is no point lingering in the past.

In same ways I would agree with The Dean. However, when it has been widely reported that some of Sophie's attackers were openly laughing about the situation when questioned it is very difficult to find any argument in their favour.

Yes, people do make mistakes, some grave, but how can you find forgiveness anywhere when you find the consequences of your actions amusing? To be able to seek forgiveness you must, at the very least, feel some remorse for your actions. It would appear that the boys involved feel nothing even close.

The big question of course is where do you draw the line? What actions do you forgive and more importantly what criteria could you use to make that decision? I'd say that's an impossible question to answer.

 

[742]

how exactly does locking someone in a cage for twenty years solve anything? granted i think the fucks should burn probably a teensy bit more than the rest of you (see: old testament+hanibal lechter) but looking past the emotional part, how exactly does locking someone in a cage solve the problem? why not either rehabilitate them and make them understand that what they did was wrong, or kill them and get them out of the way so the rest of us dont need to worry about it?

 

[TheDean]

Before i begin let me preface this by saying that was well-said. however, criminals have rights. They are still a part of our society. Everyone can do something wrong. Everyone can change. it doesn't take long for you to become an entirely different person. I'm not the same person i was when i was a baby with the goo-goo-gaa-gaa, and i'll be a different person when i'm like 90.
Don't forget i hate what they did, and i'd love to punch them in the face if i saw them; but you can't just say "you made a mistake, you get removed from society forever". That's not fair. Yes, it wasn't fair on the gril who died- but bad things happen--everyone dies, it's part of life. Ok so she shouldn't have died young perhaps, but what's done is done; there is no point lingering in the past.

In same ways I would agree with The Dean. However, when it has been widely reported that some of Sophie's attackers were openly laughing about the situation when questioned it is very difficult to find any argument in their favour.

Yes, people do make mistakes, some grave, but how can you find forgiveness anywhere when you find the consequences of your actions amusing? To be able to seek forgiveness you must, at the very least, feel some remorse for your actions. It would appear that the boys involved feel nothing even close.

The big question of course is where do you draw the line? What actions do you forgive and more importantly what criteria could you use to make that decision? I'd say that's an impossible question to answer.

Well, i did not know they wre laughing. That cahnges things alot. and es, they had better show remorse.
Where to draw the line? there is never a clear-cut place for line-drawing. As for forgiveness: they don't need our forgiveness. Who are we to forgive anyone? What gives us te right to forgive in the first place?

Ne'ertheless, i am glad to see someone at least partly agrees with something i've said.

 

[TheDean]

they'll be out when they're 30? How old are they now?If they are kids, then, despite killing goths being terribe (and i don't get why people would target goths anyway)they are kids-- when they are 30 they are different people, they should be allowed to have a life.

They took away one life and ruined another under the justification of 'they looked different' people like that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near anyone else let alone the privilege to breathe.

I hate the "you look different" mindset, but that doesn't mean they should not be allowed to live. THat is unfair. No matter what they did.

THEY KILLED SOMEONE FOR NO GOOD REASON WHAT SO GOD DAMNED EVER Sorry to put this in caps and bold but jesus christ.

Going by your logic i could kill someone just to see what the hell its like and to put me away for life would be 'unfair' sorry but no.

WOAH! SLow down. I never even suggested that. I'm just saying you can't say they're not allowed to breathe. So they did a bad thing. That doesn't make thwm bad people. It also doens't mean we should remove them from socirty.
No, you can't go around killing people. But imagine this: someone really really annoys you. They make you life hell--you get angry, lash out and kill them. oh noes. now you have to spend the rest of your life in jail. Think about how miserable you would be. They should be put in gaol, but not forever.

yes that does make them bad people idiot, they killed someone, that makes them bad people, it wasn't even accidental, if it was accidental then they wouldn't be bad just stupid, but murder=bad... Idiot

great. I love how you put forth your argument there. no wait--all you did was attack the arguer, not the argument. Logical phallacy if i'm not mistaken. well done. And no, it means they did a bad thing. they may not regret it now--but they will one day. and maybe they just are bad people, that's not for me to judge.

 

[742]

just as much right to forgive them as punish them, perhaps more.
but laughing as you kill someone, god damn thats making it hard to maintain the "love to all the cute furry things of the world, forgive everybody" outlook

i say trick them into bragging about it and laughing on camera, then show that to the family and friends of the deceased, give them lessons on how to torture someone, give them hazard suits like people who clean up crime scenes use, as its likely to get messy, and respirators, its probably not going to be smelling like roses, oh and give them tools cant forget those. have doctors on hand to make sure it lasts as long as possible and give advice on where nerves are and the like. and televise it. make sure people know that THATS what happens when you murder someone just because they look different...

thats my alternative to forgiveness. did i go a bit overboard for a second there?

 

[TheDean]

Before i begin let me preface this by saying that was well-said. however, criminals have rights. They are still a part of our society. Everyone can do something wrong. Everyone can change. it doesn't take long for you to become an entirely different person. I'm not the same person i was when i was a baby with the goo-goo-gaa-gaa, and i'll be a different person when i'm like 90.
Don't forget i hate what they did, and i'd love to punch them in the face if i saw them; but you can't just say "you made a mistake, you get removed from society forever". That's not fair. Yes, it wasn't fair on the gril who died- but bad things happen--everyone dies, it's part of life. Ok so she shouldn't have died young perhaps, but what's done is done; there is no point lingering in the past.

In same ways I would agree with The Dean. However, when it has been widely reported that some of Sophie's attackers were openly laughing about the situation when questioned it is very difficult to find any argument in their favour.

Yes, people do make mistakes, some grave, but how can you find forgiveness anywhere when you find the consequences of your actions amusing? To be able to seek forgiveness you must, at the very least, feel some remorse for your actions. It would appear that the boys involved feel nothing even close.

The big question of course is where do you draw the line? What actions do you forgive and more importantly what criteria could you use to make that decision? I'd say that's an impossible question to answer.

Well, i did not know they wre laughing. That cahnges things alot. and es, they had better show remorse.
Where to draw the line? there is never a clear-cut place for line-drawing. As for forgiveness: they don't need our forgiveness. Who are we to forgive anyone? What gives us te right to forgive in the first place?

Ne'ertheless, i am glad to see someone at least partly agrees with something i've said.

The fact that we are human gives us the right to forgive someone. Someone who laughs about someone they killed is undeserving of forgiveness, as it is a sign that they would do it again given the opportunity.

second part: indeed-of course.
First bit, no. That is why i don't like apologies, because i don't have thr right to forgive; no one does. We are not that important. really.

 

[mike1921]

i say trick them into bragging about it and laughing on camera, then show that to the family and friends of the deceased, give them lessons on how to torture someone, give them hazard suits like people who clean up crime scenes use, as its likely to get messy, and respirators, its probably not going to be smelling like roses, oh and give them tools cant forget those. have doctors on hand to make sure it lasts as long as possible and give advice on where nerves are and the like. and televise it. make sure people know that THATS what happens when you murder someone just because they look different...

thats my alternative to forgiveness. did i go a bit overboard for a second there?

No you did not.
If you really wanted them to feel pain though, give me two pistols that are weak enough where you can take 25 of whatever kind of bullet they use to the part of the chest protecting the heart without dieing and hype me up with some soul eater. Also, give me a fuckton of bullets.